yeah, i mean obviously my first reaction to Ghost Box was "wow this is def nostalgia-based but with an attention to detail" instead of like I SMEARED SALUTE YOUR SHORTS WITH KAOSS PAD"
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
were people really talking about this and hauntology in 2007 or did simon just invent that. i can't find any evidence that this was a talking point besides some, like, quietus articles
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
lol dude
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
this was pretty much all british crit theory informed music blogs talked about in 2007
i think k-punk alone wrote more about that one belbury poly ep than henry darger did about little girls
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, I don't read "brit crit theory informed music blogs" for at least three reasons
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
all of this stuff was made by and for those ppl and was more notable for its aetiology as an early example of ~ critical blogger discourse ~ feeding back into actual music than for any intrinsic value
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
the lols come from most of these people being disheartened former grime fans
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
2007 def when I started hearing the term.
K-punk was often ridic, but his pieces on The Fall were fantastic.
― ~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
You're skewing a lot there in order to reach a lack of intrinsic value, dude.
Also, as a Critical Theory graduate, can I just get a pre-emptive 'fuck you' out of the way? Cheers.
― emil.y, Thursday, 10 January 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
this music isn't terrible at all, it's nice, well made, more or less worthless
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
"More or less" is doing a lot of work there. What music do you consider not worthless? Is there any worth in anything? Probably not.
― emil.y, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:01 (eleven years ago) link
did this have any impact in america at all? i didn't hear about it until The Wire put Advisory Circle at like No. 45 on a year end list in 2011. I bought and enjoyed Advisory Circle, Pye Corner Audio and Belbury Poly and was spinning the black circle like "la la la enjoying my cool little british label that no one seems to talk about" and then I open up a Simon Reynolds book with a Library of Congress call number and there's like 40 fuckin pages on how this is Britains version of hip-hop and I felt like I did when I learned Lonestar Steakhouse was a chain restaurant
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
the blackout crew, certain of the late beethoven quartets
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
It doesn't have any impact in Britain either really.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
nb you will have noticed that crit theory wasnt dismissed, merely its lesser amateur practitioners
jon yeah athough in another context entirely i was going to say too much is written about the fall, the k-punk fall/lovecraft stuff is certainly towards the better end of this spectrum
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
how this is Britains version of hip-hop
Ahahahahahahahahaaaaa
― emil.y, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
I thought k-punk's piece on hauntological musics was quite good, in all seriousness.
― emil.y, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
I mean there are however many pages in Retromania about it doesn't really surprise me because Reynolds and his mates have been talking about it amongst themselves for years but its impact on or relevance to much of the rest of British music is virtually zero. It's a fairly isolated scene producing some excellent music but that's about it. The critical discourse around this label is largely awful and put me off actually listening to it for several years.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
xpost nilmar totally, they are v over-talked-abt. that was one of the few Fall pcs that felt like it would rattle about my brain for the rest of my listening career.
― ~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
you know who needs to get and love ghost box is film score nerds. I don't know if they know about it or not.
Well, I think the Julian House/Broadcast/Berberian Sound Studio crossover will make that the case soon if it isn't already.
― emil.y, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but emily that might nearly have been written for you
ghost box probably had some influence on demdike stare and that strain of olde englishes weird techno
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
So, wait, does that mean you're writing me off as a lolcrit blog dilettante? Seeing as you indicate with your other posts that you think such things are laughable... Bah humbug.
― emil.y, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
while we're speaking about k-punk et al, I noticed there's a new cheap ebook of collected and augmented woebot pieces. Kind of tempted, I remember enjoying him on average more than kp.
― ~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
<q> The critical discourse around this label is largely awful and put me off actually listening to it for several years.</q>
As someone whose been listening to this stuff for a year without seeing any critical discourse its like "HOLMES YOU DID NOT KNOW IT WAS A CAN OF DOG FOOD"
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:21 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think the hip hop thing is such a stretch. A year ago I had the idea of writing a blog post discussing Stereolab and Broadcast's sonic references/appropriation/thievery in the context of hip hop. Makes total sense.
I like most of this stuff, though only had the slightest idea of the aesthetic, being american and whatnot. But there are hazy memories of the 70s/early 80s that I have that aren't that different. Or maybe I just watched a lot of Dr. Who and The Prisoner while growing up.
But musically, it all sounds awesome to me, it just doesn't stick with me that much. Some of it is more musique concrete, some is more library music...Pye Corner Audio is the one that sticks with me because he works it in a lo-fi italo-disco/proto-house way.
