okay Trinidad James is a prank, right
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
don't think that's fair, jeezy wasn't GOAT status or anything but he was miles past keef skillswise (and I really like the keef record)
xp
― one bish two bish red bish blue bish (fadanuf4erybody), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
Jeezy in '05 was a MUCH bigger, more immediate voice. i think you gotta be really inside the Keef bubble to think that he does anything with appeal as undeniable as those early Jeezy ad libs.
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
not that that's what you're doing, just saying
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
oy, the energy behind jeezy was much bigger than it was for keef, but i don't think there's some unquestionable 'skill superiority' between the two of them or something. jeezy was never *about* skill
as narrators, it makes sense to compare them. Jeezy was, like Keef, more of a literalist lyrically
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
haha really? TM101 is nearly unlistenable for me, but somehow I don't mind keef
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
I suppose another benefit of this thread is introducing trinidad james to DJP
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
like, okay, chief keef is a sheer literalist, what is trinidad james... ?
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
should i listen to trinidad james or?
― let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
you should hear his one big song, its cool
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
i feel the same way about trinidad that i do about 2chainz, where there's something that makes me think they both think they're 'above' the music they make, which leaves a bad taste.
lyrics to "Thug Motivation 101":
[Verse 1]I use to hit the kitchen lights, cockroaches everywhereHit the kitchen lights: now it's marble floors, everywhere!Call the carpenter, the roof on the coupe's goneGive a fuck what he sold - I'm the truth, homesKitchen's fumed up, niggas jamming 2pacGet my Benihanas on, working 2 potsBaby need shoes, partner need bail moneyBloodhound for the bread, I just smell moneyNiggas just write, I recollectHands on, Jeezy really counted them checksI'm Donald Trump in a white tee and white 1'sThe conversation is money: nigga, you want some?[Hook]You gotta believe, you gotta believeAy you ain't never seen them piesI'm talking so much white, it'll hurt ya eyesI really lived it manCounted so much paper, it'll hurt ya handsLet's get it![Verse 2]I'm what the streets made me, a product of my environmentTook what the streets gave me: product in my environmentNow it's 28 inches on the brand new HummerTelling you right now: it's gon' be a cold summerBlew the brains out the Chevy, call it suicideIt's a way of life, that's how us young niggas rideTrap Or Die gave 'em hope, they waiting for the sequelIt's clear to see: the boy Jeezy do it for the people[Hook][Verse 3]I'm the author of the book, yeah a genius wrote itThere's a message in my words, you gotta decode itI seen it all, every gram, every birdI spit the truth, every noun, every verbI never exaggerated one line, one dimeNever lied to the people, not one timeA hard head make a soft assAnd hard white will get ya straight cash
[Hook]You gotta believe, you gotta believeAy you ain't never seen them piesI'm talking so much white, it'll hurt ya eyesI really lived it manCounted so much paper, it'll hurt ya handsLet's get it!
[Verse 2]I'm what the streets made me, a product of my environmentTook what the streets gave me: product in my environmentNow it's 28 inches on the brand new HummerTelling you right now: it's gon' be a cold summerBlew the brains out the Chevy, call it suicideIt's a way of life, that's how us young niggas rideTrap Or Die gave 'em hope, they waiting for the sequelIt's clear to see: the boy Jeezy do it for the people
[Hook]
[Verse 3]I'm the author of the book, yeah a genius wrote itThere's a message in my words, you gotta decode itI seen it all, every gram, every birdI spit the truth, every noun, every verbI never exaggerated one line, one dimeNever lied to the people, not one timeA hard head make a soft assAnd hard white will get ya straight cash
I don't see how you can even begin to think this is lyrically in the same universe as Chief Keef
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL6CVwGTyVs
all you need to hear
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
Faulkner: ‘[Hemingway] has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary.’
Hemingway: ‘Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words?’
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
well that was fucking horrible
― let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
chief keef, the flaubert of rap
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:58 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i dunno. you think TJ writes rhymes on the low and just chooses to not rhyme in the booth?
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
Faulkner: ‘[Hemingway] has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary.’Hemingway: ‘Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words?’
