Kelley Polar - Love Songs of The Hanging Gardens (Environ CD05)

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Does anyone else feel like this album is a little lacking in surprises? Gorgeous and very happy-making, but I think this basically sounds exactly like what it is: Metro Area's 10000 Hz Legend: more of the same buried under a conceptual space-trip that kind of works, kind of doesn't. That said, I like this miles above Metro Area, which I always found to be a little soul-less. Sure, gorgeous and ready for the dance floor.....but still very flat. But I went back and listened to the 12"s prior to posting: yep, flat as a pancake.

In terms of the comments above w/r/t press coverage of dance, etc., this one is top shelf, front and center on the new release wall at Amoeba, with a little "BUY THIS NOW!" card in various color magick markers under it. I also heard it at Urban Outfitters the other day....

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

I mean, I listen to a lot of gay stuff, but this album is pretty fucking gay.

Well it is a disco album of sorts, so what do you want?

Not nearly as gay as Brian Wilson's Smile, though...

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, I guess I didn't clarify that I also love it, and that the gayness is a plus.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, I think I am subconsciously trying to counteract all the is-it-IDM beard-stroking on this thread.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

hence the reason our comments will be ignored

"Forget what it sounds like- What does this all MEAN?"

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

geoff is totally right. it is soooo fuckin nerdy. and maybe seeing it as drama club-esque could help me like it more. it could go that way i guess, but right now it just feels nerdy in a specifically very dry academic way as if this person sees four primary colors and is able to move through life so easily b/c of it, even despite all the flourishes which actually end up feeling like thumping entities, not adjectival (??) -sounds like he's documenting (similar to the way sufjan i guess referenced showtune style in Illinois but there as something redeeming there and its more drama nerd.) -esp b/c everything is given exactly the same weight (even in volumne) as if he's compelled to note it and esp. out of context where it can be examined more closely as a thing. reminds me of nerdy high school friends who would occassionally latch onto some aspect of poplular culture and were compelled to repeat it often out of context, never really quite getting the spirit of it. super-duper annoying. i feel the appreciation here (album, not ILM, but possibly) for disco is in that vein. somewhere the dance is registering, but its wildly different from what i associate as dance. and it would burn arthur russells eyes out. the IDM issue is still an issue. at any rate, i tend to feel the same way about herbie hancocks stuff. and all this is the opposite of what i associate with any gay goodness as their is no fabulousness going on. i'm going to get cast off of ILM for bad opinions expressed badly, but I think i'm fuckin right.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

plus there's no sex in this music.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

and Geoff is totally OTM on the manhattan transfer comparison-which i wanted to think in this day in age was just superficial, but i'm not so sure anymore. either he heard a manhat transfer album or got there on his own...either scenario equally bad. manhat transfer is also a prime example of this nerdiness of which i speak. bad drama, folks.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

That said, I like this miles above Metro Area, which I always found to be a little soul-less. Sure, gorgeous and ready for the dance floor.....but still very flat.

Heresy!!!

jeffery (jeffery), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Geist does talk all the time about "just getting the fucking product out there." They really crank it out fast, too.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

plus there's no sex in this music.

OTM

I was going to add to my above post that this album is kind of like Natalie Portman in that pretty-though-not-sexy way, but I figured I had it covered referencing 10000 Hz, which is by far Air's least sexy record.

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

ha! and I hate Natalie Portman too!!! yes, no sex there either. or you have to bring it yourself.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Geist does talk all the time about "just getting the fucking product out there." They really crank it out fast, too.

This is also a problem I have with Metro Area and said fans- I don't really understand what's so fantastic about their music. Sure, none of it is really BAD, but it's kind of par for the course with every new release.

I'd argue that Lifelike & Kris Menace's "Discopolis" has more heart, soul, longing, joy, originality and thump than any Metro Area track released to date. It's undeniably disco, but you've never heard any disco track like it.

