Oops, it actually ranked #55 amongst all RYM users in all genres (I forgot my usual filters to tame the metal/prog slant of RYM's demographic). Still, huge disparity with the #640 rank from the acclaimed poll of polls.
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Saturday, 22 December 2012 18:22 (thirteen years ago)
yeah you could probably make all sorts of observations about various artists if you just compared Rate Your Music rankings to Acclaimed Music rankings
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Saturday, 22 December 2012 18:23 (thirteen years ago)
XXP: Razorlight being taken seriously in the UK as front cover stars/fit to play above Slayer on the main stage of Reading Festival, is entirely down to the preternaturally persuasive campaign launched by a husband wife/ manager PR team, so it's skill rather than size I think.
Also with Florence I can confirm her PR team was formidable. We got bollocked by them. One of their own team got threatened with the axe after he publicly endorsed our (slightly snide and misjudged by me) article on her. The whole experience felt like abseiling into a volcano.
PR people in America can be quite bracing especially if you're talking about classic rock but that said, Ken Weinstein at Q Prime for Metallica was a sweetheart. Nothing compares to some German metal labels however, who in past have made anonymous phone calls to me with voice disguising technology in the middle of the night to tell me that my career was over because of a mocking review.
Also, see Django Django, Crystal Castles, Alt J, Everything Everything etc etc. The horse trading you're supposed to indulge in to even get near to these bands is deeply unpleasant.
The majority of PR people in the UK are ace though. I'm sure I've got more social friends who are PRs than journalists. A really good PR is better for the artist than a mediocre writer. IMHO.
― Doran, Saturday, 22 December 2012 20:19 (thirteen years ago)
haha the multiple stories about florence's heavy-handed PR. i guess editors are on the receiving end of that more than writers, worst i've had to deal with are a few overly stern ones
being nice is a way more effective PR strategy ime (though it's still a PR strategy! i have thought, well, that act that a lot of critics seem to like inexplicably, their PR is a really genuinely lovely guy, hmmm)
― lex pretend, Saturday, 22 December 2012 20:33 (thirteen years ago)
Yeah, I don't cover bands if the PR tries to play hardball with us or indulge in horsetrading as a matter of principle but if the PR person is nice/ funny/ whatever, that can persuade me to go back for an extra few listens.
You've got to know what you're doing though. PR is a dark art. A one man, neo nazi punk rock band sent me a fiver with his cassette. I wrote back thanking him and said that I'd passed his details on to the police and a prominent Anti Nazi magazine. He then self released two singles, 'We Hate You John Doran' and 'Why Don't You Stick This Album Up Your Arse You Sarcastic Creep'. When I gave them bad reviews in Metal Hammer he went mad and attacked his neighbour with a Samurai sword, breaking his arm. He remains, to this day in a secure psychiatric ward unfit to plead. But he had phone privileges for the first year. Which is why Metal Hammer received a death threat for me at 9pm every night for over 300 days.
I think it's good to have an exit strategy when you decide to take a more unorthodox angry PR style with people.
― Doran, Saturday, 22 December 2012 20:58 (thirteen years ago)
I realize Germany and Japan were allies and all, but is a samurai sword really an appropriate weapon for a neo-nazi?
― Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Saturday, 22 December 2012 21:02 (thirteen years ago)
He didn't strike me as particularly bright - or like a man who had aesthetic criteria when it came to choosing weaponry. I kept some of the death threats he sent to me on cassette... he raps on some of them. I found them dead funny until the sword business. Then it was like, 'Right then Mr Fancy Pants media guy in Chattering Class London, taking on the authentic voice of the streets of Portsmouth are we? Not on my watch.'
