ILM is kinda sucking these days (boring and meta ignore not safe for work)

Is the not-using-a-question-mark-when-asking-a-question thing an Internet Hardman Behavior?

or just laziness

Would you prefer...................excess punctuation?????

(Yes, I really have nothing better to do that I'm up to doing at the moment.)

i think people do it in imitation of tone of voice?

or do you have an example in mind

Yeah, that!

Scott's earlier-today angst is funny. Taking Foghat more seriously is one of the best things that ever happened to ILM...

yeah ur right aero, the reason ilm sucks is the definitely lack of precious civility and not at all the guy apparently saying that there's too much expertise being put in front of him on a silver platter to contribute and that lower standards would be more inclusive

i'm not a hardman i'm a bitterly fed-up man

i am an unattractive man i believe my liver is diseased

notes from drownedinsound

how the fuck do you know about drownedinsound

he's had expertise put in front of him

Rtc why are you so mad?

I guess there's less snark for the sake of snark these days than in the 2008/9 I will cut your face years but who gives a shit really.

why cant we get some sort of external great firewall to prevent auslanders accessing nationally sensitive material like drownedinsound

higher standard = youtube on a silver platter

when a pro posts a youtube, the critical assessment of said youtube is impprinted. if you can't sense the evanescent exegesis of the professional youtube post, you need to gtfo

drownedinsound is the only site i hear about more irl than online

Rtc why are you so mad?

― mh (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 January 2013 23:53 (Yesterday) Bookmark

idk bruh i guess i have to shamefully admit i like music and talking about it and stuff? "it seems like unless you're getting paid to write about hip hop then there's little point in your attempting to take part in the rolling molly thread or whatever it's called" is just an abysmally feeble attitude imo, what more can i say

voila:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60-BN9KMc_E

that's expert youtubeship right there. don't try that at home. it could get ugly.

I like talking about music too

scott, I must admit that the historical context summarized within the imprinted exegesis of your single youtube post strengthened your overall argument for the importance of light in Ironhorse's lyrics. expert indeed.

Drownedinsound had me for a while but it's impossible to not grow mortally sick of it

is that whineys site

lol

Following on from something that someone posted somewhere upthread: I think people can take the quality of writing on ILM for granted, maybe because it's a casual place, but a quick glance at somewhere like DiS will show that concepts like "going down the shitter" are relative in the extreme.

ilx's tone of discussion has shifted (in part w/ the increasing er professionalisation of a bunch of ppl on the board) so there's a lot more emphasis on keeping up with things and less on exegesis.

ILM always has never ceased to be a place on which to post as to whether you liked what you were just listening to. Not even answering why, though that helps. And then people might keep on your toes but surely that's the best bit?

If anything ILM is better because of polls (no stay with me on this), how the right poll one can help to put a lot of history together neatly. It was great listening to bobbins over Xmas after not paying much attention for a few years. I feel I can get to really good bits of things I only pay attention to part of the time quickly.

the state of the union is strong imo

If anything ILM is better because of polls (no stay with me on this),

man you think you know a guy and then he stabs you in the back

all i know is:

You have posted 58,187 messages

You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* ILM way! And that's how you get Capone. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that? I'm offering you a deal. Do you want this deal?

Everyone mostly otm. I lurked ILM for years before I ever posted, and when it was, it wasn't often before I became a regular on ILE and the other boards and started only glancing at ILM.

The best parts of ILM were the deep-digs into musical influence and contextualizing music in its present and its influence.

The sniping and sarcasm kept it from being cuddlestein livejournal. Maybe the regulars don't post personal accounts of music as much because we have outlets for relating personal experience detached from music.

My tastes aren't making me pick up as wide of a selection these days, maybe because I don't feel as enthusiastic about pop music. It doesn't mean I don't listen to pop radio or loop up a bunch of youtube stuff, but I'm confident in where it is and don't need that context. Kind of turns me off to read about it, actually.

