like chief keef literally sounds like vegeta from dragon ball z
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
haha yeah when i heard it i was like "this is just 50/Yayo's Straight To The Bank" xp
― ThePartyHater (some dude), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:31 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark
i love it but i was surprised how many ppl had apparently forgot about this song
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
/thread
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
i keep this shit over nine thousand
― regarding an eccentric and non-existent American Gladiator (crüt), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
again -- finally rich sounds "samey" in a very broad context. very broad. but in the context from which it was birthed i think it's more inventive in various ways than a lot of albums.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, January 8, 2013 9:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's way more varied than his mixtape was and in a good way. Somehow I can't see any great epiphanies arising from this debate on variation though.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
yeah 'back from the dead' was WAY more 'samey' or consistent in that recession/flockaveli sense
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
yes
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
but in the context from which it was birthed i think it's more inventive in various ways than a lot of albums.
actual q - can you bear this out a little more? do you mean that the general atmosphere is pretty homogenous and by comparison Keef's record has more variety? it's essentially a non-issue, there's plenty of good rap albums where there's very little variety, variety isn't necessarily a good thing. the problem is when stuff sounds all the same and the rapping sucks real bad, then you're left thinking "if you must rap so terribly at least mix up the grooves a little"
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
of course the mixtape produced by one dude (i guess? dunno if it's all young chop) and only featuring other young chicago guys is going to sound more uniform than the major label album only half-produced by that one dude and featuring several stars with established styles
― ThePartyHater (some dude), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
i mean if we're comparing Finally Rich solely to street rap mixtapes, yes, those tend to not be especially varied. i thought we were comparing them to other rap albums on the Billboard 200.
― ThePartyHater (some dude), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
― regarding an eccentric and non-existent American Gladiator (crüt), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:33 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao good ref
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:39 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
well yeah i think that compared to albums by 2 chainz or future or stretching back further waka or jeezy or soulja boy -- all artists that are direct influences on keef... a group which i think is limited -- that 'finally rich' is more experimental in a lot of places... be it in terms of song structure ("kay kay" or "citgo") or his vocals ("no tomorrow" or "love sosa" or "hate being sober") or the mixing. the beats don't sound "more different" than a lot of rap albums but then again as al pointed out that's not always a good thing in rap.
i think the way that keef thinks about music is similar to wayne & gucci... probably my two favorite rappers of the last 10 or so years. i highly doubt that he'll ever reach those levels, but both of those rappers were really playful with their music and in turn were pop in a unique and organic way.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
think my disappointment w/ the album stems from the hype I had been hearing about laughing to the bank and when I put it on it literally was the same exaggerated laugh sound I make when I am imitating a TV villain
― 乒乓, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:30 PM Bookmark
last I checked all the hype around "Laughing to the Bank" was of the "I like this song cause Keef does an exaggerated TV villain laugh" variety
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
how is "love sosa" more experimental or that different from any given garbled future space ballad
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
idk about 'more' but it sounds nothing like any of those songs, or any other rap song really. it's an original song w/ an original sound
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
But Keef is way more of an introvert than all these guys? It's as though he is communicating with his friends whereas Gucci, Future, Wayne are far more conversational rappers, although in very different ways.
― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
i dont think thats what introvert means & i don't really see keef as being that radical compared to those guys either.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
there's not much of a "you" in his songs - a "y'all" at best
― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
maybe insular rather than introverted?
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
he's not really more radical than wayne/gucci/future but he's in the conversation... and those three have huge cults of personality surrounding them. wayne esp
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
― hemioblock (The Reverend), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:15 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah - something something something subjectivity
― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:03 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark
well for one during the verses there's an entire layer of vocals that's just a continuous stream of ad-libs as if there's a bunch of disembodied keef heads floating around whispering at each other
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/bdotTM/status/288735106271674368
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
hey cool, me too! wait a second...
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
lmao @ "there's been a lot of race baiting"
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:20 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's close to what people (me included) have used to refer to by "blankness" but not quite. Gucci, Wayne, Future and even Waka all have pretty elaborate selves that can do things and be things. Keef just isn't there in a way. I think that's where he departs from his (short) "tradition". What Jordan is referring to above as "a bunch of disembodied keef heads floating around whispering to each other" is kinda what I'm after.
― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
you mean "race bating"
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
'bating
― regarding an eccentric and non-existent American Gladiator (crüt), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
who is master bating?
― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
go 'way, batin
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
Woah guys! Thanks had a long day of airports/air travel, got me through
Only thing I'll add is Molly Hatchett is NOT metal, they are southern rock, lots of ppl get that twisted because of the album art
― Andrew WKRP (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:25 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i dont really get this at all. Future is way more 'blank' or less 'present' as a personality in his music than keef is to me
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
lmao
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like there is a Speed-style scenario going on here that we aren't privy to, like some Dennis Hopper-ish figure is pointing a gun at deej's head and forcing him to paint Chief Keef as the most thrilling, distinctive, talented and multi-faceted artist of his generation every (x) minutes or he'll pull the trigger
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
Nah Future just about manages to put across a sense of yearning with his melodic autotune mumbles. keef is dead eyed and monotone.
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
Again: We're not talking about the same thing, deej. Future can say/sing/rap "I'm looking for her" - but that's something it's hard to imagine Keef saying. There's a very different sense of subjectivity in his stuff.
― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:21 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i have absolutely no idea how this is different from how dozens of other rappers use ad libs/backup vocals
― ThePartyHater (some dude), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
get thee to a pete rock and cl smooth album
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
lil jon yelled iirc
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
Ca$h Out doesn't dub his ad-libs in he just has a parrot on his shoulder that repeats everything he says
― regarding an eccentric and non-existent American Gladiator (crüt), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
haha Ca$h Out's "guy outside the vocal booth yelling encouragement" ad libs are hilarious
― ThePartyHater (some dude), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wtf is a 'sense of subjectivity'
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
it would be funny if there was some other guy named Sosa that all of Keef's songs were written in praise of
― ThePartyHater (some dude), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
*Alejandro Sosa blushes*
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
can somebody post their top 10 rhymes from "Finally Rich" please
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
chief keef and kaiser sosa
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
so you can compare it to 'deep' lyrically-oriented rap & scoff? no thanks
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
his lyrics are GOOD just not 'lyrical'
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz3m51W3QB1r861j5o1_500.jpg
― regarding an eccentric and non-existent American Gladiator (crüt), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
Let's just ponder this statement for a while
Kind if wasn't expecting anyone to go for the "he's the Bernard Sumner of hip-hop" argument
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link