― Doran, Saturday, 22 December 2012 21:05 (thirteen years ago)
how so?
tbh it seems like britishers are always the most vocal to boost female rappers like that lately. i was in england for a couple months earlier this year and it seemed like folks were way more jazzed about, like, azealia banks there than here, even years ago trina's singles seemed to pop more over there than america. feel free to prove me wrong on this, i don't know shit
― one bish two bish red bish blue bish (fadanuf4erybody), Saturday, 22 December 2012 22:06 (thirteen years ago)
america is pretty sexist about female rappers
― Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Saturday, 22 December 2012 22:47 (thirteen years ago)
yup
― crüt, Saturday, 22 December 2012 23:16 (thirteen years ago)
Fuck "lately", wasn't the UK the place where like Monie Love and Wee Papa Girls got started?
― finally rich, fun-packed, fulfilling (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 22 December 2012 23:44 (thirteen years ago)
Doran, did this guy have a strong Cornish accent by any chance? This is very reminiscent of someone who used to pester my mate's old band by phone and mail.
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Sunday, 23 December 2012 00:05 (thirteen years ago)
― one bish two bish red bish blue bish (fadanuf4erybody), Saturday, December 22, 2012 10:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
plausible, i always thought kim and trina were huge in the US though. oh well score one for us
― lex pretend, Sunday, 23 December 2012 01:14 (thirteen years ago)
kim was a big deal in her time, trina was kind of a mid level star
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Sunday, 23 December 2012 01:29 (thirteen years ago)
Yeah, Trina was popular but never huge. The difference between Kim's time and now is more than one female rapper was allowed to be on the radio.
― Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Sunday, 23 December 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)
uh, doesn't look like Trina's any bigger in the UK than here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trina_discography
― Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Sunday, 23 December 2012 02:51 (thirteen years ago)
i'm a liar, a filthy liar
(i actually have no idea where that idea came from)
― one bish two bish red bish blue bish (fadanuf4erybody), Sunday, 23 December 2012 02:53 (thirteen years ago)
trina's uk chart positions are very kind to her if anything, i don't remember her being a thing here at any point outside of my own immediate orbit
as for kim i think a lot more people in the uk know who she is than could name or sing any of her songs ("lighters up" is oddly the one people always seem to hit on first)
The difference between Kim's time and now is more than one female rapper was allowed to be on the radio.
this one-female-rapper-at-a-time thing is a bit of a myth imo (one designed to KEEP FEMALE RAPPERS DOWN) - i was talking to iggy azalea the other week and we were both like, hang on, this has never actually been true, missy/eve/kim/trina/remy ma and prob a few more were all concurrent-to-overlapping
― lex pretend, Sunday, 23 December 2012 08:38 (thirteen years ago)
thankfully for iggy there are no other slave masters on the radio right now, so she has that lane clear to herself
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 23 December 2012 08:47 (thirteen years ago)
Let's go back to the early aughts and look at Good Charlotte. I can't explain their sudden rise to prominence through any other means besides [killer PR] a bunch of hooky, memorable singles.
True for anyone. Nobody is going to say something is good unless they personally like it.
The sense of value judgement about acts who have bigger PR teams is just ancient bullshit IMO. It's not a dark art of mind control or some shit.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Sunday, 23 December 2012 09:21 (thirteen years ago)
A one man, neo nazi punk rock band sent me a fiver with his cassette. I wrote back thanking him and said that I'd passed his details on to the police and a prominent Anti Nazi magazine. He then self released two singles, 'We Hate You John Doran' and 'Why Don't You Stick This Album Up Your Arse You Sarcastic Creep'.
Wtf, btw.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Sunday, 23 December 2012 09:24 (thirteen years ago)
Razorlight being taken seriously in the UK as front cover stars/fit to play above Slayer on the main stage of Reading Festival
lol at 'fit to play'
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 23 December 2012 09:25 (thirteen years ago)
reading festival promoters failing to uphold objective standards of musical integrity and quality and just bowing to corporate propoganda ;_;
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 23 December 2012 09:26 (thirteen years ago)
who was arguing this? and what, precisely, do you think PR teams are paid for?
