ILM's Top 77 Tracks of 2012

lapaz toyota & luz de piedra de luna are both new to me & awesome, kudos everyone. not really made any effort w/ afrobeats stuff but i've enjoyed everything that's fallen into my lap. voted for beez because it's the track i've caught myself singing the most this year, & the two jackin tracks. warms my heart to think i live in times where a peculiar transatlantic monster like snapbacks&tattoos is possible. love same damn time also but voted for other future

"Yeah, I definitely notice the snares in funky doing that Caribbean thing. But that seemed like a pretty small difference to hang a genre division on."

uk funky - caribbean + afro flavoured, veers from 4x4, "organic" sounding

jackin - descendent from bassline + electro-house, straight 4x4, up norf ravey plasticky sound

if you consider that a "pretty small difference" then i guess you're... not into house music at all?

Wait...there's a difference between "Funky" and "Jackin'" house? Hair-splitting, IMO.

― DigitalDjigit, Monday, 21 January 2013 10:47 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The two sound nothing alike, and Jackin didn't evolve out of Funky. I can understand people not getting why Jackin' needs its own genre term but not them conflating it with Funky.

I suspect jackin' doesn't have much truck with funky's r&b-isms and funky never really was sample-based like jackin' seems to be.

This is probably correct only to the extent that jackin' doesn't have much truck with fully fledged vocalists (i.e. is unlikely to produce a Katy B, at least at this stage); conversely, it's probably less instrumental-heavy than funky, and there are a billion bootlegs of R&B tunes (e.g. the excellent jackin' version of "No Diggity").

House and dance rivals only metal for having the most inane subgenres.

how 'inane'

The two sound nothing alike, and Jackin didn't evolve out of Funky.

But both came out of garidge, no?

No.

nice list so far

i for one am really looking forward to what fresh unsolicited opinions from befuddled daytripper fucknuts tomorrow might bring

xpost except in the broad sense that people who were into funky in 2008 and people who are into jackin' now are each likely to be people who were or would have been (given the primary audience for each is quite a bit younger than that) into UK garage in 1999.

explain yourself tim? i'd say they both did, but they evolved in separate directions. a wolf isn't a coyote.

was never properly into uk funky, still feel like a traitor to the cause :(

i mean, yeah yeah "the cause and the cure" whatever, but funky took most of its non-rhythmic trappings from garage

The idea that these genres come from garage is based on the myopic assumption that UK producers only take cues from past UK dance music.

If you listen to a "funky" set from 2006 or so it's 90% US house music with a very small sprinkling of homegrown stuff aping US house music. There is no UK garage there.

it's a great list so far.
would like to see more: latin american hipster shit, k-pop and afrobeats. Other than the big crossover hits of the latter two genres, I think I'm being a little optimistic?

This is me if this conversation goes on for much longer... xp

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I agree that the beats come from Ferrer and friends! but everything else about it is pretty much part and parcel with what UKG people had been doing, which duhhhh they were taking cues from American producers in the first place. it seems odd as fuck to be all line in the sand "no this has nothing to do with ukg"

RIP Johnny Fever :'(

r|t|c - oh sorry, I didn't realize one must be quiet until spoken to by a seasoned ilx-er, who drops wisdom with every utterance.

RIP JF, his dick fell off when they hung him

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JF, this is a good conversation! And seriously, if you can't hear the difference between funky and jackin house, you need a rhythmic tune-up.

RIP JF, his dick fell off when they hung him

But at least he came like crazy just before.

lol

I can tell the differences in some instances, actually, but the fact that every variation of electronic and/or dance music needs its own name and that people will argue about whether or not something fits squarely into a specific category drives me bonkers.

definitely digging the genre discussion. more please.

it seems odd as fuck to be all line in the sand "no this has nothing to do with ukg"

I'm not doing that. Obviously the links are pretty strong. But it seems even odder than fuck for people on this thread, in the absence of all the actual connecting factors that make up the UKG ancestry (pirate radio sets, MCs etc.) to say "oh this jackin sounds the same as funky" rather than "oh this jackin sounds like Afrojack et. al." (or in 2008 "oh this funky sounds like some insipid wine bar vocal house shit" - which as it turns out is what people in fact were saying").

people will argue about whether or not something fits squarely into a specific category

no one's done this itt. and i like i said earlier, genrefication is actually a very important driving force in dance music, which is driven more by scenius than by individual auteurs. i'd say it's also very important to the way dance music evolves. genre logics have to reset themselves every few years to keep things from becoming stale.

