Finally Rich - Chief Keef

that's like saying kanye had the best lyric of 2011 with 'that shit cray' xp

you may also think that "these bitches love sosa / raris and rovas" is a "shitty" lyric and that the fact that its oft-repeated, parroted and meme'd means that whether something is "memorable" should be immaterial to the discussion about the quality of lyrics, but then your original argument wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on

"way out of my way"?? i feel like people acting like this album all sounds the same have absolutely no context in recent rap which, (hey jordan's review!) except then Al is here agreeing with them, which makes no sense

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:08 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― 乒乓, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:36 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes saying someone who has 'no context' in recent rap is definitely the same as saying someone needs to be steeped in the background of hip hop to see the differences

ad communication: take Understand Me for instance. Chief is beggng me to understand him, but he does it in a totally nonchalant, detached way that makes it clear that a) he's not really expecting me to understand him or even say something he wants to hear, and b) it really doesn't matter anyway. The ad libs are pretty unfocused, happy with being sounds rather than emphasizing how important it is that I understand him. Then enter Jeezy, the traditional goon, who starts off by referencing Keef's hit, as if it is really important to him that we understand that he is very aware of whose song he is on. As his verse proceeds, he uses his ad libs to create the illusion that he is in fact the ideal audience to his own narrative, laughing at the jokes, admiring the objects of desire he describes in his verse - totally immersed in communicating. Now I'm specifically not saying that because of this Keef is a lesser lyricist than Jeezy - I am describing their styles and delivery and the impression created by them and how Keef differs from other goons.

In Gucci too there is always an element of "look at me, see what I can do and say" - a joy in acting aout the Gucci persona - that is not exactly lacking but rather obscured or displaced in Keef.

that's like saying kanye had the best lyric of 2011 with 'that shit cray' xp

― 乒乓, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:46 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is kind of otm tho

that's like saying kanye had the best lyric of 2011 with 'that shit cray' xp

― 乒乓, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:46 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark

look i'm not the one who accused chief keef of not having "memorable" lyrics

i dont understand what longneck is saying btw

which is fine, and I'm sympathetic to populist arguments

i was going to listen to this to form an opinion but now I'm afraid of shrapnel from either side so I'm gonna be unperson-proud of not having heard it.

best lyric on understand me is

'rob him for his stacks, if he's the son of sam / who gives a fuck we don't care bout nothin' fam'

you may say that "hate being sober" is merely a song title and not a "memorable" lyrics, but then again https://twitter.com/search?q=%22hate%20being%20sober%22&src=typd

i dont understand what longneck is saying btw

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:47 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Eh. Do you perceive a difference between Keef and Jessie's approaches to rapping on Understand Me? If so, what does it consist in?

was unaware son of sam had stacks tbh

i love the entire hate being sober verse, it all flows together perfectly:

On my tour bus, we get dumb high, you’s a floor boy
Fredo got a hangover he toting a Cobra
Last night he was shooting shit up like O-Dog
Reesy rollin, Tadoe got hoes on mollies
Chief Sosa, Ballout, we high riding ‘Raris
My bitches love drinking, some love smoking
Let my alcoholic bitch hit the dope, she start choking
Call up D-Money, now we throw money
All these bitches off the shits walk around like some zombies
Call up D-Money, now we throw money
All these bitches off the shits walk around like some zombies

"Watch me shoot this three, infirmaries, death / I got twenty seven more of them be courtesy shells"

I can't lie I really like this one a lot

was unaware son of sam had stacks tbh

― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:50 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's a separate thought. they rob him for his stacks, they're unafraid even if he's the son of sam

trying to pull apart where keef's lyrics are "good" and where they're "memorable" runs counter to the entire point of his music -- like waka he says he made a conscious decision to write simple lyrics. and if you admit that he has memorable lyrics -- or there's a mountain of evidence for that argument -- then the argument that he's a "shitty" lyrics kind of falls apart.

unlike w/ gucci i think most of keef's lyrics don't really translate well to being written out, tho

the "that boy jewelry lookin bleary like who sold him that shit" reminds me of gucci's "freakin partners probly never bother with a second option" tho, weird syllable play

this thread has become amazing and a future ilx classic. has made my work day well worth it

the "that boy jewelry lookin bleary like who sold him that shit" reminds me of gucci's "freakin partners probly never bother with a second option" tho, weird syllable play

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:57 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark

also this epic pimp c quote

835bosse 6 months ago
"ALL YOU BITCH ASS NIGGAS OUT THERE BUYIN THAT O KING JOHNNY, WITH THEM CLOUDY ASS DIAMONDS, LOOK LIKE HURRICANE KATRINA JUST HIT!"- PIMP C

so "memorable" is the yardstick now

again, i didn't bring it up

jesus are we really going to go down that "what makes a lyric good" rabbit hole?