― lex pretend, Sunday, 23 December 2012 09:35 (thirteen years ago)
― lex pretend, Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:38 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nah Rev was saying that there USED to be more than one female rapper in the mainstream spotlight at once in the days of Missy and Kim and Eve and so on, but in the era of Nicki (and the 5 years before her that nobody female was really poppin') it feels like there's not as much room being made for multiple stars.
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Sunday, 23 December 2012 12:08 (thirteen years ago)
Music industry economics really, why bother with multiple stars, who are expensive and risky, when you can take one surefire bankable one and throw all your ideas at them? See also Rihanna. And I don't think anyone from the late 90s/early 00s had the sort of ridiculous workrate of those two.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 23 December 2012 12:47 (thirteen years ago)
well there are still as many rap stars as ever, this is about all but one being male instead of all but a handful
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Sunday, 23 December 2012 12:52 (thirteen years ago)
Well yeah there's the institutional sexism thing as well, in that the music business is prepared to invest and support multiple male rappers and even let some of them do it on their own terms. But I can't envisage them really bothering with a female rapper who they couldn't simultaneously push as a mainstream pop star, and Nicki is really canny and supremely good at her own positioning. But it's virtually impossible to imagine a female Rick Ross existing or succeeding.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 23 December 2012 13:05 (thirteen years ago)
true. a lot of the female rappers trying to get in the door have pop star ambitions just as overt as Nicki's though. a "female Rick Ross" (has any phrase ever had such disturbing connotations?) could happen, but gangsta type female MCs never had a big presence to begin with.
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Sunday, 23 December 2012 13:08 (thirteen years ago)
10 Pig Destroyer – Book Burner (OK but they've still never topped Terrifyer and never will)
month late on this but Phantom Limb is a better album than Terrifyer
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 23 December 2012 13:12 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.theworld.org/2012/12/global-hit-picks-for-2012/
7 or so lists from folks involved with this public radio show. Not much metal or r'n'b.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 23 December 2012 16:20 (thirteen years ago)
I said, "the sense", that doesn't imply an argument, it implies a prejudice.
PR is about promoting awareness, not duping the eternal everyone whom the casual rockist assumes to be thick and duped in every decision they make.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Sunday, 23 December 2012 21:10 (thirteen years ago)
PReeple
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 23 December 2012 21:13 (thirteen years ago)
horse-trading for access is gross.
― maura, Sunday, 23 December 2012 21:14 (thirteen years ago)
also i mean it doesn't exactly engender trust with the reader
― maura, Sunday, 23 December 2012 21:15 (thirteen years ago)
lol j0rdan
― flopson, Sunday, 23 December 2012 21:19 (thirteen years ago)
I linked to my year-end summary last week, and here's the overall top 100. I also finished my mix last weekend, 100 songs, 1.2 GB, 9 hours, 31 minutes, 56 seconds. It's linked from the usual cover image at the beginning of the summary. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Kwanza, Solstice, Krampusnacht, and holidaze!
