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JF, this is a good conversation! And seriously, if you can't hear the difference between funky and jackin house, you need a rhythmic tune-up.

RIP JF, his dick fell off when they hung him

But at least he came like crazy just before.

lol

I can tell the differences in some instances, actually, but the fact that every variation of electronic and/or dance music needs its own name and that people will argue about whether or not something fits squarely into a specific category drives me bonkers.

definitely digging the genre discussion. more please.

it seems odd as fuck to be all line in the sand "no this has nothing to do with ukg"

I'm not doing that. Obviously the links are pretty strong. But it seems even odder than fuck for people on this thread, in the absence of all the actual connecting factors that make up the UKG ancestry (pirate radio sets, MCs etc.) to say "oh this jackin sounds the same as funky" rather than "oh this jackin sounds like Afrojack et. al." (or in 2008 "oh this funky sounds like some insipid wine bar vocal house shit" - which as it turns out is what people in fact were saying").

people will argue about whether or not something fits squarely into a specific category

no one's done this itt. and i like i said earlier, genrefication is actually a very important driving force in dance music, which is driven more by scenius than by individual auteurs. i'd say it's also very important to the way dance music evolves. genre logics have to reset themselves every few years to keep things from becoming stale.

JF, I'd normally be more sympathetic to your view. It's just this particular case. It doesn't really bother me that there are all these subtle genre distinctions though. If anything though, I find it amusing, not exasperating. Perplexing but amusing. But I also accept that if I were more immersed in dance music, the distinctions would presumably be much more meaningful, in general.

ha tim, tbh i was kind of exaggerating what you said in hopes that you'd elaborate further and it worked! (and i agree with the rest of your post)

doesnt JF rep for an area of music in which partisans argue about the differences between sadcore and slowcore

surely if you were really sad you wld choose to occupy a more liminal bit of genre space

I think if this was a case of border-policing then JF's suicide might be justified.

But there's a difference between, say, the question "is Grimes witch-house yes/no" and the question "do the terms "witch-house" and "chillwave" refer to different things".

The answer to the first question is contestable. The answer to the second question clearly is "yes", and while no-one is obliged to demonstrate that they understand the differences, railing against them is pointless.

Would've liked this better with the tracks listed first, then the comments

doesnt JF rep for an area of music in which partisans argue about the differences between sadcore and slowcore

― moët plaudit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva)

i think it's something like all sadcore is slowcore but not all slowcore is sadcore. for instance there is a lot of slowcore that isn't particularly sad, despite the glacial tempos.

funky blew my tiny little mind when i finally heard some mixes. the jackin tracks i've heard sound so drab and clunky in comparison, though i'm warming up to "you want me," it's more consummate than i'd thought. i guess comparison between the two is sort of unproductive, it's cloth-ed my ears i think because i love funky so much.

doesnt JF rep for an area of music in which partisans argue about the differences between sadcore and slowcore

You must have me confused with someone else.

I buy Rev's argument that some genrefication of sects within the larger dance genre makes sense in a way, but I still find it largely academic. He's right that there haven't been any instances of such in the thread—instead, just a discussion about what microgenres came out of or didn't come out of a previous one. It's the same kind of thing that metal people do which drives me up the wall (in addition to the music itself, more often than not).

Carry on. I've died already.

gr8 poll so far, everybody

what I would like is a really good infographic.....or even a flowchart: "Dance Music Since....."--yeah, there's the first problem. since disco? since swing? since jazz? what makes the most sense?

I saw a good one of those somewhere, let me see if I can find it.

ok, it was actually really easy to find. third result for "history of dance music"

http://www.thomson.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/infographic/interactive-music-map/index.html

Carry on. I've died already.

cool then i don't even have to get into the utility of metal subgenres

i get pretty enraged by new uk dance subgenres, too. jackin house felt like the last straw

the naming can become specialist identity flagging (dick-waving in metal imo) yes but it's weird to me to be all "stop talking about this" when what people are talking about is the context around the names, that's the interesting part of it. i mean what else is there, making big dumb stupid lists and leaving out all discussion of context because it's too "academic"? uhhh xp

Dickwave.

lol*

*from the grave

and what it sort of actually looks like is "people aren't paying attention to me so i'll tell them their discussion is tedious" which you know xp

IMO the best track of today was:
73. JAVIERA MENA "Luz de Piedra de Luna"

Also really dug Starships. Hope the Minaj track I voted for places...

and what it sort of actually looks like is "people aren't paying attention to me so i'll tell them their discussion is tedious" which you know xp

Why bust my balls? All I said was "House and dance rivals only metal for having the most inane subgenres" and then posted a hangman ascii to be funny. Discuss away!

I can tell the differences in some instances, actually, but the fact that every variation of electronic and/or dance music needs its own name and that people will argue about whether or not something fits squarely into a specific category drives me bonkers.

― Johnny Fever

I do this w/r/t metal subgenres so I have to allow the electronic/dance fans the same. Doesn't mean I care, but it doesn't bother me cause I could say the same kinda shit, like "If you don't get the difference between sludge doom and funeral doom then you just aren't paying attention, maaaan!"

when i first saw mention of "jackin house" i was like, http://www.the-mainboard.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/facepalm.gif "what will they come up with next?!"

hahahaha

i hope "stupid hoe" does well, it was the first big musical ~moment~ of the year for me

gr8 poll so far, everybody

yeah ive enjoyed this list of songs so far even if theres nothing truly awesome

ps xp The people who are fans of these things don't think they are inane, FWIW, and that's whats important not what some outsider who doesn't listen to the music thinks.

the naming can become specialist identity flagging (dick-waving in metal imo) yes but it's weird to me to be all "stop talking about this" when what people are talking about is the context around the names, that's the interesting part of it. i mean what else is there, making big dumb stupid lists and leaving out all discussion of context because it's too "academic"? uhhh xp

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Yeah I think there's a big difference between border-policing and being interested in how and why sub-genres are formed, really if you don't think jackin' is (or even could be) interesting as a thing in itself then I don't get why you'd find any instance of it interesting either. These tracks wouldn't exist in a vacuum.

I actually have a pretty severe interest in language etymologies and love music, so you'd think I'd be a great mark for such a discussion...but nope. lol

To me it seems equivalent to saying "oh I like this track but I don't think we should ever ever acknowledge the existence of the artist that made it, because, you know, people, they're all the same..."

But, like I've said about seven times already, go forth and discuss! You all seem to be having great time and I'm going to have some dinner.

I love this Javiera Mena song, a great discovery from this. Kinda reminds me of the newest Nite Jewel album (fingers crossed for a placing in one of the polls) but with a bit more sheen.

"oh I like this track but I don't think we should ever ever acknowledge the existence of the artist that made it, because, you know, people, they're all the same..."

I would never make that argument, so apparently I've been read completely wrong from the first time I even mentioned anything about this topic.

just skimmed this thread but anyway those images are really awesome to look at whoever did them :)

How can you possibly suggest Javiera Mena and Nite Jewel are similar!!! xp

I kept thinking you guys were talking about UGK

it's mostly just the name, like, did we run out of words for dance genres? afrobeats, too, although the thread title that introduced me to that supplanted most of my rage

"oh I like this track but I don't think we should ever ever acknowledge the existence of the artist that made it, because, you know, people, they're all the same..."

this is otm though???

jk... sort of

I think Tim took my original statement as a dismissal of the music itself and not the stupid practice of genre flagging, which is not the case, but it's probably why things got so accusatory so quickly.

enough

For real. I've already hung myself ffs.

isn't the javiera mena song from 2010?