arctic monkeys: number 1 in the midweek charts.

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Rename the single and say its by The Departure.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Good idea

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i found it streaming free on the bbc collective site http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/collective/singles

i'm not in to it, i must say

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

arctic monkey % of sales for under 21's = 95 % + ?

They are just a kiddie NME teen band

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

my work colleague, roughly my age, a little under, is mad into this song

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.savefile.com/projects.php?pid=970279

Matt Slack ((1903-70)), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Arctic Monkeys = Birdland of 2005

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Did Birdland have a number one in the midweeks? Will Arctic Monkeys write a begging letter to the NME when their career goes down the swanee?

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Two things going for this band:

1. The bassist's constantly popped collar
2. The cute lead vocalist/guitarist

Music-wise? Let's just say high school bands shouldn't sell this well.

Steev (Steev), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

the libertines did this much much much better three years ago

Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

snd that's the scary thing.. especially when the libertines aren't that great anyway.

maybe it's time for me to flog that arctic monkey promo for their last single that i was sent.

jellybean (jellybean), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

If the Arctic Monkeys get to no 1 does that mean we should throw away the history books? Will volumes of the future simply read;

"The Arctic Monkeys got to number one."

Leaving everything else in the position of mere footnotes?

jive session (elwisty), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

what i want to know is: does c-man like the arctic monkeys?

vacuum cleaner (electricsound), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

he's prob'ly in the erctic mernkeys.

Nöödle Vägue (noodle vague), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

are there any other artists that have gone big, or semi big thanks to buzz on the internet?

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 10:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Baz Luhrman - "The Sunscreen Song"

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

That Madonna "Wheels On The Bus Go Round And Round" thingy, that was linked from Popbitch a few months before it charted.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 10:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Cuban Boys

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 10:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Franz Ferdinand

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link

GRIME

oh sorry, you did specify big or semi-big...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 10:43 (eighteen years ago) link

but im serious guys. can you think of any? my friend is telling me no one has done it before the arctic monkeys and it annoys me that i cant tell him "no, you're WRONG".

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 10:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I kind of suspect there'a more to it than just "buzz on the internet".

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 10:53 (eighteen years ago) link

well that's how it started. nme didnt pick up on it until they were already pretty popular.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 10:56 (eighteen years ago) link

the arctic monkeys' record company has people on its payroll whose job it is to deliberately create a "buzz on the internet."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 10:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I was about to say, PH23_R 0NE "STREET TEAM".

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:01 (eighteen years ago) link

That doesn't actually make it any less of a buzz tho.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes it does because it is a FALSE BUZZ.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:02 (eighteen years ago) link

How does any buzz start?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:03 (eighteen years ago) link

the arctic monkeys' record company has people on its payroll whose job it is to deliberately create a "buzz on the internet."

how can i become one of these people?

(NOT for the arctic monkeys obv.)

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

walk away lex. be a nurse. or a firefighter. or a teacher. do something useful for your world.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:05 (eighteen years ago) link

well I dont know how that would work. I have lots of friends who are into that scene and they all say it was definitely a word of mouth thing and the band playing every indie club in the uk slowly building their rep. i mean, they played infront of thousands of people at glastonbury and that was before anyone talked about them in the media and im not sure if they were signed to domino then.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:05 (eighteen years ago) link

it was all planned. the media owed domino some favours.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:07 (eighteen years ago) link

If the "buzz" is whipped up by street teams, then it's not a "buzz", it's HYPE.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

There's that synonym for it too, yes.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:10 (eighteen years ago) link

how can i become one of these people?

Get a media degree, fail to get a job in the media, develop a pathological hatred for the world, and there you go.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:13 (eighteen years ago) link

There was a book out a couple of years ago, about how "buzz" is created, including use of "street teamers" on message boards, chat rooms etc. I forget the title/author. I was going to buy it, but I didn't, because reading it would have just made me feel powerless and angry.