Fast 'n' Bulbous Best of 201201. Colour Haze – She Said (Elektrohasch) 02. Ufomammut – Oro: Opus Primum & Opus Alter (Neurot)03. Graveyard – Lights Out (Nuclear Blast)04. Witchcraft – Legend (Nuclear Blast)05. Troubled Horse – Step Inside (Rise Above/Metal Blade) 06. Gojira – L'Enfant Sauvage (Roadrunner)07. Golden Void – Golden Void (Thrill Jockey) 08. Royal Thunder – CVI (Relapse)09. Spiders – Flash Point (Crusher) 10. Christian Mistress – Possession (Relapse)11. Motorpsycho & Ståle Storløkken – The Death Defying Unicorn (Rune Grammofon) 12. Goat – World Music (Rocket) 13. At Devil Dirt – Chapter II (Vulgo gratissimus auctor) (At Devil Dirt)14. Wo Fat – The Black Code (Small Stone)15. Horisont – Second Assault (Rise Above)16. Captain Crimson – Dancing Madly Backwards (Transubstans)17. Jess and the Ancient Ones – Jess and the Ancient Ones (Svart)18. Torche – Harmonicraft (Volcom)19. Om – Advaitic Songs (Drag City) 20. Baroness – Yellow & Green (Relapse)21. Moon Duo – Circles (Sacred Bones) 22. Bong – Mana-Yood-Sushai (Ritual Productions) 23. Crippled Black Phoenix – (Mankind) The Crafty Ape (Cool Green) 24. Corsair – Corsair (Corsair)25. Castle – Blacklands (Ván/Prosthetic)26. Witch Mountain – Cauldron Of The Wild (Profound Lore)27. Venomous Maximus – Beg Upon The Light (Cutthroat)28. Sun Araw & M.G. Gengras Meet The Congos – Icon Give Thank (FRKWYS) 29. My Sleeping Karma – Soma (Napalm)30. Wight – Through The Woods Into Deep Water (Bilocation/Fat & Holy)31. Peaking Lights – Lucifer/Lucifer In Dub (Mexican Summer) 32. Swans – The Seer (Young God) 33. Tame Impala – Lonerism (Modular) 34. Deep Time – Deep Time (Hardly Art) 35. Andy Stott – Luxury Problems (Modern Love) 36. Owl – First Album (Magick Hermit/Lummox)37. Dawnbringer – Into The Lair Of The Sun God (Profound Lore)38. Maxïmo Park – The National Health (Warp/Straight To The Sun) 39. Greenleaf – Nest Of Vipers (Small Stone)40. Glowsun – Eternal Season (Napalm)41. Black Moth – The Killing Jar (New Heavy Sounds)42. Six Organs Of Admittance – Ascent (Drag City) 43. The Machine – Calmer Than You Are (Elektrohasch) 44. The Sword – Apocryphon (Razor & Tie) 45. Admiral Sir Cloudesley Shovell – Don't Hear It?Fear It! (Rise Above/Metal Blade)46. Staff Benda Bilili – Bouger le Monde! (Crammed Discs)47. Kadavar – Kadavar (Tee Pee)48. Heat – Old Sparky (Electric Magic)49. Orcus Chylde – Orcus Chylde (World In Sound) 50. Elder – Spires Burn EP (Armageddon)51. Alunah – White Hoarhound (PsycheDOOMelic)52. Zombie Zombie – Rituels d'un Nouveau Monde (Versatile) 53. Light Asylum – Light Asylum (Mexican Summer) 54. Liars – WIXIW (Mute) 55. Lau Nau – Valohiukkanen (Fonal) 56. Wovenhand – The Laughing Stalk (Sounds Familyre)57. Sierra Leone's Refugee Allstars – Radio Salone (Cumbancha) 58. Ice Dragon – Dream Dragon (Yersinia Pestis)59. Mamont – Passing Through The Mastery Door (Ozium)60. Trippy Wicked & the Cosmic Children of the Knight – Going Home (Trippy Wicked)61. High On Fire – De Vermis Mysteriis (eOne) 62. Royal Baths – Better Luck Next Time (Kanine) 63. Wild Nothing – Nocturne (Captured Tracks) 64. Dos Cafundós – Capitão Coração (Far Out) 65. Tom Zé – Tropicalia Lixo Logico (Passarinho) 66. Wadada Leo Smith – Ten Freedom Summers (Cuneiform) 67. Deepspacepilots – Deepspacepilots (Deepspacepilots)68. Dinosaur Jr. – I Bet On Sky (Jagjaguwar) 69. Japandroids – Celebration Rock (Polyvinyl) 70. O.Children – Apnea (Deadly People) 71. Ice Dragon – Tome Of The Future Ancients (Yersinia Pestis)72. Ivy Garden Of The Desert – Blood