Finally Rich - Chief Keef

Nah Future just about manages to put across a sense of yearning with his melodic autotune mumbles. keef is dead eyed and monotone.

Again: We're not talking about the same thing, deej. Future can say/sing/rap "I'm looking for her" - but that's something it's hard to imagine Keef saying. There's a very different sense of subjectivity in his stuff.

well for one during the verses there's an entire layer of vocals that's just a continuous stream of ad-libs as if there's a bunch of disembodied keef heads floating around whispering at each other

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:21 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i have absolutely no idea how this is different from how dozens of other rappers use ad libs/backup vocals

get thee to a pete rock and cl smooth album

i have absolutely no idea how this is different from how dozens of other rappers use ad libs/backup vocals

lil jon yelled iirc

Ca$h Out doesn't dub his ad-libs in he just has a parrot on his shoulder that repeats everything he says

haha Ca$h Out's "guy outside the vocal booth yelling encouragement" ad libs are hilarious

Again: We're not talking about the same thing, deej. Future can say/sing/rap "I'm looking for her" - but that's something it's hard to imagine Keef saying. There's a very different sense of subjectivity in his stuff.

― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wtf is a 'sense of subjectivity'

it would be funny if there was some other guy named Sosa that all of Keef's songs were written in praise of

*Alejandro Sosa blushes*

can somebody post their top 10 rhymes from "Finally Rich" please

chief keef and kaiser sosa

so you can compare it to 'deep' lyrically-oriented rap & scoff? no thanks

his lyrics are GOOD just not 'lyrical'

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz3m51W3QB1r861j5o1_500.jpg

his lyrics are GOOD just not 'lyrical'

Let's just ponder this statement for a while

Kind if wasn't expecting anyone to go for the "he's the Bernard Sumner of hip-hop" argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIcNgjqtO8Y

his lyrics perform a function. unfortunately it's not a very worthwhile or interesting function.

or fun even

I figured Sosa was a Sammy Sosa thing?

you guys are making age old rockist arguments just fyi

Perhaps we are if you didn't actually understand the age-old rockiest argument

"Rock music is superior to rap because the lyrics MEAN SOMETHING" is a rockist argument. "This dude has terrible lyrics in a genre driven by lyrics" is not a rockist argument.

Deej: it's about how they communicate what the experience of being them is like. Gucci, Future and Waka are way more conversational than Keef - they invite you to take part in their eccentricities in a way that Keef does not. Gucci is a pretty menacing type but he's still very much communicating/joking with the listener. It's unstable but the link is established. As for Future, you could sing/rap his songs to people and they would feel like you were trying to tell them something. Waka can be antisocial but he still invites you to partake in his emotions. Keef is... insular. I don't get the feeling that he's sharing or having a conversation or even looking at the "you" he's referring to in his lyrics. And I think that's partly why he can scare people. He's not TELLING us that he doesn't care. He just doesn't care. Or that's the impression I get anyway.

"This dude has terrible lyrics in a genre driven by lyrics" is not a rockist argument.

I think deej is ceding that rap is no longer driven by lyrics tbh

i am not ceding that nor do i think he has 'terrible' lyrics

you seem way more invested in narrative than lyrical prowess afaict

i also dont think longneck's description of his lyrics are true either--keef's shit is full of humor. i mean fuckin 'laughin to the bank' is the ultimate example. but 'i gets lots of commas, i can fuck your mama' is a funny lyric. calling himself & ballout the 'bang brothers' is a funny lyric.

people source 'lyrical prowess' in the wrong places

Does rap need to be "driven by lyrics"?

i gets lots of commas, i can fuck your mama' is a funny lyric

come on now

I haven't heard this, it kinda feels like when I used to read gawker recaps instead of actually watching jersey shore or real housewives

You can accuse me of making a conservative argument and I'd say "yup, guilty as charged" but it's not rockist

this thread has become explaining to shakey mo why your mama jokes are funny i want no part

As for Future, you could sing/rap his songs to people and they would feel like you were trying to tell them something.

is he lassie?

I am not describing his lyrics btw. I can definitely see the humour. But it's a new style.

Future Lassie? Sure. I'd buy that.

dude that line barely qualifies as a your mama joke, the second half has nothing to do with the first (and what is this "can" shit - wouldn't "did" or the active verb be funnier?) what a horribly formed joke etc

Keef is... insular. I don't get the feeling that he's sharing or having a conversation or even looking at the "you" he's referring to in his lyrics

is this actually something that's in the lyrics/music or is it your imagination b/c it seems wildly off base to me

i agree with deej that keef is basically humorous but that line is not a great example

oh now lex is weighing in on humor

If it's not in the lyrics I guess it must be in my imagination.

oh now lex is weighing in on humor

lol

I dunno, most Sosa lines I can think of are Scarface references so I went with that. Could be Sammy.

you guys are making age old rockist arguments just fyi

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:04 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

says the guy who says that people need a real background in hip hop in order to appreciate the diverseness of chief keef's album... ?

so you can compare it to 'deep' lyrically-oriented rap & scoff? no thanks

lol, lol, lol at you. no, friend, that's not why. it's so I can see if you can actually cite any good lyrics by this guy you rep. you can't, because he is a shitty rapper and terrible lyricist. I get that he gives you a vibe that you can then wax impressionistic ("bleary") bout. He's the witch house of rap. Congratulations on repping Salem.

bodied

I mean rap is a genre of lyrics for Christ's fucking sake, if a rapper writes shitty lyrics and can't rap then he sucks, this is easy. Lol for 1000 years at "it's rockist to want a rapper to be able to write something, anything, memorable." Rappers whose rhymes suck...are shitty rappers forever & ever & no amount of purple prose about their personae will ever change that. Jesus Christ internet rap dudes, if you wanna be into celebrity culture then get into Britney like the rest of the world but leave rap to people who like rapping

but he rhymed comma with mama!

I mean rap is a genre of lyrics for Christ's fucking sake, if a rapper writes shitty lyrics and can't rap then he sucks, this is easy. Lol for 1000 years at "it's rockist to want a rapper to be able to write something, anything, memorable." Rappers whose rhymes suck...are shitty rappers forever & ever & no amount of purple prose about their personae will ever change that. Jesus Christ internet rap dudes, if you wanna be into celebrity culture then get into Britney like the rest of the world but leave rap to people who like rapping

― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dog fuck you

'wax impressionistic' about? i was just talking about the production