Search and Destroy : New Order

nate: I shall check which ones, and thanks...

'Lost Sirens' coming out next week it seems

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx)

It's already out there. It's actually quite good in places, not sure what I was expecting really. There are a few tracks that really should have been on the album, I'll Stay With You in particular should have replaced Jet Stream or I Told You So.

It's pleasantly surprising and a bit dire in equal measure, to my ears. Not sure if I prefer the album version of I Told You So to the one here (which I swear I've heard before, bundled on a promo single).

Californian Grass is my favourite.

The Stuart Price mix of I Told You So was previously released.

I agree with your assessment but not your favorite track. There are 3-4 tracks that I'll add to my WFTSC playlist and the rest will remain with a playcount of 1 along with Rock the Shack.

Which tracks from Lost Sirens would you add to the original album and which would ones would you get rid of? I'll Stay With You, Californian Grass and Hellbent would fit nicely on there for me.

I always hated I Told You So, whoever it compared to Ace of Base meant I could never really take it seriously. Think I prefer the version on Lost Sirens but I'd leave it off my final tracklisting anyway.

Shake it up is probably the worst thing on here, it has a hint of Rock The Shack about it.

The echos on the vocals in Shake It Up totally kill it for me.

it's ok. it's not much worse than the album itself, and some of it is better.

This might be the only band I've loved forever that I firmly wish would just call it a day.

^^^ how I felt about Bowie as of 12:01 a.m. Tuesday.

Alas, David Bowie cannot break up. That is the bane of every solo act.

I dunno, Lolly famously split up from herself...

I suppose the original PJ Harvey broke up.

Wolk for some reason calls Peter Hook a fretless player in his new Fork review. The heresy!

anyway, I saw a copy of Lost Sirens in HMV, of all things. No blue cross on it though.

when did Sumner sport a "ridiculous" haircut?

In fact, I always thought he had pretty good hair! Maybe ridiculous in the everything from the '80s was slightly ridiculous? Like Hook's ponytail?

By the standards of other '80s lead singers, Bernard Sumner's haircuts have always struck me as being refreshingly ordinary.

exactly! Hook is the only one who wore the mullet.

did anybody grab this before it was taken down? http://neworder-recycle.blogspot.com/2012/12/merry-xmas-from-hacienda-and-factory.html#comment-form

Yeah, I did..

did it come as an .aiff file?

i dunno, but I can get the file(s) to you..

ah okay cool - my ilxmail works. ty!

chk

oh, and I like the new album, btw..

seeing peter hook in conversation this week in SF, I think. not really looking forward to it.

also, fwiw, new order live without him were excellent. I'd be happy with them not doing any new songs though and pulling a pixies for a while, just touring old stuff. yeah it's not very forward thinking, yeah it's a nostalgia geezer act, but they were really good

They were alright, yeah.

PHook in conv should be OK too.

In this case it really is the principle of the matter, like a Black Sabbath reunion without Bill Ward. I'd like to think of my favorite bands as more than just opportunistic business ventures, even if I know better.

Still curious why Gillian vanished for so long, starting with the tour behind the group's last "Get Ready"-era reunion, and then returned right after Hook departed. I know there was the matter of her kids, supposedly, but the coincidence remains jarring. Could easily imagine her telling Stephen that there's no way she'd ever share a stage with the guy again.

xpost Hook is in full tell-all/burn bridges mode, so you never know what you may get.

Gilbert's reticence adds to her power. She might loathe Hooky, she might not give a damn about anyone who isn't her husband. She might play many of the lead guitar parts, she might let Bernard tell her what to do. Her aloofness is her strength. New Order might be the only band whose girl member didn't taint the chemistry enough for members to bitch to the NME about the drummer's girlfriend.

Well, they're also one of the few bands short of the VU where we really don't know who did what on a song by song basis.

I know there was the matter of her kids, supposedly,

quality truthing here, Gillian lied about her daughter's neurological condition, burn the witch


no matter how shoulder-chipped or whitewashing Hooky is, he's sure to be an entertaining speaker (and has demonstrated over and over again that he knows and regrets how he comes across, but can't help himself - he does HAVE perspective on his spleneticism tho)

I met them at a J&MC gig back in the day, Hooky, Gillian and Stephen. So, they socialised together, so hey..

The new Asphodells (Andrew Weatherall, Timothy Fairplay) album has a song that sounds like it could have been recorded by New Order between Power, Corruption and Lies and Low-Life complete with a bassline Hooky would love to take credit for and a great melodica line. Check out The Quiet Dignity (Of Unwitnessed Lives).

xposting I swear to God, I'd never seen any specifics about her kids! It was always super vague. Does anyone know what her child has?

Ah! Once I put in "neurological condition," searches bore fruit:

We have two daughters Tilly (11) and Grace (7). Gillian took an extended leave of absence from the band in 2001 when at 18 months Grace was diagnosed with Transverse Myelitis - something I’d never even heard of before. Its effects are something like a spinal injury and it left Grace paralysed from the waist down. She has, thankfully, largely recovered from that, but still continues to need care and treatment.

Good to know it's under control. I bet she still thinks Hook is a dick, though.

How would Grace have met him though?

Lots of good potential follow-up LOLs, but enlisting a paraplegic child for the sake of a punchline is beneath even me.

forget it, Josh. It's ILM.

I saw PHook and the Light doing Movement and PC & L a couple of weeks ago at Koko in Lon don. It was... interesting. Hooky was doing all the singing, which was okay for Movement's gothy deep voice stuff, but by the time they got to PC & L his voice was really flagging and he couldn't hit the high notes. His backing band were tight, though, and he can obviously still play himself. I got to meet him very briefly after the show!

I got to hear a recording of the Manchester gig and I thought that the band sounded pretty great, Hooky's voice however kinda spoilt the obvious care and attention applied to recreating those songs.

yeah it was good to great to begin with, his band were very proficient and they had obviously made an effort, he just didn't seem to me able to sing for a whole 2hr show.

It reminded me of listening to early NO boots and wincing at Dreams Never End, Hooky bellowing YOUR SOOOOOOOOOOOUL

Hook's kid plays bass, right?

Yes, Jack plays bass.

hah didn't realise that! Two bass players, like um Girls v Boys and Ned's Atomic Dustbin...

No, Peter plays guitar.

Hooky was doing all the singing, which was okay for Movement's gothy deep voice stuff, but by the time they got to PC & L his voice was really flagging and he couldn't hit the high notes.

in fairness, neither can Bernard