I know I've clowned a few people for Tuomas-style "I don't know who that is" statements, but more for the fact that you can find out /who/ someone is really easily in 2013, and then you can come to ILM or wherever for /why/ they are worth listening to or how they relate culturally. I can't go to wikipedia, see that Artist A is influence by Artist B (which I do know) and know what they're like, but I can come to ILM still and trust that I can say "Hey, I don't know much about A, I'm a fan of B, where do I start?" and feel like I'd still get some feedback. Well, if anyone's paying attention.

I should really just listen to whatever scott says. Life would probably be better.

hey, what's up ilm is pretty cool every1 should just <3 one another peace love the gap

I am hoping beyond hope that I'm not Iago's bad and hated poster

i feel like the ORIGINAL ILX ETHOS is kind of dissipated by the time the term 'poptimism' gets coined, i don't know: the difference between 'this petey pablo single sounds like disco inferno's early EPs' and 'this taylor swift album sounds like a magic unicorn that shits rainbows'

ilx's tone of discussion has shifted (in part w/ the increasing er professionalisation of a bunch of ppl on the board) so there's a lot more emphasis on keeping up with things and less on exegesis. and 'keeping up with things' includes a lot of insider baseball talk. -- it seems like unless you're getting paid to write about hip hop then there's little point in your attempting to take part in the rolling molly thread or whatever it's called.

― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Friday, January 25, 2013 7:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

― the late great, Friday, January 25, 2013 7:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so so otm

― the late great, Friday, January 25, 2013 7:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

god, so otm it hurts.

I don't feel like ilm has changed THAT much in twelve years but maybe it's just that I haven't changed that much.

as a general meta point, of course ilm has changed, of course it changes and continues to change. this attitude that some people have like "people said it was shit 5 years ago and look at us now, still postin'!" is some "best of all possible worlds" nonsense. if you think that then why even bother posting on a meta thread?

relevant xpost!

too much expertise being put in front of him

I am generally a big fan of rtc's contributions but it's precisely this attitude that bothers me about ILM at the moment. the sanctity of subjectivity used to be a big deal here and it isn't anymore.

As a place to talk records it has remained the same. And ok there are other parts of ILM as it might have been conceived that have faded but essentially the basic thing has remained with ways to deliver that discussion changing at times (via the dreaded by some polls, say). xp

As a place to talk records it has remained the same.

yes it still has buttons and boxes you type in.

we still communicate using symbols that we call "letters".

any analysis beyond that isn't even worth expending precious letters on.

Boxes to type in is enough though. it basically comes down to that.

letters form words and we have other symbols to punctuate them like commas to mirror breathing and pauses when we talk.

anyway you can flip or deflate "too much expertise" to say hey there are people who care about what they are talking about. Maybe too much at times but isn't that a positive.

there's not much point discussing this when your pov seems to be that the place would always be the same regardless of anything or anyone posting in it.

what an endorsement

ILM as a place to discuss a real actual range of musics with 'popular' at its centre (the key thing) hasn't changed so you get posters who like lots and are open to liking lots of other things too. you simultaneously see people who like and know a thing in detail and others who want to find out more and post er somewhat more naively perhaps but I don't see lots of shutting out. Don't get how they're cutting subjectivity?

Couple of other msg boards I've seen over the years don't have anything like ILM has, as in lots of experts who congregate on one thing (bcz the board was designed for that).

I am generally a big fan of rtc's contributions but it's precisely this attitude that bothers me about ILM at the moment. the sanctity of subjectivity used to be a big deal here and it isn't anymore.

I think this is conflating "expertise" (which was used somewhat tongue in cheek) with enforced opinions.

If anything is forbidding about the goon threads (apart from them generally taking forever to load) it's not consensus but the disagreements: if some dude and whiney and deej and rev and j0rdan and etc. all agreed with one another about what is hot and what is not then it'd be a lot easier for a less-informed listener to get up to speed by following along! I suspect it's the fact that posters may feel like they're wading into a minefield where at any moment they're gonna get caught in the cross-fire between the thoroughly conflicting opinions of "experts" that makes this harder.