Metro Area tracks are the same thing every time, and in most instances are simply re-hashed sounds and structures milked from well-known songs produced 20-30 years ago.

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Well-known to house/disco fans that is.

And my whole point with "Discopolis" vs. any Metro Area : quality vs. quantity

in the event that wasn't clear....

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm, I've heard about half of this now and I still love everything about the sound. Which Michael F Gill completely nailed in the first post, but beyond that it's not appealing to me for parts of many reasons also listed above.

It's kinda half-way to something really great, yet I find it hard to verbalise or imagine what the other missing 50% would actually consist of when it sounds so dazzlingly complete & 'full'. It feels like a mirage. I was thinking earlier it reminded me of Anthony & The Johnsons that way, gone 'dance'. Anyhow I shouldn't post any more about something I'm not even intending to purchase!

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

can you expound on how it feels like a mirage? i sorta feel that and think it could be a turning point for me in possibly getting it.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm... I'm not sure I know _how_ to expand on that! I feel like I'm picking words near randomly here. This one is kinda beyond me. I'm sure it's a fine enough record but it's missing the imperfections, the wrong bits, something to separate it from a vacuum packed hi-fi test CD. This is maybe where I wish the vocals would step in & lose just a little bit of control (mabe they do on the other tracks). It doesn't have to lose the nerdiness/gayness/restraint/inverted privateness completely but just a speckle of dirt might endear me to the idea of it more. This is probably a very typical corny indie fuck POV re: this record.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

not to drop a bomb here vahid, and I want to ask this in all politeness, but how does your distrust of soul jazz/dissensus correlate with your distrust of electrohouse and bolstering of the kind of house more of the same lineage as that bolstered by soul jazz and to a certain extent dissensus?

I mean, if I'm right in suggesting there is a distrust there.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

I like this Natalie Portman comparison. But in a good way.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

xpost to fandango: i think it needs more than grit to break out of being a facsimile (mirage???) of music. i'm not sure what i'm thinking with mirage possibly being a positive part of this. maybe just that there's no way to redeem, unless it owns up to being what it is and moves on from there somehow. aka i'm completely alone now!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

i think "caught up" by metro area is better than just about every dance track from the past five years. (incl "discopolis")

i also think the kelley polar album is full of sex so i'll have to disagree there too. maybe it is so ingrained that it's easy to overlook. the mirage of the shiny exterior is distracting i suppose.

tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

not to drop a bomb here vahid, and I want to ask this in all politeness, but how does your distrust of soul jazz/dissensus correlate with your distrust of electrohouse and bolstering of the kind of house more of the same lineage as that bolstered by soul jazz and to a certain extent dissensus?

Uh oh.

This is a totaly valid question, btw, though I just caught a whiff of Ricardo Villalobos's sweat in the air....

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

xpost to fandango: i think it needs more than grit to break out of being a facsimile (mirage???) of music. i'm not sure what i'm thinking with mirage possibly being a positive part of this. maybe just that there's no way to redeem, unless it owns up to being what it is and moves on from there somehow. aka i'm completely alone now!

And hence the utter lack of sexiness. No I'm with you if you're suggesting that it's too polished, too predictable, too ovbious. And with this not being a typical Metro Area release, I find that a little disappointing. I still like the album, quite a bit, but again- pretty, but not sexy....

i also think the kelley polar album is full of sex so i'll have to disagree there too. maybe it is so ingrained that it's easy to overlook. the mirage of the shiny exterior is distracting i suppose.

-- tricky (tricky@), November 29th, 2005.

This is interesting, but that sheen still hasn't worn away for me with multiple listens. Can you elaborate on what it is you find sexy about the record? Anything that comes close to suggesting as such seems vapid to me (noting that sexiness is not necessarily a qualifier for disco records).....