And Broadcast is my favorite band of their era, no matter what they were ripping off at any given time.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:21 (eleven years ago) link
Whiney I know you're partly playing it up for LOLs but this isn't actually going to ruin this stuff for you is it?
― ~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i think some of my fairly mild scorn for these dudes itt was precipitated by seeing that woebot has repackaged his defunct blog into an ebook
i don't think it's even chutzpah so much as an english arts and crafty enamourment for careful artisanal labour, rather like the dude who carves spoons all day in hackney he wants to get paid in full (if only retroactively)
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno, I just like reading things on a dedicated reader more than I like reading them on blogs where the rest of infinity is constantly beckoning me to click away.
― ~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
maybe he just wants to get paid?
― dan selzer, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but he is a shitty writer and doesn't deserve to
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:33 (eleven years ago) link
ouch. regardless, not that big a deal that someone, anywhere, should publish an ebook. it's convenient. he's not going to retire from it.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:39 (eleven years ago) link
if he needs to pay the rent then i might feel obliged to send him twenty quid for introducing me to some fine music when i was like 19, but reading that interview of him on (iirc) the quietus i was reminded of his precious cultural dirigism and those tendentious thinkpieces about musical history
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
the troubled ghosts of former ilxor NRQ haunts my posts itt like the fragments of the incredible string band limning their way throughout the work of skepta
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Thursday, 10 January 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
― ~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:26 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Nah, I still love this stuff
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 00:13 (eleven years ago) link
reverse is also true, btw - ie there are plenty of uk telly genre-nerds who consume Children of the Stones and The Owl Service for breakfast, know every episode of Kinvig off by heart, but who wldn't touch the Ghost Box stuff w/ a fifty foot maypole
also think Electric Eden by Rob Young was a more important bk, in the UK at least, for popularising this idea of olde weird britain and a wider idea of what constitutes trad/folk music than the Simon Reynolds volume
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 11 January 2013 00:30 (eleven years ago) link
Woebot's 70s ebook was a lot of fun. Wish it were longer.
― brimstead, Friday, 11 January 2013 02:01 (eleven years ago) link
This. I tried a couple and even though they should be right up my street I just couldn't get into them at all. (For reference, they were Seance at Hob's Lane, We Are All Pan's People and The Owl's Map - feel free to point out they're unrepresentative and/or rubbish and I'm missing out.)
― Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Friday, 11 January 2013 11:28 (eleven years ago) link
I really like the first Belbury Poly album, The Willows. Also check out the Broadcast/Focus Group collab.
― Moodles, Friday, 11 January 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
so, thoughts on the new focus group lp anyone?
― cw, Sunday, 12 May 2013 12:10 (eleven years ago) link
On very first listen this morning I liked it very much. I went straight onto the GB site and bought the vinyl. I like the sound of it a lot; kinda medieval stuff going on. Reminds me a little of Matmos's The Civil War. Intriguing.
― kraudive, Sunday, 12 May 2013 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/cafekaput/applied-music-vol-1-science
― djh, Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
The new Soundcarriers album is out today on Ghost Box. Downloaded it (purchased), but waiting for the vinyl to arrive. Love that band, so I have high hopes.
― afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link
the "alternative" version of the release on GPS last year sounds tremendous so i'm v much looking forward to hearing this
― stiff alboner (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 00:16 (ten years ago) link
The Soundcarriers record is awesome.
And this will also be awesome:
http://cafekaput.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/ghost-box-other-voices-01-brooks-ohagan.html
Back in the mists of time (we're talking probably 14 years ago) I 'creatively re-appropriated' a snippet of a High Llamas song into one of my own tunes. Wanting to do the honourable thing, I contacted Sean O'Hagan and played him what I'd done. I remember him being quite pleased about the whole thing and we stayed in touch, often talking about making a record together. Of course, these things always take time.Fast-forward to now and here we are, kicking off a new series of singles on Ghost Box. It's available to pre-order now, at the Ghost Box shop.
Fast-forward to now and here we are, kicking off a new series of singles on Ghost Box. It's available to pre-order now, at the Ghost Box shop.
― afriendlypioneer, Friday, 11 July 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link
always interested when Sean O'Hagan is involved in a music project
― odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Friday, 11 July 2014 14:57 (ten years ago) link
The clip could easily just be a new High Llamas song.
― afriendlypioneer, Friday, 11 July 2014 15:05 (ten years ago) link
How's the new Advisory Circle?
― djh, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 21:48 (nine years ago) link
Very good, more of the usual but a bit more sinister and space-y
― Gouty_Ted, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 21:50 (nine years ago) link