Does this comeback really make sense to you, particularly in the context of someone comparing Young Jeezy to Chief Keef?
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
I'll cop to the fact that one of my pet peeves is rappers who rhyme the same word with the same word and that if you do that you'll probably irrationally bias me against the rest of your songs, and that's what happened to me w/ jeezy's first record
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
btw fuck you forever dayo, I am currently in the middle of a neverending "popped a molly I'm sweatin' (HOO!)" loop
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:04 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think that keef has lyrics that are literal & simple in execution but convey concepts and his worldview w/ efficiency. I think that comparing his lyrics to jeezy's makes jeezy seem more traditionalist & conservative
jeezy was already a simplification of more complex older rappers
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
funniest thing about the whole Trinidad James situation is the co-creator of Martin Lawrence's "Jerome" character threatening to sue
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:06 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhtghdwSD1qdpp8h.gif
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
hahahaha hemingway! love it. deej is bringing it on every level itt.
― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
rhyming the same word with the same word is perfectly fine if it's done in a clever way, ie, where the rapper re-states the same phrase but in an entirely different context (ie, Rick Ross "My teacher told me that I was a piece of shit/Saw her the other day, driving a piece of shit"), but then you also have...Mack Maine.
xxxpost
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
why does trinidad james dress like a dollar store jimi hendrix halloween costume?
― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
Quee-Farty constantly drawing parallels between the Keef wars and famous literary feuds will never stop being funny
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no i think he thinks he's above rap in general or may have at least initially -- i mean it takes some cojones to think you can just become a successful rapper after doing it a couple of months, and that all ppl want is 'simplicity' -- he's probably finding out that there's an artfulness to simplicity that is tougher to make 'work' consistently
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
I think he's finding that if you turn yourself into a meme machine ppl will spread your name everywhere and you get famous in spite of yourself
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
honestly deej you're acting like these guys are motown session musicians or something
― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
that too xp
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i can see TJ being condescending to the whole idea of rap in the same way as "i'm not a rapper" Shawty Lo types. that feels different to me though from guys like 2 Chainz who rap for 15 years and just get more obnoxious over time. xp
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
tbf this is the trinidad james song u should hear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEwCFWAvGy4
― flopson, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:10 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
idk what this means
so it's settled: chief keef uses viking to mean one who excels
― da croupier, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
omg lol
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
yes that is the tj piece of shit i listened to on youtube already thanks
― let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdtbd2u9LZ1qlw3djo1_500.gif
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
i figured flopson was making a joke about the one-song-wonder having no 'deep cuts' to champion
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
the "intro" on his Spotify album is unbelievable
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
in a few years this thread will be a debate over the artistic merits of a rapper who raps using solely armpit noises
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
no lie I think about the dn 'trinidad jokes' at least once every 3 days
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
XD
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
guys gangster rap history has often moved in the direction of simplifying, figuring out the shortest & most efficient way to convey ideas ... prodigy's style was a simplification of the rap before it, the lox's style was a simplification, so was jeezy's. It's really about a pursuit of 'realism,' and it's what drives the direction of the genre. The reason keef is trend setting right now is because he's found a 'realer' style, a style that seems less performative (but of course still is)
the idea that there's LYRICAL RAPPERS and NONLYRICAL RAPPERS isn't exactly wrong, but it confuses things. There are rappers conveying ideas (which Keef is one) and rappers who don't, or just have filler lines or gimmicks or w/e (imo trinidad is one of these). It would be rockist to say one is better than the other, but a tendency i have noticed is that the FORMER tend to have a much more impactful presence on how people rap
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think anybody's arguing about simplicity per se, cuz I think a lot of the people in this thread enjoyed stuff like Compton's Most Wanted that wasn't full of skilled wordplay but had the appropo imagery, character, and menace.
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
i was trying to explain to people that this wasn't about white hipsters fetishizing urban violence and then
The reason keef is trend setting right now is because he's found a 'realer' style
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
well I should say "SOLELY about simplicity"
the debate against narrow ideas of 'lyricism' in rap has had, and deserves, more effective poster boys than Keef, is all
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link