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

i don't think its not being sexy is related to it being too glossy/perfect.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

As much as I really like Metro Area, I do think they're difficult to love. Maybe I need the image thing, I don't know, though I can love a standard techno/house tune I guess.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

Can you elaborate on what it is you find sexy about the record?

i think it's the beats and the low-end (OTOH, "the rooms in my house have many parties" is a good example of this). also, a lot of the lyrics are all about being full of desire, sometimes desire so strong that it's dysfunctional and stalker-ish which admittedly is not exactly sexy...i think i noted it upthread, but i hear two-sides to this album. the first half kind of sets up the second half and it's the second half that is more sexy/groovy. also, nerdy exteriors are kind of hot.

tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

you're making it sound good!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

but i hear two-sides to this album. the first half kind of sets up the second half and it's the second half that is more sexy/groovy. also, nerdy exteriors are kind of hot.

Ok this I have noticed just a bit, but nerdy exteriors tend to ring a little false for me, hence my suggestion of it being too obvious. Nerdy interiors, on the other hand, are what it's all about- I want more quirkiness in the depths of this, more surprises.

Surprises = most sexiest!

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

I can't wait until you're back here in the dark with me

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

you're making it sound good!

there's a fair bit of proselytizing going on here, it's true!

Surprises = most sexiest!

agree...and the sounds like metro area commentary is definitely spot on.

also, ronan, i get where you're coming from. i think this music is very insider-y stuff. it's may sound poppy, but it is not populist.

tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

it's very functional track music really, Metro Area, which is sort of unusual for how it actually sounds and the genre it seems to be in.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

by which I mean, I suppose I associate that idea and aesthetic with techno.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

more heart, soul, longing, joy, originality and thump

what if your not really looking for this in dance music?

or that youre specifically looking for pastiches of these elements, facsimiles?

the bits of this album i have heard, i wished things like the melodies and stuff were more obvious,like their chord progression. i wanted it to be more cheesy and lush. it breaks into a lush swell and then cuts it out. i finsd that with metro area stuff as well. in other music that tension can be exhilirating but weith this i find a little disappointing. but i havent heard it properly yet. and i lost patience with bleep about half way thru anyway.

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

ambrose, i think that is the only way i could enjoy it. although i'm not sure if i ever really got to the latter more sexier half of the album.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

i think "caught up" by metro area is better than just about every dance track from the past five years. (incl "discopolis")

OTM!

I think the nay-sayers are severely underestimating the impact of the first four Metro Area releases, and the criticism that "it's always the same" is really unfair considering how much ground they've covered over the course of six records. Sure, there's a sonic "signature" there, but that has much more to do with a production aesthetic than any sort of compositional rut.

jeffery (jeffery), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

simply re-hashed sounds and structures milked from well-known songs produced 20-30 years ago

What songs exactly? While the references and feel are distinctly retro, or at least, refer to timelessly good stuff, I think that statement is a bit harsh.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

it's very functional track music really, Metro Area, which is sort of unusual for how it actually sounds and the genre it seems to be in.

Exactly, which brings us back around to the IDM question. My understanding of IDM is that one of its foundations is the ability to stay somewhat fuctional while exploring unconventional structures and/or aesthetics in the music. Metro Area, clearly not IDM, is very much functional music. The Kelley Polar record is also functional, though I don't really think the vocal variance nor layering of strings, etc. really make in any more unconventional than a Metro Area record. I'm hearing a little IDM in "Vocalise" and "My Beauty In The Moon", but otherwise not really.

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

i think "caught up" by metro area is better than just about every dance track from the past five years. (incl "discopolis")
OTM!

I think the nay-sayers are severely underestimating the impact of the first four Metro Area releases, and the criticism that "it's always the same" is really unfair considering how much ground they've covered over the course of six records. Sure, there's a sonic "signature" there, but that has much more to do with a production aesthetic than any sort of compositional rut.

No, I agree that there was some valid impact with their initial releases, but the first part of this statement is absurd.

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Sure, there's a sonic "signature" there, but that has much more to do with a production aesthetic than any sort of compositional rut.

What songs exactly? While the references and feel are distinctly retro, or at least, refer to timelessly good stuff, I think that statement is a bit harsh.

