Finally Rich - Chief Keef

I think the only person here who has made such an argument is Dan.

I think if you're honest about what art does it shouldn't be surprising that the street-level stuff is better -- i.e. art tries to make up the difference between our infinite, expansive feelings and finite, cramped realities. And ghetto/street life is pretty cramped and finite -- so the music has a bigger infinity to traverse so to speak, more to make up for, more emotional work to do in order to be redemptive.

Or you can think about it economically, in terms of skill development -- I remember Dave Van Ronk recounting a conversation where somebody was musing: why are so many famous blues guitarists blind black men from the South? I mean isn't that uncanny? perhaps suspect? indicative of an audience fetish?

Dave's rejoinder: if you were a blind black man from the South prior to WWII how else would you make a living?

Within a demographic, an economic decision will be made more often if there's a smaller opportunity cost. And, within a demographic, if there are a disproportionate number of say rappers, there will also be a disproportionate number of GOOD rappers!

provocative post: poor people make better music. They have to, because their lives are worse.

for 'poor' above feel free to sub in crazy, alienated, lonely, messianic, high, prone to fits -- anything really as long as you don't wanna feel complicit

very provocative

btw "projecting your preconceptions of x onto this stuff and pronouncing it good because it serves them back to you" is how *any* idea about *anything* is formed!

Good to remember in terms of human psychology sure but imo not a particularly effective approach to examining one's conscience re: enjoyment of street rap ---

I didn't sneak NWA & 2 Live Crew into my room by shoving them down the front of my pants to sit here and listen to this shit

http://www.vice.com/read/stories-you-wont-hear-while-shopping-for-music-online-day-one

There wasn’t a ton of music to organize, but for some reason all of the fuckheads loved pulling out 2 Live Crew’s As Nasty As They Wanna Be CDs from the section to rub on their JNCO jeans covered genitals and just lay the discs back on the top of the section like they’re returning a fucking cafeteria tray.

GD how many hundreds of posts are you going to spend on this board whining about the two times a decade ago that you got made fun of by a guy who stopped posting here 3 years ago? get the fuck over it.

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Can we have a button for posting that gif

i mean Al was dismissing me the other day for even indicating i was softening on the joey badass thing

this is not what happened at all btw, i just called bullshit on your comparison between joey badass's nostalgic rap and frankie beverly's r&b that people became nostalgic for decades later

Wow, you people are the worst.

Al, I could see how you would just love for that to be the case for me but there's nothing for me to "get over" other than the fact that his strain of douchery is still alive here, as so excellently demonstrated by you

one of the few hiphop posters here apparently views him as GOAT, maybe that has more to do w/me not being able to "get over hit" than whatever killer zing he unleashed my way in '04

I miss the golden age of ethan and strongo hardmanning.

Hardman cheerleaders who never do hardmanning themselves are the lamest, though

Huh is that directed at me then

Ha no it was meant generally but it does actually apply there, lol

No this dates back to the Kogan days, the worst people weren't the attn-seeking cunts but the enablers who'd only post snide "lol"s and act like they weren't part of the problem

GD, work your ethan issues out elsewhere. he's on facebook, write him a long letter and let it all out. bringing him up here on a monthly basis, over and over and over, is pointless.

Ah, I never supported the bullshit on the Hillary duff thread. But there's hardmanning and
hardmanning.

O_O

http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/21/chief-keef-baby-mama-lawsuit-grade-school-young-girl/

rap game tracy jordan

bringing him up here on a monthly basis, over and over and over, is pointless.

I guess you're right because people here still act like his disciples no matter what

ethan basically runs ilx like in goodfellas when they go to prison, he's on facebook cutting up garlic with a razor blade and frying up veal chops while sending messages to deej and j0rdan on the outside

ehh this facebook...its not so bad

and maybe i'm wrong that that strain of clowning assholeness that still permeates hiphop discussion here stems from him. maybe it's endemic to internet hiphop discussion. after all, people are just manifesting their love for a culture rooted in putdowns. nothing to do with white guys discussing a living black artform w/other white guys via a faceless communication mode.

you are completely wrong about everything

cool now i know

how about you eat my ass you clueless cumbubble

Lol @ GDs dn

so much anger. just like the culture you love awww.

ethan was cocaine and whiney is crack, in terms of the meanspiritedness of rap threads, imo

read that as 'crank' which seemed more accurate either way i think

does that make deej speed?

deej is dope

take that however you wanna take it

Who wants to be molly?

as if anyone on the rap internet merits that

lil' b's twitter

http://www.rewindreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/goodfellas-banner.jpg

j0rdan, some dude, ethan, deej? i dunno, working on it

joe pesci is whiney or delete the conceit

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1133/1418823080_f0ed8774dc.jpg

One dog goes one way, the other dog goes the other way

if we even take gd seriously here id like to point out that he's conflating hardmanning and taste

this is not what happened at all btw, i just called bullshit on your comparison between joey badass's nostalgic rap and frankie beverly's r&b that people became nostalgic for decades later

― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Monday, January 21, 2013 1:12 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes b/c it was RETRO -- i just was referring to what i expected their best case scenario path wd be in the industry

anyway if ethan was really the all-consuming guiding light of this board's taste i think there'd be a lot more Copywrite and Ill Bill content than is currently the rage in the rolling off a molly thread

and maybe i'm wrong that that strain of clowning assholeness that still permeates hiphop discussion here stems from him. maybe it's endemic to internet hiphop discussion.

lol you should read some actual rap boards

ilm is prob the most civilised place to discuss rap on the internet

genre-specific internet music discussion is really depressing in at both rap and metal and I would guess in other genres that I don't pay attention to. Even classical boards (not the ilm threads, ilm classical threads are some of the most useful sharing of ideas I know of) are pretty dickish in a less hardman but no less unpleasant way.