ILM's Top 77 Tracks of 2012

i get pretty enraged by new uk dance subgenres, too. jackin house felt like the last straw

the naming can become specialist identity flagging (dick-waving in metal imo) yes but it's weird to me to be all "stop talking about this" when what people are talking about is the context around the names, that's the interesting part of it. i mean what else is there, making big dumb stupid lists and leaving out all discussion of context because it's too "academic"? uhhh xp

Dickwave.

lol*

*from the grave

and what it sort of actually looks like is "people aren't paying attention to me so i'll tell them their discussion is tedious" which you know xp

IMO the best track of today was:
73. JAVIERA MENA "Luz de Piedra de Luna"

Also really dug Starships. Hope the Minaj track I voted for places...

and what it sort of actually looks like is "people aren't paying attention to me so i'll tell them their discussion is tedious" which you know xp

Why bust my balls? All I said was "House and dance rivals only metal for having the most inane subgenres" and then posted a hangman ascii to be funny. Discuss away!

I can tell the differences in some instances, actually, but the fact that every variation of electronic and/or dance music needs its own name and that people will argue about whether or not something fits squarely into a specific category drives me bonkers.

― Johnny Fever

I do this w/r/t metal subgenres so I have to allow the electronic/dance fans the same. Doesn't mean I care, but it doesn't bother me cause I could say the same kinda shit, like "If you don't get the difference between sludge doom and funeral doom then you just aren't paying attention, maaaan!"

when i first saw mention of "jackin house" i was like, http://www.the-mainboard.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/facepalm.gif "what will they come up with next?!"

hahahaha

i hope "stupid hoe" does well, it was the first big musical ~moment~ of the year for me

gr8 poll so far, everybody

yeah ive enjoyed this list of songs so far even if theres nothing truly awesome

ps xp The people who are fans of these things don't think they are inane, FWIW, and that's whats important not what some outsider who doesn't listen to the music thinks.

the naming can become specialist identity flagging (dick-waving in metal imo) yes but it's weird to me to be all "stop talking about this" when what people are talking about is the context around the names, that's the interesting part of it. i mean what else is there, making big dumb stupid lists and leaving out all discussion of context because it's too "academic"? uhhh xp

― Butt Trump tweet (Matt P), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:31 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I think there's a big difference between border-policing and being interested in how and why sub-genres are formed, really if you don't think jackin' is (or even could be) interesting as a thing in itself then I don't get why you'd find any instance of it interesting either. These tracks wouldn't exist in a vacuum.

I actually have a pretty severe interest in language etymologies and love music, so you'd think I'd be a great mark for such a discussion...but nope. lol

To me it seems equivalent to saying "oh I like this track but I don't think we should ever ever acknowledge the existence of the artist that made it, because, you know, people, they're all the same..."

But, like I've said about seven times already, go forth and discuss! You all seem to be having great time and I'm going to have some dinner.

I love this Javiera Mena song, a great discovery from this. Kinda reminds me of the newest Nite Jewel album (fingers crossed for a placing in one of the polls) but with a bit more sheen.

"oh I like this track but I don't think we should ever ever acknowledge the existence of the artist that made it, because, you know, people, they're all the same..."

I would never make that argument, so apparently I've been read completely wrong from the first time I even mentioned anything about this topic.

just skimmed this thread but anyway those images are really awesome to look at whoever did them :)

How can you possibly suggest Javiera Mena and Nite Jewel are similar!!! xp

I kept thinking you guys were talking about UGK

it's mostly just the name, like, did we run out of words for dance genres? afrobeats, too, although the thread title that introduced me to that supplanted most of my rage

"oh I like this track but I don't think we should ever ever acknowledge the existence of the artist that made it, because, you know, people, they're all the same..."

this is otm though???

jk... sort of

I think Tim took my original statement as a dismissal of the music itself and not the stupid practice of genre flagging, which is not the case, but it's probably why things got so accusatory so quickly.

enough

For real. I've already hung myself ffs.