JF, I'd normally be more sympathetic to your view. It's just this particular case. It doesn't really bother me that there are all these subtle genre distinctions though. If anything though, I find it amusing, not exasperating. Perplexing but amusing. But I also accept that if I were more immersed in dance music, the distinctions would presumably be much more meaningful, in general.

ha tim, tbh i was kind of exaggerating what you said in hopes that you'd elaborate further and it worked! (and i agree with the rest of your post)

doesnt JF rep for an area of music in which partisans argue about the differences between sadcore and slowcore

surely if you were really sad you wld choose to occupy a more liminal bit of genre space

I think if this was a case of border-policing then JF's suicide might be justified.

But there's a difference between, say, the question "is Grimes witch-house yes/no" and the question "do the terms "witch-house" and "chillwave" refer to different things".

The answer to the first question is contestable. The answer to the second question clearly is "yes", and while no-one is obliged to demonstrate that they understand the differences, railing against them is pointless.

Would've liked this better with the tracks listed first, then the comments

doesnt JF rep for an area of music in which partisans argue about the differences between sadcore and slowcore

― moët plaudit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva)

i think it's something like all sadcore is slowcore but not all slowcore is sadcore. for instance there is a lot of slowcore that isn't particularly sad, despite the glacial tempos.

funky blew my tiny little mind when i finally heard some mixes. the jackin tracks i've heard sound so drab and clunky in comparison, though i'm warming up to "you want me," it's more consummate than i'd thought. i guess comparison between the two is sort of unproductive, it's cloth-ed my ears i think because i love funky so much.

doesnt JF rep for an area of music in which partisans argue about the differences between sadcore and slowcore

You must have me confused with someone else.

I buy Rev's argument that some genrefication of sects within the larger dance genre makes sense in a way, but I still find it largely academic. He's right that there haven't been any instances of such in the thread—instead, just a discussion about what microgenres came out of or didn't come out of a previous one. It's the same kind of thing that metal people do which drives me up the wall (in addition to the music itself, more often than not).

Carry on. I've died already.

gr8 poll so far, everybody

what I would like is a really good infographic.....or even a flowchart: "Dance Music Since....."--yeah, there's the first problem. since disco? since swing? since jazz? what makes the most sense?

I saw a good one of those somewhere, let me see if I can find it.

ok, it was actually really easy to find. third result for "history of dance music"

http://www.thomson.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/infographic/interactive-music-map/index.html

Carry on. I've died already.

cool then i don't even have to get into the utility of metal subgenres

i get pretty enraged by new uk dance subgenres, too. jackin house felt like the last straw

the naming can become specialist identity flagging (dick-waving in metal imo) yes but it's weird to me to be all "stop talking about this" when what people are talking about is the context around the names, that's the interesting part of it. i mean what else is there, making big dumb stupid lists and leaving out all discussion of context because it's too "academic"? uhhh xp

Dickwave.

lol*

*from the grave

and what it sort of actually looks like is "people aren't paying attention to me so i'll tell them their discussion is tedious" which you know xp

IMO the best track of today was:
73. JAVIERA MENA "Luz de Piedra de Luna"

Also really dug Starships. Hope the Minaj track I voted for places...

and what it sort of actually looks like is "people aren't paying attention to me so i'll tell them their discussion is tedious" which you know xp

Why bust my balls? All I said was "House and dance rivals only metal for having the most inane subgenres" and then posted a hangman ascii to be funny. Discuss away!

I can tell the differences in some instances, actually, but the fact that every variation of electronic and/or dance music needs its own name and that people will argue about whether or not something fits squarely into a specific category drives me bonkers.

― Johnny Fever

I do this w/r/t metal subgenres so I have to allow the electronic/dance fans the same. Doesn't mean I care, but it doesn't bother me cause I could say the same kinda shit, like "If you don't get the difference between sludge doom and funeral doom then you just aren't paying attention, maaaan!"

when i first saw mention of "jackin house" i was like, http://www.the-mainboard.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/facepalm.gif "what will they come up with next?!"

hahahaha