the charts are stagnating again.

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(one unrelated point i'm completely mystified on - i don't know ANYONE who downloads legally. they either download illegally, or they don't download. who the fuck are these people?)

i download legally from Bleep because:

a) great, weird stuff that's hard to find elsewhere (Ryan Teague, Bibio, El Perro Del Mar, Paul D Miller, Virus Syn, rare Isolee, Fairmont, Bob McFadden and other ace people you've never heard of) unless you sift for ages

b) 50% goes to the artists

c) DRM-free, meaning you can play it on anything, and it's usually 320kbps now so the quality is as good as can be whilst still compressed and tagged.

d) this sort of thing needs support from digital music-lovers

e) i am having it off with the creators of Bleep, obv.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

e) i am having it off with the creators of Bleep, obv.

The Pussycat Dolls? Well done!

StanM (StanM), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

(Damn, that's Beep, innit? Sorry.)

StanM (StanM), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

That bit about women expanding their musical taste was pretty interesting. That'd be a notable sea change if women achieve even parity in the audiences, and I think it'd be a good thing overall... Go women! Listen to your MP3s!

js (honestengine), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

It would seem easy for a major artist at this time to take a subpar song and get it high in the charts.

Sadly it wouldn't. Because the kids would think he's "old", and they seem to be more preoccupied with the age, looks and image of the performer than the actual quality of the music.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Well. Gnarls Barkley has topped the UK charts for 7 weeks. Bryan Adams did for 16 while Wet Wet Wet did for 14. They still have quite a way to go...

Btw. there are 20 singles throughout UK chart history that have topped the charts for longer than "Crazy", and there seemed to be around 10-15 singles that did also top them for 7 weeks.

7 weeks is not dramatic. It is kind of the way it is supposed to be. One new chart topper each week is a sign of bad quality, which was also the case when the likes of Bryan Adams, Wet Wet Wet, Whitney Houston, Boyz II Men and Mariah Carey stayed on top of the UK or US charts forever back in the early to mid 90s.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Geir brings HARD FACTS to the discussion!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:55 (twenty years ago)

I still sort of like the idea of it as indicative of a Top 40 supernova/implosion though.

This is the record we need released:

Been out all night, I needed a bite
I thought I'd put a record on
I reached for the one with the ultra-modern label
And wondered where the light had gone
It had a futuristic cover
Lifted straight from Buck Rogers
The record was so black it had to be a con
The autochanger switched as I filled my sandwich
And futuristic sounds warbled off and on
Chorus :
The Black Hit Of Space
It's the one without a face
It's the one that doesn't fit
You can only see the flip
The Black Hit Of Space
Sucking in the human race
How can it stay at the top
When it's swallowed all the shops?
As the song climbed the charts
The others disappeared
'Til there was nothing but it left to buy
It got to number one
Then into minus figures
Though nobody could understand why
(Chorus)
I couldn't stand this bland sound any more so I walked towards my deck to
turn it off. All I could see was the B-side of the disc which had assumed a
doughnut shape with the label on the outside rim. I reached for the arm
which was less than one micron long but weighed more than Saturn and time
stood still. I knew I had to escape but every time I tried to flee, the
record was in front of me.
The Black Hit Of Space
Get James Burke on the case
It's the hit that's never gone
Time stops when you put it...

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:00 (twenty years ago)

the charts are awful at the moment. I don't know if I can bring any kind of theory to this, but pop music is really fucking awful at the moment, in my opinion. I can't listen to the radio anymore.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:02 (twenty years ago)

Cheer up Ronan, Crazy Frog should have another single out soon!

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:04 (twenty years ago)

Only Crazy Frog can save us from awful ballads.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:10 (twenty years ago)

The charts are better now than 3-4 years ago during the R&B boom.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:23 (twenty years ago)

Geir brings HARD FACTS to the discussion!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:33 (twenty years ago)

(one unrelated point i'm completely mystified on - i don't know ANYONE who downloads legally. they either download illegally, or they don't download. who the fuck are these people?)

I download through Bleep, Beatport, Dancetracks, Kompakt and others on a weekly basis. It makes a lot more sense to buy a 320K rip of a tune for $1.50-$2.50 than to pay $12 for an import single. Plus, you can hear a big difference between a crappy 192K P2P rip and a 320K rip from a legitimate source when you play tunes on a club system.

jeffery (jeffery), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:36 (twenty years ago)

I have written a Crazy Frog song:

Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding
World Cup World Cup
Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding
World Cup World Cup

The great thing is, it doesn't need any work.

I would like to legally download huge great 20 minute krautrock tracks. Is this possible?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:01 (twenty years ago)

The reason for "Crazy" spending seven weeks at number one is simple - there's nothing even within spitting distance of it in the chart at the moment, quantitatively or qualitatively, and it's also one of the half-dozen or so greatest number one singles there have ever been.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:09 (twenty years ago)

Don't worry folks, soon Jimmy Pursey and friends will land "Hurry Up England" at the number 1 spot for 3 weeks until we are knocked out in the quarter-finals and millions of pounds worth of damage is inflicted on every city centre pub in the country. Hoorah!