Is Love (Nasoni) 73. Snail – Terminus (Snail)74. Marissa Nadler – The Sister (Box of Cedar)75. Wymond Miles – Under The Pale Moon (Sacred Bones) 76. Bnegao & Seletores De Frequencia – Sintoniza La (Coqueiro Verde) 77. Amadou & Mariam – Folila (Nonesuch) 78. Baby Woodrose – Third Eye Surgery (Bad Afro) 79. Conan – Monnos (Burning World)80. Ancestors – In Dreams And Time (Tee Pee) 81. Dan Deacon – America (Domino) 82. Grand Magus – The Hunt (Nuclear Blast) 83. Gallon Drunk – The Road Gets Darker From Here (Clouds Hill) 84. The Touré-Raichel Collective – The Tel Aviv Session (Cumbancha) 85. Neneh Cherry & The Thing – The Cherry Thing (Smalltown Supersound) 86. Aqua Nebula Oscillator – Third (Tee Pee) 87. Cortez – Cortez (Cortez)88. Turing Machine – What Is The Meaning Of What (Temporary Residence) 89. Stacian – Songs For Cadets (Moniker)90. Beach House – Bloom (Sub Pop) 91. Orange Goblin – A Eulogy For The Damned (Candlelight)92. Lento – Anxiety Despair Languish (Denovali) 93. Rival Sons – Head Down (Earache) 94. Gypsyhawk – Revelry & Resilence (Metal Blade) 95. Alcest – Les Voyages de l'Âme (Prophecy) 96. Talk Normal – Sunshine (Joyful Noise) 97. The Random Kids – Paint It All Gold (Random Kids)98. Grass Widow – Internal Logic (HLR) 99. White Manna – White Manna (Holy Mountain) 100. Nude Beach – II (Other Music)
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 24 December 2012 19:02 (thirteen years ago)
OTM. i've felt so alone about this. all the reviews of book burner are like "a return to form after phantom limb" and i'm like "what"
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 24 December 2012 20:12 (thirteen years ago)
stop spamming
― J0rdan S., Monday, 24 December 2012 20:40 (thirteen years ago)
goddamn, Fastnbulbous, yr year-end summary is incredible. kudos.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 09:58 (thirteen years ago)
Big Haas Top 5 Hip-Hop Releases from the Middle East
Omar Offendum – SyrianamericanaAsfalt – Ana SatreenThe Narcicyst – Leap of FaithArabian Knightz – RebelShadia Mansour – El Kofeyye Arabeyye
from PRI the world, syndicated public radio show
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 17:16 (thirteen years ago)
http://latinmusic.about.com/od/playlists/tp/Top-Latin-Songs-2012.htm
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 04:55 (thirteen years ago)
http://africasacountry.com/2012/12/26/the-top-10-african-music-videos-of-2012/
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 15:46 (thirteen years ago)
End Of Year List of 'Sterreplaten', Belgian Radio show:
A-ZBurial - Kindred EP Flying Horseman - Twist Frank Ocean - Channel Orange Grimes - Visions John Maus - A Collection Of Rarities And Previously Unreleased Material John Talabot - Fin Laurel Halo - Quarantine Raime - Quarter Turns Over A Living Line Sam Flax - Age Waves Swans - The Seer Ty Segall - Slaughterhouse Vessel - Order Of Noise
Audio for the Dutch speaking part of ILX: www.mixcloud.com/Sterrenplaten/sterrenplaten-eindejaar-21-december-2012
― maarten, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 17:38 (thirteen years ago)
should "personal best of the year" be a different thread? not that i wanna post my own list or start that thread myself, just saying maybe that could be the place if people wanna link to their own blog or something.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 18:43 (thirteen years ago)
some of those african tracks are great
