Finally Rich - Chief Keef

nah it's cool DJP; I get what he was saying.

yeah i mean 乒乓 brought some quality content to the thread after and seemingly in response to that post

I should have kept reading before I posted

i was just trying to goad dayo into not being a dick for 5 minutes

wait dayo did you go to an ivy? i had no idea

i mean i was also sort of mad at him too

I think it's been a running thing in the goon threads how I only pop in to snipe and zing and troll people, which is probably pretty true!

pfft you don't need an ivy degree to do that

but otherwise goon threads are just deej ship and whiney meshed into a neverending http://i.imgur.com/YfJmn.gif

Lol now I feel like I just blew up dayo's spot

lol I've posted about it before plus j0rd should have known from fb

as an independent observer, i thought everyone was p. chill despite talking past each other for 1k posts

not like a [MODERATOR EDIT NECESSARY FOR ALL OUR SANITY] or anything

lol

Yeah I hope slocki doesnt find this thread too

The one thing about the jazz/keef things that breaks down for me is that free jazz dudes who were challenging rhythmic conventions were all schooled in the classics and completely technically adept enough to knock out sets of standards, where it's not like keef could like knock out a Do or Die type verse

"You already know how to rap. Now rap wrong and make THAT right": Keef D-Bags Thread 2013

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M-OqF8-N-Dw#

like this is one of the first coltrane recordings and you can here him pushing a bit compared to the others but only slightly, this was a wilbur hardin record

god y'all some bop boys

there were individual jazz players who had idiosyncratic styles from day one tho. t monk is an extreme example

but anyway w/ jazz i was just talking about swing that basically every artist does, where the shit is written out as if it's right on the beat but if a classical musician plays it it sounds stiff and if a jazz artist plays it, it's actually slightly behind or w/e on the beat

I'm guilty of this too but comparing rap or rock artists to jazz dudes is always kind of a stretch because most rock or rap dudes are basically pants pooping infants, musically speaking, compared to jazz dudes

Except chief keef, of course

i'm not making an argument about anything musically except how the artist finds a rhythmic pocket on the beat. what is wrong w/ you guys

http://media.mediapost.com/images/inline_image/2012/10/11/Hot-pockets-B.jpg

It's an analogy that comes across as a legitimization because it doesn't really fit, cf.

The one thing about the jazz/keef things that breaks down for me is that free jazz dudes who were challenging rhythmic conventions were all schooled in the classics and completely technically adept enough to knock out sets of standards, where it's not like keef could like knock out a Do or Die type verse

― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, January 12, 2013 3:12 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I understand what you're trying to say, deej, but it feels like an overstatement because you don't really need jazz to say it . Rap has been about finding individual styles and flows since day one, or at least day two or three.

but anyway w/ jazz i was just talking about swing that basically every artist does, where the shit is written out as if it's right on the beat but if a classical musician plays it it sounds stiff and if a jazz artist plays it, it's actually slightly behind or w/e on the beat

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, January 12, 2013 3:30 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that is not the same thing as what matt is talking about

Except a lot of the record he's just flat out sloppy and it's got nothing to do with that

i dunno i'm listening to 'diamonds' right now & it sounds pretty in control to me. as we discussed upthread, this isn't like when lil b would just completely disregard the beat

and as rtc said it's not an either-or thing (control vs. chaos), there's def a chaotic-ness to his style but it's not completely out of control

No, but would you really say that about, say, Thelonious Monk? "There's def a chaotic-ness to his style but it's not completely out of control" - a lot seems to hinge on the "completely" there. The sentence would pretty much mean something completely different. I'm all for sloppiness and the will to try new things as great-reasons-for-breakthrough-in-art, but again I'm not sure if the jazz analogy is the best.

*sigh*

ditto, lol. I'm sympathetic to the cause, I just don't see the great illumination here. I definitely agree that if you gave the same lyrics to, say, Wale, they wouldn't sound equally good. Keef's flow/delivery/off-ness definitely contributes to his shit sounding good. The question is how big of a point this is for you.

I'd still love to read something perceptive on Keef's vowels and consonants though. As I've said before, his o and a game is unparalleled in rap - and the drawn out wovels and swallowing of consonants soften the rapping in a really interesting way that runs counter to what is often referred to as his "steely, unemotional style". It also merges with the slowed down trap sound of young chop in a way that brings out its undulation and the way it surges in different ways than, say, Luger or Lil Lodi does. And I'm not only talking about young chop's production here - much the same happens on/with the citgo beat.

is lex luger over?

http://cdn.fashionista.com/uploads/2013/01/over.png?9d7bd4

Him being a big thing is definitely over but his career is not.

what has he even done this/last year?

mike will definitely been eating his lunch for a long minute now

but anyway w/ jazz i was just talking about swing that basically every artist does, where the shit is written out as if it's right on the beat but if a classical musician plays it it sounds stiff and if a jazz artist plays it, it's actually slightly behind or w/e on the beat

do you have some examples of this? Jean-Yves Thibaudet's Bill Evans disc is pretty dope=

xp right. it's crazy how fast him & waka just disappeared. as much as i loved them the reshuffle was one of my favourite things about rap this year, not that they were replaced by anything so fundamentally different but it definitely feels like someone cracked open a window after the oversaturation of that sound the past 2 years

what has he even done this/last year?

― flopson, Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:45 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Luger_discography#2012

He has been pretty busy it seems. Not too many huge hits but quite a few bangers in there.

ya, not bad. crazy that he only produced one juicy j song this year (if that`s true)

deej can you ysi me chi bangin comps if u got any?

hit me on teh google chat

i think i added u ages ago but i never see u on? sent u a msg i think

first initial last name at gee mail dot com

ya thats the 1, weird

http://www.complex.com/music/2013/01/chief-keef-taken-into-custody-by-chicago-police

http://cdnl.complex.com/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/MUSIC/2013/01/content/keef.jpg

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