I often wonder, I mean we must get a bit of it on here, but how much?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Dom just describe me. Except I never tried to get a job.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:18 (eighteen years ago) link


Kaisers = Space

-- Dom Passantino (juror...), October 18th, 2005.

Wow...yes...this explains why I hate them so much.


hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

pashmina: look at some of the posts in the other arctic monkeys thread. i suspect some of the posts might be from such individuals.

but, again, i first heard of the arctic monkeys in january so this was before they were signed to anything and thats when they started to get the buzz on the internet. so i dont think it's fair to say it's all about street teams and record companies etc. this is something that was started by the fans.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

i repeat: who do you think started the buzz on the internet? it wasn't fans because at that time they didn't have any.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I trust my judgements enough to not worry too much about marketing strategies. I hear the AMs; I like them, or I don't - why should the mechanics behind me hearing them and making that decision be allowed to affect that decision?

This kind of marketing is about accelerating processes more than creating them, anyway: if the Arctic Monkeys weren't the right product for their target market, the street teams wouldn't do so well.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

um, people who saw them play live obviously talked about them online. i used to post on the libertines message board and people were going ape shit over them 6 months ago. i suspect the same happened on other message boards for similar bands/music. that's how it started.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link

6 months ago...make that 10 months ago

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link

and wasn't zane low playing them on the radio 10/12 months back too. radio != internet (as yet)

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:33 (eighteen years ago) link

he musth have. he picks up on anything as soon as a small uk indie band gets talked about on the internet or is mentioned in the press.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:39 (eighteen years ago) link

why dont you all just shutup

terry, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 11:50 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, people should stop talking about them.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

wasn't it useful that the internet buzz over the arctic monkeys started on the libertines message board?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 12:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I dont know if started there....but of course it was useful

so what?

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Just how powerful is an indie label's street team that it can sell out tours before the band have had a record out - months, in fact, before the label has actually signed them? Hype only works when publicity outstrips actual access to material but anyone with P2P can have 20+ Arctic Monkeys songs in minutes because they made them all freely available on their website. If there's a buzz it's just because people like the songs. How on earth can this be phony hype?

Dorian Lynskey, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

article from the Times on line - sorry if it's already been posted somewhere.
***

Culture



The Sunday Times February 26, 2006


Pop: Monkey magic?
It works wonders for new bands, but does the MySpace effect have pitfalls for fans and artists, asks Dan Cairns


The term “niche product” is traditionally used to describe a commercially available item, event or attraction that is likely to appeal to only a limited number of people. Indeed, one definition of “niche” is “relating to or aimed at a small, specialised group or market”. You might, therefore, conclude that it is perverse to describe the debut CD from the Sheffield band Arctic Monkeys — which last month became Britain’s fastest-selling album of all time — as a niche product.
In a sense, you’d be right. After all, Whatever People Say I Am, That’s What I’m Not is approaching sales of 1m copies in this country. Crucially, the initial impetus for that record-breaking opening week came from the internet, as tens of thousands of web-fingered young fans flocked to sites such as MySpace and shared information, gossip and tip-offs about the group. So that rules “small” out. It’s when you subject “specialised” to scrutiny, though, that the whole notion of the new technoculture, and its possible impact on pop music — how it’s discovered, made, distributed, consumed — becomes both more complex and more intriguing.



A vivid illustration of this was provided nine days ago at Brixton Academy, in London, when the annual NME awards tour reached its climax. The headliners were the Newcastle band Maxïmo Park. Beneath them on the bill were three groups, including the Arctic Monkeys. Traditionally, all the acts congregate on stage during the final song by the headline band. On this occasion, however, members of the two bands that preceded the Yorkshire newcomers joined them for a last hurrah, after which a sizeable proportion of the audience left the venue. Maxïmo Park may have delivered a barnstorming set, but they did so after being abandoned by the support acts.

The incident put under the microscope an aspect of the brave new netspace order of things that gets buried in the avalanche of eye-popping statistics. The brand loyalty, the shared sense of “specialisation”, that impelled so many to buy Whatever People Say I Am … also, arguably, led them to reject anything that falls outside that specialised choice — in this instance, Maxïmo Park.