― flopson, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 19:13 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/critics-best-top-music-2012/Content?oid=8243121
Peter Margasak's top 5 international list is headed by a more traditional sounding afropop artist, Paris-based Malian singer, acoustic guitarist Fatoumata Diawara, Fatou (World Circuit/Nonesuch)
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 20:49 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.newworldbuzz.com/2012.html
1Amadou & Mariam | Folila | Nonesuch2Rodrigo Y Gabriela & C.U.B.A. | Area 52 | ATO-Red3Novalima | Karimba | ELS Music4Tinariwen | Tassili | Anti-5Marisa Monte | O Que Você Quer Saber De Verdade | Blue Note6Antibalas | Antibalas | Daptone7Jimmy Cliff | Rebirth | Trojan8Bonga | Hora Kota | Lusafrica9Afrolicious | A Dub For Mali | ESL10VA | Samaya: A Benefit Album For Cheb i Sabbah | Six Degrees11Te Vaka | Havili | Warm Earth12Staff Benda Bilili | Bouger Le Monde | Crammed Discs13Chicha Libre | Canibalismo | Barbes14Nation Beat | Growing Stone | Barbes15Midnite | Kings Bell | I Grade16Fatoumata Diawara | Fatou | Nonesuch17Lila Downs | Pecados Y Milagros | Sony18Bibi Tanga & The Selenites | 40º of Sunshine | Nat Geo19Céu | Caravana Sereia Bloom | Six Degrees20DRC Music | Kinshasa One Two | Warp21Sola Rosa | Get It Together | Melting Pot2210 Ft. Ganja Plant | Shake Up The Place | ROIR23Jose Conde | Jose Conde | Pipiki24Vlada Tomova | Balkan Tales | Kuker Music25Kiran Ahluwalia | Aam Zameen: Common Ground | Avokado Artists26Ana Tijoux | La Bala | Nacional27Debo Band | Debo Band | Sub Pop-Next Ambiance28Abdoulaye Traoré & Mohamed Diaby | Debademba | Chapa Blues29The Spy From Cairo | Arabadub | Wonderwheel30Delhi 2 Dublin | Delhi 2 Dubland EP | Self-Released
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 21:16 (thirteen years ago)
There's plenty of publications that put up lists by one writer. Ans as I said when I created this thread:
Bloggers and freelance/single/married/swingin' critics welcome to submit here too!
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 21:44 (thirteen years ago)
xp I could usually rely on getting good Brazilian recommendations from Margasak, but 5 is kind of limiting. Here's my global/international list:
1. Staff Benda Bilili – Bouger le Monde! (Crammed Discs) - Congo2. Sierra Leone’s Refugee Allstars – Radio Salone (Cumbancha) – Sierra Leone3. Dos Cafundós – Capitão Coração (Far Out) – Brazil4. Tom Zé – Tropicalia Lixo Logico (Passarinho) – Brazil5. Bnegao & Seletores De Frequencia – Sintoniza La (Coqueiro Verde) – Brazil6. Amadou & Mariam – Folila (Nonesuch) – Mali7. The Touré-Raichel Collective – The Tel Aviv Session (Cumbancha) – Mali/Israel8. Jimmy Cliff – Rebirth (Universal) – Jamaica9. Ondatrópica – Ondatrópica (Soundways) – Colombia10. Lucas Santtana – The God Who Devastates Also Cures (Mais Un Discos) – Brazil11. Café Tacuba – El Objeto Antes Llamado Disco (Verve) – Mexico12. Getatchew Mekuria & The Ex – Y’Anbessaw Tezeta (Terp) – Ethiopia/Netherlands13. Fatoumata Diawara – Fatou (World Circuit) – Mali14. Debo Band – Debo Band (Next Ambience/Sub Pop) – U.S./Ethiopia15. Galactic – Carnivale Electricos (Anti-) U.S.16. Sexy Fi – Nunca Te Vi De Boa (Far Out) – Brazil17. Makoomba – Rising Tide (Igloo) – Zimbabwe18. Spoek Mathambo – Father Creeper (Sub Pop) – South Africa19. Céu – Caravana Sereia Bloom (Six Degrees) – Brazil20. Zani Diabaté & Les Héritiers – Tientalaw (Sterns) – Mali21. Sidi Touré – Koïma (Thrill Jockey) – Mali
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 21:56 (thirteen years ago)