ILM is kinda sucking these days (boring and meta ignore not safe for work)

i don't really know if it's sarcastic or not either tbh

rolling rock/indie/alt/experimental/pop-but-weird stuff 2013
Rolling Indie thread 2013

and i'm sure plenty more for individual artists

not bad for a genre that is totally non-descriptive and means nothing

can't see how you can say ILM's dropped off when Neon Neon: Collab. between Boom Bip and Gruff Rhys ft. Fat Lip, Spank Rock, The Magic Numbers and more is riding high on SNA

tbh i'm comfy with not having a new "OHMYGOD I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU PEOPLE LISTEN TO (C)RAP MUSIC HAVEN'T YOU EVER HEARD OF THE ARCADE FIRE???" kid every month

We could do with a couple of really committed bratty American EDM Bassnectar-rocks-have-you-seen-Molly types.

ilm outreach program

would always be good to have new blood but i think we're reaching the point in time where college-age kids who would once have been interested in ilm have grown up w/ social networking sites instead of internet message boards so this is kind of a foreign concept now

social networking sites don't necessarily play the same role - like you're not interacting w/ strangers

would always be good to have new blood but i think we're reaching the point in time where college-age kids who would once have been interested in ilm have grown up w/ social networking sites instead of internet message boards so this is kind of a foreign concept now

really doubt anyone new would get very far with the competitive edge around the place.

if only we could go back to the gentle days of strongo & and what

pretty sure ilx is way friendlier on the whole than most message boards

stfu

this forum is incredibly useful because its archive is so deep, everyone w/ actual complaints since this thread got bumped (xcept local g.) is a really shitty poster

indie rock

― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Friday, January 25, 2013 10:50 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dunno if this is sarcastic or not but there's definitely been a huge shift away from indie and towards mainstream pop and dance music in the 5-6 years i've been on ILM

― tity boi historian (ciderpress), Friday, 25 January 2013 15:58 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the "indie" tag's become such a bete noire on this board over the years that i've automatically started associating it with bad hipster music, or bland guitar rock, when i'm sure that's not what the thread is about at all, but i still refrain from clicking on those threads for fear they'll be about that, or they'll be full of Lex-a-likes complaining about "indie", or whatever.

there are several who REALLY make me want to start an @ILXTXT twitter account.

― Blue Collar Retail Assistant (Dwight Yorke), Friday, January 25, 2013 1:37 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

didn't you come to this forum because people were making fun of some listicle you wrote

it's kinda weird bc i think i love ilx + ilm these days more than i ever had.

Sick burn, but no.

That post doesn't mean I don't enjoy ILX btw.

yeah i dont actually have complaints really, im just meta-rambling which is a waste of time so i'll stop

go home and get yer fuckin listicle

someone started a rather interesting vaporwave thread the other day and there were people making fun of him / her because of b links: not cool. the hipster thread has a vice article mocking young people who are doing internet eh poetry? kind of hipsterrunoff-like and once I read it it seemed kind of cool. ilxor is awesome reading but not a fun place to post your naive non Ph.D thoughts, it's too hostile. needs more noise. and lex fighting, love when he gets angry.

those rolling indie threads are mostly about bands doing old school indie and indie pop rather than mainstream NME or Pitchfork-style indie rock

yo wolves, i wrote the VICE piece you mentioned, holla at ya boi

I should start by saying I still generally get good value out of ILX/ILM and there are loads of great people here.

But with ILM I basically feel everything gets sucked into the middle a bit and there isn't as much depth around the genre-specific stuff anymore, plus reviving old threads is far less likely to start a discussion. Meanwhile rolling current dance threads (obv my personal interest) need a fairly big thing to get people talking to each other and not just posting links.

I feel like at one point you had enough people posting regularly that any single post would usually get a response, there's also sometimes a sense of who shouts the loudest and it's a bit less conversational.