That’s fine for now. But it’s a febrile state of affairs, too. To borrow from the old Elvis marketing line, 50m users can’t be wrong. That figure is the latest worldwide estimate of registered members of MySpace (part of The Sunday Times’s parent company, News Corporation, since it bought the site’s owners, Intermix, last year). In America, it receives more hits than Google. And in this country — where MySpace is set to launch a UK-specific site in the spring, with a particular emphasis on music content — community websites are the dominant online destinations.

Small wonder, then, that the music business is eyeing these sites with such interest — and such fear. Where the pieces land is a question currently obsessing those who work in the old modes of mass-culture provision. And who emerges as the driving force(s) in the new equation — provider, creator, consumer — could transform the landscape in which music is made, marketed and purchased.

Right now, most of the talk is about the empowerment of the artist and the fan at the expense of the manufacturer and the retailer. Certainly, the two former groups appear to hold the whip hand as never before. The ease with which, as a music consumer, you can register with such sites (and don’t be put off if you’re at the less net-savvy end of the spectrum; it’s a doddle) means you’re just a few clicks away from becoming a well-informed voice in the forging of new musical tastes. And if you’re in a band, posting new songs, details of forthcoming gigs and evidence to surfing A&R men of the size of your online fan base opens music-biz doors that once might have been slammed in your face.

If, however, you are a high-street retailer, or a music-industry executive with huge overheads, the current thinking is that you should be afraid, very afraid. If the wilder dreams of techno-cultural forecasters were to materialise — if, for instance, bands were to make viable the model of selling their product directly and cheaply to fans — where does a big label with 40,000 employees go other than down the pan? Yet if a new generation is riding a 24-hour electronic loop that will make them both a powerful engine of taste-making and a formidable commercial resource, might there not also be some downsides to this cyber-scenario? Bombarded with choice, informed to the point of instant expertise, how do you react? In an ideal world, you advance serenely towards the Proceed with Purchase button. What, though, if such choice, far from locking down your certainties, instead makes them more malleable? As far as pop music goes, it’s here, I think, where the battleground lies.

Let’s return to the Arctic Monkeys, and the three key participant groups with a role in their success. First, the fans. A sense of community and ownership draws them to social-network sites and into purchasing the album. Said album sells 1m copies. What happens to that sense of community and ownership then? In any case, aren’t the Monkeys old hat now — what about that new act everyone’s buzzing about online? Second, the band itself. Remember when everyone was talking about Franz Ferdinand? The circus has since moved on. Could that hype, and those record sales, be fashioning a mighty big trap for the Sheffield band? Lastly, the music business, old and new. You have the resources to adapt to new formats, invest in changing technology and exploit fresh revenue streams. Cyberspace is delivering priceless marketing profiles to your inbox.

Back, finally, to “niche product”. Once a term that implied a modest commercial return, it could turn out to be music’s key mantra for the net age. You know what you like, and where to find it. We know what you like, too, and we’ve learnt how to sell it to you. The niche becomes a capricious temporary address, a staging post to the next specialisation. There’s one step forward: fans have more power. But the collective fickle finger of fate hovers restlessly over the mouse button — and over the bands. Now that’s scary.





ratty, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Rubbish!

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 08:14 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
they're finished aren't they?

a member quits and the new single isn't NME single of the week!

there's a very quick turnover in your modern pop game.

pisces (piscesx), Monday, 17 July 2006 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

lol at people talking about Test Icicles as if they were gonna be big upthread.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 16:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Weren't they big upthread?

Mark G, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Upthread Ranking

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link

With the exception of Goldie Lookin' Chain, Test Icicles are the worst band currently releasing records.
-- Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:13 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

Ah, for the innocence of days before New Young Pony Club

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link

lol at me not liking them very much upthread.

pisces, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link

lightspeed champion, though - he's rather good.

CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link

monkeys are the most visible of the current glut of northern uncle toms. enough already with the meat pie rock n roll.

s.rose, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link


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