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:09 (twenty years ago)

7 weeks is not dramatic. It is kind of the way it is supposed to be. One new chart topper each week is a sign of bad quality, which was also the case when the likes of Bryan Adams, Wet Wet Wet, Whitney Houston, Boyz II Men and Mariah Carey stayed on top of the UK or US charts forever back in the early to mid 90s.

so long-running No 1s are a sign of good quality (eg Wet Wet Wet in the UK), but a No 1 each week is a sign of bad quality (eg Wet Wet Wet in the US)???

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:17 (twenty years ago)

there's nothing even within spitting distance of it in the chart at the moment, quantitatively or qualitatively,

is the milian single out properly yet? the milian single has made me reassess her as the greatest artist this century has yet produced.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:18 (twenty years ago)

Oh I heard that yesterday Lex, it's awesome.

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:24 (twenty years ago)

Marcello OTM - i was in the big hmv on oxford st the other day and crazy came on and EVERYONE started nodding their heads and bopping it was like a scene from some shitty britcom

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:34 (twenty years ago)

.. and it will be.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:36 (twenty years ago)

there's something about the way milian rolls her voice around lines like "i'mma keep it gangsta" and "do what you - wanna do, don't let nobody tell you what you're - supposed to do", which in anyone else's mouth would be nothingy, which makes them UTTERLY TRANSCENDENT

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:38 (twenty years ago)

i actually think 'Crazy' would be a very odd record to actually dance to. i've not heard it in a club or at a party yet (tho i'm sure it's been played at loads).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:45 (twenty years ago)

I think it's pretty average.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:16 (twenty years ago)

i can imagine 'crazy' with a different arrangement (one which eg reminded me less of moby) being amazing, and danceable, very close-of-night.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:19 (twenty years ago)

The reason for "Crazy" spending seven weeks at number one is simple - there's nothing even within spitting distance of it in the chart at the moment, quantitatively or qualitatively, and it's also one of the half-dozen or so greatest number one singles there have ever been

I predict Marcello is mildly embarrassed by this in five years time. It's a pretty good song - the production is really plodding, I think, the kind of thing everyone likes a bit (whereas everyone LOVES other Song Xs, viz "Hung Up")

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:23 (twenty years ago)

there are lots of songs like 'hung up' ('hey ya', 'sos'), they're kind of awesome for six weeks and then you get heartily sick of them -- that's pop, but ilx is where we talk about pop old music unendingly, there's a problem

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:27 (twenty years ago)

No, I just know. Same as I knew that "Those Were The Days" was one of the half-dozen greatest number one singles when I was five.

(xpost, obv)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:27 (twenty years ago)

it's just a good middlepoint, that's why it's number 1 for so long. catchy enough for kids and sounds Nick Hornby soul enough for adults.

I can't even see how it's bigger than something like "Hey Ya".

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:28 (twenty years ago)

Or rather, how it's supposed to be better, I didn't particularly like "Hey Ya" myself but it was about a thousand times catchier and more vital.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:28 (twenty years ago)

Who said it was supposed to be better?
"Hey Ya" didn't get to number one.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:30 (twenty years ago)

Marcello, I think your senses were a bit sharper at five. "Crazy" isn't even in the same ballpark as "Those Were The Days".

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:30 (twenty years ago)

there are lots of songs like 'hung up' ('hey ya', 'sos'), they're kind of awesome for six weeks and then you get heartily sick of them -- that's pop, but ilx is where we talk about pop old music unendingly, there's a problem

and then two years later you remember you awesome they were, plus with added nostalgia value.

i do actually think 'crazy' is a genuine Song X! i think the production is crap BUT compared with the bluntian acoustica and britrock revival drivel which is getting all the attention at the moment, it's veritably neptunes-esque. and for the casual consumer (who are the ones who really drive Song Xs) that's what probably appeals.

also i don't think we can overlook cee-lo's voice, that really is amazing.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:32 (twenty years ago)

i must hear this song.

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:33 (twenty years ago)

It'll be interesting to see what Tom has to say about it on Popular, circa 2073...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:40 (twenty years ago)

surely Cee-Lo's voice is the most Moby thing about 'Crazy'.

when people say this song is plodding, what do they mean? the tempo? it's 'Da Funk' speed so does 'Da Funk' plod too? 'Da Funk' sounds 'madder' i suppose, 'ironically'. but 'Crazy' is a SONG. it's not meant to be 'Hey Ya', and the backlash on that was pretty severe. 'Crazy's success is a huge surprise i think, despite what Ronan says being correct re catchiness/Hornby-approval).

DM does some nice stuff with the moody strings and choiri think, esp. changing ther notes around on Cee-Lo's second verse.


Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:45 (twenty years ago)

The backlash on "Hey Ya" wasn't on the dancefloors though, was it? Really, a backlash amongst music critics has very little to do with something becoming Song X (or maybe Song X has to have critical approval for it to hit all targets?).

Where does "Where Is The Love?" feature in all this?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:02 (twenty years ago)

least said, soonest mended.

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:05 (twenty years ago)

"Where Is The Love?" - I'd be inclined to give that nought out of ten at the moment.