Come on, guys- even The Rapture has the good sense not to use the cowbell in every single track.....

Clap-Clap!

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

And I'm by no means hating on Metro Area, or the Kelley Polar record. I'm just saying that we shouldn't all go pretending it's something that it's not...

jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

Come on, guys- even The Rapture has the good sense not to use the cowbell in every single track.....

http://www.jefferymac.com/images/1018599.gif

Fightin' words!

jeffery (jeffery), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

what's wrong with clap-clap? It's a staple of 80% of my favorite dance songs, and Metro Area brought it back, and still use it with grace and panache!

And you are way under-appreciating the amount of care and attention they put into the production, compared to most dance music made these days. Remember when it was shocking to hear a live instrument on a dance record?

oh shit I'm listening to caught up right now and will ferrel is just about hitting the cowbell on beat. close enough to be funny anyway. I'm sure it works with anything...try it.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

I think ambrose is pretty OTM - apart from the key singles Metro Area could have afforded to be a lot more lush, and if I could change the Kelley Polar album it would be to make it even more lush and obvious.

(heightened lushness and obviousness being among the key achievements of Get Physical's earlier, more discoid efforts vis a vis Metro Area)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

not being familiar with Get Physical so I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "lush" but I think it's important to remember that those guys come to Disco from house and techno backgrounds, and I think the space and minimalism is more key then "lushness".

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)

Is "lush" really a term that applies to Get Physical? I dont really have any of their music outside of the two CD comps, but I can't think of more than a few of those tracks that would come anywhere close to lush. Deep, sure. Rich, definitely. Lush seems a little more light and airy than anything Ive heard them put out.

But semantics aside, Tim, are you suggesting the record would benefit from more Metro Area, or less of it?

jsoulja (jsoulja), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)

i am surprised by tim's comment on lushness. i consider get physical (except for "i don't know" and "time out" and probably a few others) to be on the whole less lush than metro area. i agree about the obviousness of GP.

one of my favorite things about metro area is the way they capture what is to me a kind of urban american street vibe, an urbanity that is not so polished, but still very pretty: multicultural, multiracial, multisexual, gritty, vacant, wide streets with buildings so high they obscure the sun during the daytime so it's perpetual twilight (the streets are like tunnels you can get lost in), anonymity, trash and sleaze, glitz, hardness, tighly knit patchwork neighborhoods, all of the people down or up on their luck, flustered eye contact on the subway, graffiti, men and women in suits, kids in the street everywhere, the guys selling drugs on the corner next to the homeless dude with one shoe, the rivers and bridges and the ocean, endless traffic and noise, a kind of hopeful sadness, the pressure of all of those other souls around you, the masks people wear, the madness and rush of modern capitalist culture, the release of nighttime...

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

there really was no other way to describe it other than making that list.

also, scratch "time out" and replace it with "freemind"

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)

i laways found this album very sexy, even though i did not pay attention to the lyrics (as usual since english is not my mother tongue).
I think the texture of the sound and teh beats is really interesting : it's at the exact center-point between soft and hard. Like a waterbed that's really full : you bounce but not too high, it's hard but never hurting. The song is elastic but very taut at the same time.
I think this gives a welcoming feeling but we have to stay cautious, i guess this makes the album quite sexy...

Arnault (arc73hk), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

Like a waterbed

Ha! Yes.

are you suggesting the record would benefit from more Metro Area, or less of it?

Wouldn't that be the the three Quartet 12-inches? (which I really don't feel as much as the album. But then Ronan really nailed my feelings re. Metro Area.)

On a more practical level: why oh why no vinyl version? It's perfect for an old-school two side pop-LP, Cupid & Psyche '05. Jeezzzz.

and yes: I like Herbie Hancock.

Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

I love both Herbie Hancock and Steely Dan and prefer Nirvana over Sponge, so there's really no point in debating with the people in this thread who feel otherwise.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)


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