Finally Rich - Chief Keef

i keep this shit over nine thousand

― regarding an eccentric and non-existent American Gladiator (crüt), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:33 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao good ref

actual q - can you bear this out a little more? do you mean that the general atmosphere is pretty homogenous and by comparison Keef's record has more variety? it's essentially a non-issue, there's plenty of good rap albums where there's very little variety, variety isn't necessarily a good thing. the problem is when stuff sounds all the same and the rapping sucks real bad, then you're left thinking "if you must rap so terribly at least mix up the grooves a little"

― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:39 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

well yeah i think that compared to albums by 2 chainz or future or stretching back further waka or jeezy or soulja boy -- all artists that are direct influences on keef... a group which i think is limited -- that 'finally rich' is more experimental in a lot of places... be it in terms of song structure ("kay kay" or "citgo") or his vocals ("no tomorrow" or "love sosa" or "hate being sober") or the mixing. the beats don't sound "more different" than a lot of rap albums but then again as al pointed out that's not always a good thing in rap.

i think the way that keef thinks about music is similar to wayne & gucci... probably my two favorite rappers of the last 10 or so years. i highly doubt that he'll ever reach those levels, but both of those rappers were really playful with their music and in turn were pop in a unique and organic way.

think my disappointment w/ the album stems from the hype I had been hearing about laughing to the bank and when I put it on it literally was the same exaggerated laugh sound I make when I am imitating a TV villain

― 乒乓, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:30 PM Bookmark

last I checked all the hype around "Laughing to the Bank" was of the "I like this song cause Keef does an exaggerated TV villain laugh" variety

how is "love sosa" more experimental or that different from any given garbled future space ballad

idk about 'more' but it sounds nothing like any of those songs, or any other rap song really. it's an original song w/ an original sound

But Keef is way more of an introvert than all these guys? It's as though he is communicating with his friends whereas Gucci, Future, Wayne are far more conversational rappers, although in very different ways.

i dont think thats what introvert means & i don't really see keef as being that radical compared to those guys either.

there's not much of a "you" in his songs - a "y'all" at best

maybe insular rather than introverted?

he's not really more radical than wayne/gucci/future but he's in the conversation... and those three have huge cults of personality surrounding them. wayne esp

maybe insular rather than introverted?

― hemioblock (The Reverend), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:15 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah - something something something subjectivity

how is "love sosa" more experimental or that different from any given garbled future space ballad

― lex pretend, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:03 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

well for one during the verses there's an entire layer of vocals that's just a continuous stream of ad-libs as if there's a bunch of disembodied keef heads floating around whispering at each other

https://twitter.com/bdotTM/status/288735106271674368

hey cool, me too! wait a second...

lmao @ "there's been a lot of race baiting"

maybe insular rather than introverted?

― hemioblock (The Reverend), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:15 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah - something something something subjectivity

― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:20 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's close to what people (me included) have used to refer to by "blankness" but not quite. Gucci, Wayne, Future and even Waka all have pretty elaborate selves that can do things and be things. Keef just isn't there in a way. I think that's where he departs from his (short) "tradition". What Jordan is referring to above as "a bunch of disembodied keef heads floating around whispering to each other" is kinda what I'm after.

you mean "race bating"

'bating

who is master bating?

go 'way, batin

Woah guys! Thanks had a long day of airports/air travel, got me through

Only thing I'll add is Molly Hatchett is NOT metal, they are southern rock, lots of ppl get that twisted because of the album art

It's close to what people (me included) have used to refer to by "blankness" but not quite. Gucci, Wayne, Future and even Waka all have pretty elaborate selves that can do things and be things. Keef just isn't there in a way. I think that's where he departs from his (short) "tradition". What Jordan is referring to above as "a bunch of disembodied keef heads floating around whispering to each other" is kinda what I'm after.

― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:25 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dont really get this at all. Future is way more 'blank' or less 'present' as a personality in his music than keef is to me

lmao

I feel like there is a Speed-style scenario going on here that we aren't privy to, like some Dennis Hopper-ish figure is pointing a gun at deej's head and forcing him to paint Chief Keef as the most thrilling, distinctive, talented and multi-faceted artist of his generation every (x) minutes or he'll pull the trigger

Nah Future just about manages to put across a sense of yearning with his melodic autotune mumbles. keef is dead eyed and monotone.

Again: We're not talking about the same thing, deej. Future can say/sing/rap "I'm looking for her" - but that's something it's hard to imagine Keef saying. There's a very different sense of subjectivity in his stuff.

well for one during the verses there's an entire layer of vocals that's just a continuous stream of ad-libs as if there's a bunch of disembodied keef heads floating around whispering at each other

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:21 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i have absolutely no idea how this is different from how dozens of other rappers use ad libs/backup vocals

get thee to a pete rock and cl smooth album

i have absolutely no idea how this is different from how dozens of other rappers use ad libs/backup vocals

lil jon yelled iirc

Ca$h Out doesn't dub his ad-libs in he just has a parrot on his shoulder that repeats everything he says

haha Ca$h Out's "guy outside the vocal booth yelling encouragement" ad libs are hilarious

Again: We're not talking about the same thing, deej. Future can say/sing/rap "I'm looking for her" - but that's something it's hard to imagine Keef saying. There's a very different sense of subjectivity in his stuff.

― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wtf is a 'sense of subjectivity'

it would be funny if there was some other guy named Sosa that all of Keef's songs were written in praise of

*Alejandro Sosa blushes*

can somebody post their top 10 rhymes from "Finally Rich" please

chief keef and kaiser sosa

so you can compare it to 'deep' lyrically-oriented rap & scoff? no thanks

his lyrics are GOOD just not 'lyrical'

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz3m51W3QB1r861j5o1_500.jpg

his lyrics are GOOD just not 'lyrical'

Let's just ponder this statement for a while

Kind if wasn't expecting anyone to go for the "he's the Bernard Sumner of hip-hop" argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIcNgjqtO8Y

his lyrics perform a function. unfortunately it's not a very worthwhile or interesting function.

or fun even

I figured Sosa was a Sammy Sosa thing?

you guys are making age old rockist arguments just fyi

Perhaps we are if you didn't actually understand the age-old rockiest argument

"Rock music is superior to rap because the lyrics MEAN SOMETHING" is a rockist argument. "This dude has terrible lyrics in a genre driven by lyrics" is not a rockist argument.

Deej: it's about how they communicate what the experience of being them is like. Gucci, Future and Waka are way more conversational than Keef - they invite you to take part in their eccentricities in a way that Keef does not. Gucci is a pretty menacing type but he's still very much communicating/joking with the listener. It's unstable but the link is established. As for Future, you could sing/rap his songs to people and they would feel like you were trying to tell them something. Waka can be antisocial but he still invites you to partake in his emotions. Keef is... insular. I don't get the feeling that he's sharing or having a conversation or even looking at the "you" he's referring to in his lyrics. And I think that's partly why he can scare people. He's not TELLING us that he doesn't care. He just doesn't care. Or that's the impression I get anyway.

"This dude has terrible lyrics in a genre driven by lyrics" is not a rockist argument.

I think deej is ceding that rap is no longer driven by lyrics tbh

i am not ceding that nor do i think he has 'terrible' lyrics

you seem way more invested in narrative than lyrical prowess afaict