It's not like some gross 50s hipster jerking off to field recordings, it's professional pop critics listening to one of the few rap albums in 2013 that has promotion behind it. If the problem is white people celebrating nihilism, start by blaming Jimmy Iovene
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 13:40 (eleven years ago) link
(it had promotion behind it?)
And the question people should be asking, of course, is why there are not more (great) professional black critics. That is pretty bewildering, actually.
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 13:45 (eleven years ago) link
It's not like some gross 50s hipster jerking off to field recordings,
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
lol, no it isn't
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
Why not?
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
there ARE many great black critics writing about rap (although to make a list feels i dunno wrong?). thing is, one of them is/was Elliott Wilson, who is B.Dot's boss and doesn't really seem to be interested in using their site for serious longform criticism, which makes the whole catalyst of this controversy a little ridiculous.
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
"son/daughter, we are spending most of our savings and taking out massive loans for your college degree! What are you going to do with this fantastic opportunity? BTW if your answer is not 'become a doctor/lawyer/banker' I will smack all the black off of you"
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
haha can you imagine Theo telling Cliff he was gonna go write for The Source
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure Theo Huxtable would have been a great rap critic but as long as people do become other things than lawyers, doctors and bankers and some even have a talent for writing I should think there would be room for a few critics as well?
― dyslectic Christ Brown (longneck), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
i do think plenty of rap critics would love depictions of violence in neighborhoods closer to them too, look at odd future
― da croupier, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaah DJP
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
replace 'black' with 'yellow' and that is my life
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
I think slavery, nepotism, institutionalized racism, the slow death of print news media and the devaluation of writing as a paid skill shouldn't have happened either but guess what
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
honestly surprised how many people have responded to solange's tweets etc by skipping past "yes some good points, but i know what i'm doing as a critic" and going straight to "stfu hater!"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
xp dayo, it's only going to be magnified in the Ivy environment too, because those schools are crucibles for doctors/lawyers/bankers/professors/businessppl; the only ppl of color I know that don't fall into those buckets are either singers from musical families or come from super, super rich families and never had to worry about having a career that made money
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
come from super, super rich families and never had to worry about having a career that made money
haha these are like all the people I know from school and I always rmde a lil' when I see on my fb feed that one of them just signed w/ a 'literary agent' or w/e
of course I also rmde when I see that they went to law/business/med school
are there no honorable professions left anymore
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's weird that there's no debate about whether wealthy white record executives can sell thousands and thousands of Chief Keef records to middle class white suburban teens, just about whether a tiny handful of white hipsters can say they enjoy it on the Internet
whiney's all for knocking white hipsters, but don't take away their ability to make money by reviewing rap albums, come on!
― da croupier, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
whiney is great at seeing creepiness in all things but his own creepiness
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
software! (he says with zero self-interest, none at all)
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
come on croup, u really can't be trolling that hard, dude? I'm OUT HERE protecting the $150 Jayson Greene made of Chief Keef, gtfo idiot
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
you want people to leave white hipsters alone and fight the real enemy, i get it
― da croupier, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
maybe ppl are just skeptical that the only thing underlining critical raves of chief keef is the excellent quality of his music
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
well yes, because the music is straight-up garbage
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 7:40 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Like Macklemore!
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
since when are professional pop critics not gross hipsters jerking off anyway?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
i'm saying hipsters aren't writing these reviews in a bubble and J0rdan, who also reviews like Justin Bieber records, is reviewing a pop phenomenon like he would any other thing vetted by a major label.
Also, yes, I'm ALL IN 100% for knocking on white hipsters, especially since they're doing way more disgusting things with black music than "writing positive reviews of it"
eg: www.facebook.com/events/408203589260930
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.facebook.com/events/408203589260930
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
i know you're still hard on hipsters, it's just sweet to see you sympathize with their desire to review pop product on the internet even when you know how it's part of a horrible system
― da croupier, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
i never said it was part of a horrible system? why are you putting words in my mouth you fucking creep
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
i mean i thought you might throw those fools into the fire and leave the critic game to those in the know, but here you are pointing out how they're only following orders
― da croupier, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
can i put forward that there are a lot of conflicts w/in the black community that keef is underlining so when white ppl are perceived to be taking sides in that it probably seems a bit weird too
i.e. generation gap is obviously a HUGE thing. & there's also class & geography.
so when Hip White Critic does his ACTUALLY DUBSTEP IS KIND OF GOOD to gangster rap there are all these other dimensions to it
i can tell you being in nyc for 3 months that simply the level of segregation here isnt even on par w/ how it is in chicago ... you dont have middle class Lincoln Park (chicago) white people living in Bronzeville in chicago, but they waltz around harlem (many parts of) like they own the place etc. it's just a completely different level of interaction.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
i think one of the things about keef is he makes guys like this seem Really Old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktSslqEcTREI chose this example b/c it sounds like French is biting a Keef hook
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
aw, the google cache for "A Match Made In Harlem" has expired already
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
n.o.r.e. doesn't really need help seeming old
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
lol internet white guys get crazy defensive if anybody suggests there's cultural tourism present in getting excited about "nihilism" in black music (not a shot at u deej, though I still think yr nuts to rep for this guy's rapping)
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
kind of feel keef's defenders are leaning a biiiiit too heavily on the "young people like him, u old" defense
not saying it's inaccurate but it's not great criticism
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
it's not music criticism, we're talking about the controversy
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
i think if deej and j0rd fail to see the forest for the trees it's from being in chicago during keef's rise -- i've been writing about local rap passionately for ages and basically bending over backwards to avoid the kind of hyperbolic homerism they keep setting off all my red flags for
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
when bossman signs his 3 million dollar interscope deal we'll look pretty foolish
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
he signed a 2.5 mil sony deal 8 years ago -- that kind of thing going nowhere is exactly why i go "who fuckin cares" when people trot out the supposed hugeness of keef's contract
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
if they weren't going to be extraordinarily overpriced I'd buy you a pair of beats by keef's for xmas next year
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
i heard that Keef's headphones play the beat 2 seconds of where you lay down your vocals
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
of=off
LOL
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
some dude I have beef with you now that you fucked up that joke
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
sorry :(
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
"I see that Dr. Dre, whose name is virtually synonymous with state-of-the-art studio perfectionism and sonic excellence, made a lot of money with branded headphones. think we can do that with the kid whose album sounds like a mixtape made in a basement that we tacked Rick Ross verses onto? sure, why not"
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
tbf dr. dre's are overpriced rip-offs so you're criticizing the marketing alone
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
if these posts interfere with the line of high-end studio monitors I'm trying to broker with Lil B I'm gonna be pissed
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link