There's studium mass appeal and there's punctum mass appeal.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:07 (twenty years ago)

it is a blight on the otherwise superb BEP discography.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:08 (twenty years ago)

i think the 'hey ya' backlash extended beyond critics. but anyway yes, being 'song x' isn't necessarily a good thing. the song x succeeding 'freak like me' was 'a little less covnersation'. 'you're beautiful' was song x last summer, in a bad way.

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:09 (twenty years ago)

maybe this is why Liberty X have called their new single 'X'.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:09 (twenty years ago)

Song X is a good thing if you mean the Ornette Coleman/Pat Metheny album!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:10 (twenty years ago)

(X) Rearrange the whole game with my rugged sound
(X) Won't even say your own name when I come around
(X) Stay on top but remain from the underground
(X) to the Z and we all in the family

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:10 (twenty years ago)

Does "Song X" literally just mean a song that is escapable? Or does it need more? Why wasn't "Crazy In Love" one? Or "Ignition Remix"? How close was "I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor"?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:13 (twenty years ago)

"Crazy in Love" was totally Song X, wasn't it?

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:22 (twenty years ago)

Only for a very brief momemt. I'm not convinced it's stood the test of time.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:24 (twenty years ago)

'crazy in love' yes (and it's definitely stood the test of time - my friend robin played it at bank holiday lovelife and the room kind of exploded with joy). 'ignition' yes (though it's probably the worst r kelly single ever!). 'i bet you look wvs' haha certainly not.

Song Xs usually happen in the summer.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:27 (twenty years ago)

Amerie's "1 Thing" did the same trick better, perhaps. I don't know if the slight nausea and distaste you sometimes get for a song after gorging on it for a few weeks is the song's fault, really.

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:29 (twenty years ago)

There's a special hell somewhere where that fucking Bryan Adams song is still number one, I'm sure.

Turrican, Monday, 6 June 2016 23:30 (ten years ago)

one month passes...

this is nuts

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36794105

Drake's single only topped the sales-only chart in the first three weeks of its reign. It's only the inclusion of streaming data (where 100 plays count as one sale) that has given him a lock on the number one spot. And that's something that's starting to worry the music industry, because now that the charts measure consumption rather than purchases, they have practically ground to a halt.

In the first six months of 2016, there were 86 new entries in the UK singles chart. Ten years ago, that figure was 230.

piscesx, Sunday, 17 July 2016 20:00 (nine years ago)

I noticed the other week that the top eight singles in the UK didn't change (not even order) over two weeks, which is... strange.

boxedjoy, Sunday, 17 July 2016 20:27 (nine years ago)

ten years ago the number of new entries only spending one week on the chart was probably also super high, so no use pretending the chart was problem-free then either. even 'big' hits would frequently enter at their peak and spend a pitifully short time in the top 10 for the majority of the digital music era until recently.

it's pretty common for the industry to have to adjust how it works its product after the charts undergo semi-radical methodological revisions. when soundscan and broadcast data systems numbers were first implemented for the hot 100 in 1991, the main finding was that, on the radio and retail sides, the strongest hits were both breaking much faster and sticking around much longer than would have been reflected by the old survey-based methodology. in order to keep 'playing the charts' as an effective means of marketing singles, some in the industry tried a bizarre series of strategies to try to manipulate the new methodology in their favor. others realized they could market songs to radio, and their parent albums to consumers, without the assistance of singles retail whatsoever. the result was that the hot 100 was both more and less representative of the current state of pop singles consumption for the greater part of the entire 1990s decade. by the time things were 'figured out' (around 1999) and the charts started seeing decent turnaround of singles that were actually popular, not just popular because labels wanted them to appear as such, the singles retail market was in its death throes due to the combination of unsustainable strategies the labels had assumed during those years.

i think this time around the industry won't have to bumble around as long to figure it out. or at least i hope. (they may very well kill the digital downloads market, though. r.i.p. itunes!)

dyl, Sunday, 17 July 2016 22:40 (nine years ago)

six months pass...

Ed Sheeran. Number 1 AND 2 for 5 weeks straight.

piscesx, Friday, 10 February 2017 21:39 (nine years ago)

His music's always been piss and shit, tbf.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Friday, 10 February 2017 21:40 (nine years ago)

two years pass...

Interesting thread here:

In a fitting end to the 2010s, Jeff Bezos is responsible for the last Number 1 Single of the year, Ellie Goulding's "River" (by Joni Mitchell).

Here's how:

1. You can't find it on Spotify, Apple, Google.
2. That's because - aside from Youtube - it's Amazon exclusive.

and...

— dan barker (@danbarker) December 28, 2019

groovypanda, Sunday, 29 December 2019 22:48 (six years ago)

wow, hadn't heard anything about that! Crazy story!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 30 December 2019 02:25 (six years ago)

it was posted in the system glitch thread

dyl, Monday, 30 December 2019 04:03 (six years ago)

https://www.billboard.com/charts/decade-end/hot-rock-songs

j., Monday, 30 December 2019 05:34 (six years ago)

that's pretty grim. i can only handle about four of the top twenty.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 30 December 2019 05:38 (six years ago)


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