isn't the javiera mena song from 2010?

that might have been mentioned, yes

ah sorry ty

How can you possibly suggest Javiera Mena and Nite Jewel are similar!!! xp

I feel like they're drawing from the same pool of slightly naff but amazingly fun 80's signifiers? I could probably draw a line linking the two with Lisa Lisa and Shannon right in the middle.

tim, 2 me this is more if someone was like, "oh my god have you heard this new FARTBLOP group Chic? they're amazing pioneers of a new genre called FARTBLORP" i'd be like "hmm idk sounds like disco to me... and why are you calling it fartblorp?"

also maybe this makes me a philistine but imo new dance genres should be created only every time we come up with new actual beats, not just bc some new producers are more prominently influenced by us r&b *shrugs*

Is there a context in which the Mena song could be construed as a 2012 song, or is it just an error?

year of impact (?) never heard it b4 today

ts: FARTBLOPcore vs FARTBLOPhouse

flophouse <- can u put in a good word & get 2013 uk dance craze named this plz i will be so grateful

I wanted to point out that the Javiera Mena song is from 2010

Happy FARTBLOP is better than BLOPstep IMO

the mena song was released as a single this year iirc

or at least that's what i assumed

Have heard very little of the thread so far (TBF I've always been more of an EOY albums man). Looking forward to hearing more of these but I only got to check out a handful this evening because, well, life happens. But cheers guys for making it happen!

The Luz de Piedra de Luna video is from 2012 too.

@boxedjoy I was making a poorly-executed joke...was going to finish with "brb going to hang myself" but chickened out.

That makes more sense.

tim, 2 me this is more if someone was like, "oh my god have you heard this new FARTBLOP group Chic? they're amazing pioneers of a new genre called FARTBLORP" i'd be like "hmm idk sounds like disco to me... and why are you calling it fartblorp?"

also maybe this makes me a philistine but imo new dance genres should be created only every time we come up with new actual beats, not just bc some new producers are more prominently influenced by us r&b *shrugs*

― flopson, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 1:00 AM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's not a choice we make though.

People are always acting like sub-genres are something imposed on this innocent amorphous music from the garden of eden by irritating nitpicking critics (if that were the case then they'd possibly have better names).

But jackin' is a thing that exists in the world, you would never ultimately have heard of "You Want Me" or "Snapbacks & Tattoos" without people investigating that thing because this music has had basically zero presence outside of its own scene. So it's not me being annoying, it's just an objective fact.

I don't care if individual ILMers choose to hear these tunes as just "house" (which anyway is a much better approach than pretending they're uk funky) but being personally offended that a community of listeners have come up with a way to organise how they listen to music seems unnecessary to me, and also is a good way to cut yourself up from hearing potentially great music.

it's mostly just the name, like, did we run out of words for dance genres? afrobeats, too, although the thread title that introduced me to that supplanted most of my rage

― flopson, Monday, January 21, 2013 7:50 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is so otm, can't believe adding an S to the name of something denotes a completely different genre. ditty "this is what the word 'funky' means now," gtfo.

"ditty" is my brave new subgenre of "ditto" btw

xp tim - yeah word i feel you, tbh i was mostly joking. i am personally offended by the choices of names lately, but you're right that that's not something even fans or prominent boosters of the genre have any influence or control over. i think my pov stems from rock scenes, where genres tend to be named retroactively & it's not seen as cool to flaunt the new name for your scene/approach, most rock musicians scoff at labels anyways especially those who are most influential in forming the scene ("music is music, maaaan") whereas in dance music it can be even like, a marketing thing, a way to differentiate stuff you & friends are producing & get ppl to check out what this new next thing is

that graphic's pretty cool, Rev!

http://www.thomson.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/infographic/interactive-music-map/index.html

so it occurs to me that "House" is a pretty weird genre term--there are different clusters of House that are VERY far from each other on that graphic; and it now occurs to me that I've basically assumed house was unproblematically linked to disco and ignored/misunderstood all other uses of the term....