HOLY SHIT I ABSOLUTELY LOST IT AT: "Tuomas would body Keef in 8 bars and drop the mic onto the icy Finnish stage"

post of the year IMO.

because i'ma tell you right now, no two parties will ever agree on a definition

he has a cool voice and an original style. his voice sounds at once affectless and 'cool' (in that detached, unruffleable sense) & yet it PROJECTS. good rapper voice. his flow is original, w/ that weird off the beat swag that drives ship nuts, idk

the problem w/ this is the more people expect you to 'explain it' the more posts there are and then they can go LOOK YOU GUYS ARE OVERANALYZING HE JUST SAYS 'I CAN FUCK YOUR MAMA' AND YOU HAVE LIKE 50 POSTS LOL CASSIE FAN CLUB

its this inexcusable need to compare everything to Nas as if the Eazy E / Too Short / Pimp C yardstick was such a bad one

what's sh1p's username on here again?

this guy is no Too $hort gimme a fuckin break

xpost kl0pper

this guy is no Too $hort gimme a fuckin break

― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes thats definitely the argument i was making

a 17 year old kid with one album and a couple mixtapes is too $hort

laughin at this slave's life

where is this sudden meme about waka being joyous and charismatic coming from

― D-40, Friday, December 14, 2012 5:02 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://24.media.tumblr.com/5175859feaea8be5bada311aa929ada5/tumblr_mf238adrzr1r03eaxo1_500.gif

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:34 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Chief Keef why you say those nasty words

I'm just sayin if you want to go by the Eazy/Too $hort/Pimp C axis that's fine but he seems much more humorless/less comical to me and that makes it much less appealing

its this inexcusable need to compare everything to Nas as if the Eazy E / Too Short / Pimp C yardstick was such a bad one

This need is a strawman you pull out when you want to defend bad lyricists. AFAIK/IIRC Eazy didn't write his own rhymes but who can deny that "Real Muthaphuckkin Gs" is a great lyric? Not everybody's gonna be cerebral comb-through-it-for-hidden-meanings style, tand I can't speak for anybody else but that's not my complaint, I don't care what somebody's writing about or whether they're aiming for deeper truths or whatever. one can write well on any topic, and in a multitude of styles, as many styles as there are writers.

if we're taking "memorable" to mean "people can remember it" instead of "worth remembering" then yes, these are memorable. so is that band fun. by that yardstick.

well i think it's both and i like fun., so idk

j0rdan shutting down an argument by linking a search of a song title in twitter is some jason newsted "yes, we sell out ::claps hands:: every night, every seat in the house" shit

@ SD media-savvy waka is also post-quality music waka we all know this

I think fun. said something nice about me recently so I should stfu those guys are in a position to do a man a solid right now

too many encores, what makes a good lyricist?

http://i48.tinypic.com/cuooh.jpg

which one's the free space

after said video was posted to ilx for the first time:

haha waka kinda owns that video

― aim chtza (The Reverend), Friday, December 25, 2009 9:18 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

waka is so gifable!

― stupid fruity crazy jag (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 25, 2009 10:03 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the middle one duh

waka is so gifable!

― stupid fruity crazy jag (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 25, 2009 10:03 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this proved to be correct

http://smokenmirrorsblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/waka_relaxxxin.gif

think we're not really arguing so much about 'best rap lyric of the year' so much as 'best rap catchphrase of the year'

j0rdan shutting down an argument by linking a search of a song title in twitter is some jason newsted "yes, we sell out ::claps hands:: every night, every seat in the house" shit

― ThePartyHater (some dude), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 7:23 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

sorry that i turned to an obvious place in order to show that many people find his lyrics memorable