Maybe it's dance threads in particular that are dwindling, that'd be where I'd notice.

i'm not so into dance music so forgive my ignorance but it seems like dance music would be particularly difficult to have long conversations about. "this is really great to dance to" "i agree"?

those rolling indie threads are mostly about bands doing old school indie and indie pop rather than mainstream NME or Pitchfork-style indie rock

― a la recherche du tempbans perdu (NickB), Friday, 25 January 2013 16:39 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what kind of stuff do you mean?

xp it's just bloody computer music

i listen to tons of "dance" music (but rarely dance) and the questions abt quality and interest almost always revolve around production techniques and construction rather than danceability.

production techniques don't really interest me at all personally, so i guess i haven't noticed their absence

dwight: thanks for the piece because I didn't know it was a 'thing', it's just what you do with your internet addict friends (?) but it's nice you can become famous for it now. I can't read facebook comments so I don't know what the people said but the article had that experienced-condescending-bitter tone directed at stupid young people, we know what it feels like and in the context of this thread that attitude won't attract new posters and in the end ilm gets stuck with rolling indie vs. rolling pop vs. R&B for the next few decades.

When I first came to ILM (IDK, 2004?), it felt like, for better or worse, a kind of inspired insurgency. Poptimism was a mission, and there was a fervor to the whole thing. ILM eventually won its coup, and since then it has been faced with the far more mundane and undesirable task of governing.

haha

i don't even know what 'poptimism' refers to really. the critical acceptance and engagement with mainstream pop music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOg4PTa0oIY

what kind of stuff do you mean?

well my perception is that it's more likely for people to be talking about bands like veronica falls or stuff on slumberland etc rather than i dunno, the vaccines or the maccabees or the new klaxons album or whatever

ah cool. i'm not that fussed about veronica falls type stuff. sometimes i wonder what it is i'm actually interested in, but it doesn't really fit into a rolling thread.

oh it's not restricted just to bands that sound like that, there's all sorts really

i think ILM has been pretty good for the last couple years IMO

but i never had any thoughts like this about how it was some important quest, just killing time bullshitting about music and stuff

When I first came to ILM (IDK, 2004?), it felt like, for better or worse, a kind of inspired insurgency. Poptimism was a mission, and there was a fervor to the whole thing. ILM eventually won its coup, and since then it has been faced with the far more mundane and undesirable task of governing.

― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Friday, January 25, 2013 10:56 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but it keeps me aware of pop stuff like miguel that i never would have listened to otherwise

When I first came to ILM (IDK, 2004?), it felt like, for better or worse, a kind of inspired insurgency. Poptimism was a mission, and there was a fervor to the whole thing. ILM eventually won its coup, and since then it has been faced with the far more mundane and undesirable task of governing.

― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Friday, January 25, 2013 11:56 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark

plus pop music betrayed the cause by deciding to mostly suck assholes for the last *checks watch* 6 years

lol

but it keeps me aware of pop stuff like miguel that i never would have listened to otherwise

― mh (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 25, 2013 12:30 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah well I heard about Miguel on NPR (from two ilxors), so meh!

i'm sympathetic to any theory of the case that blames poptimism for theoretical stagnation but i can't imagine 50 polls about bob dylan would be any better

i feel like people talk about dadmusic just as much as they did in the pop evangelism days, if not more. for example i would never have expected the degree of enthusiasm that people showed for the paul simon poll

doesn't seem like there's much at stake in any of the dance thread discussions these days. bring back pipecock ;)

is there a rolling thread to post about music that doesn't fit into any of the rolling threads

but it keeps me aware of pop stuff like miguel that i never would have listened to otherwise

― mh (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 25, 2013 12:30 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah well I heard about Miguel on NPR (from two ilxors), so meh!

― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Friday, January 25, 2013 11:34 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok thanks

the era that is now being looked back at fondly in itself was considered a decline for ILM when it was actually happening, there's always some nostalgia for some half remembered "golden age" when things were so great, but when it was actually happening it was viewed as not as good as another fictional golden age.

looking at the early posts on any thread that's like 8+ years old is a great reality check.

old ilx was shit

what's the average age of ilxors that primarily hear music through clubbing/dancing/etc? i feel totally alienated from that segment of ilx.

ILM needs more drone music imo

skot and wmc are talking about me btw but thats fine. I prefer to know my enemies so if annyone has a problem with me then post away the reasons I do not mind at all.