Who's The Foxiest Rock Critic?

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dan clowes to thread, obv

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 April 2004 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm 5'1" and tall guys usually can't even see me. Tell the tall girls to give me their legs. I'm sorry if I'm being cranky, I meant nothing but fun. It's rainy and crappy and I don't want to leave my house to go to do my show. It's good to see nerdy girls getting props. It doesn't happen nearly enough. Strongo, I've seen lots of ugly or average dudes with gorgeous girls.

Sara Sherr, Friday, 2 April 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's get back to this me resembling Simon thing. So since Kevin Shields ripped off my look, WHAT DOES IT ALL MEEEEEEEEEAN?

Sara, of course, rocks. This goes without saying. But I suppose I said it!

I have always assumed Mr. Seward to be a smouldering hunk of man. Surely.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Simon R and Ned look similar at all.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i almost said something mean.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"I don't think Simon R and Ned look similar at all."

can we get someone with more html skills than me to post a side by side?

I was completely sure for a few seconds that the pic of Kevin Shields in the cardigan was Ned.

hector (hector), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

When I had him as a lecturer, I thought Mark K-punk was sort of cute.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

simon r and ned look nothing alike

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The kevin shields/Ned thing that i saw somewhere was pretty uncanny. Yeah, maybe i am wrong about Simon though. maybe he does look more like Lou Barlow. I've only seen one or two pictures of Simon. never met him. Rob Sheffield must be the tallest rock critic i've ever met. but i don't meet too many.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

me and jess are taller, scott.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

sheffield's only 6'3''

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I have always assumed Mr. Seward to be a smouldering hunk of man. Surely.


Oh surely! (well, maybe 15 years ago before the bloat and the rot set in. mmm, maybe not even then.but as long as maria likes me i don't really care.)

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

no way! you guys aren't giants are you?

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i am 9 foot 11

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Holy shit, strongo! How much of that is yer head? HAHAHAHSHAQA!!!!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

here is a picture of maria and me all drunk on the bunnybrains website. it's old though. we are way fatter now:

http://www.bunnybrains.com/ArchivedSite/Pages/Photos/Photos(Other)/FriendsPix2.html

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't see your smoldering hunkitude in that pic!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i know. those are my barroom eyes, not my bedroom ones.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i almost said something mean.

WAH

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"King of Queens" owns this thread by weird-ass default

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Saturday, 3 April 2004 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Julie Burchill could severely criticize me till I begged for mercy.

briania, Saturday, 3 April 2004 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Sara Sherr ([email protected])

I knew I recognized this from somewhere. Then Sciarinno popped in my head.

Simon R and Ned look alike? That would be a good question when having an eye test. Answer YES, you're obv blind.

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 3 April 2004 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Rosemary is right: Raggett and Reynolds do not, I think, look alike.

Sara Sherr quoted Lloyd Cole and nobody noticed!

Nipper, you ... disappoint me.

the ... pinefox, Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

okay, jeez, don't sue me. i saw a picture of simon a zillion years ago and i think his hair was longer. they are both sexy scientists if you ask me.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Simon did have longer hair of a time, like all right thinking people.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

plus, i said he looked a LITTLE like you, not that you were twins or something. i mean, you guys could be cousins at the very least.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Strongo does realise he's being come onto so much on this thread he's likely to drown bukkake-style, right?

Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

BARRY!

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel like Rick Baker's special effects have attacked me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i feel sorta weird

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 April 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Hi Nicole!

(still working on the sweets, btw!)

Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 3 April 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew a guy who looked like Rick Baker. Or maybe that was Rob Bottin.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Dick Smith had a crush on my father. True story!!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Cliff Jones. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Super-Kate (kate), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

How did I unintentionally quote Lloyd Cole?

Sara Sherr, Saturday, 3 April 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew a guy who looked like Rick Baker. Or maybe that was Rob Bottin.

Scott Seward is Craig Finn in disguise and I claim my $5

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 April 2004 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

jesus nathalie sez:
I knew I recognized this from somewhere. Then Sciarinno popped in my head.

and now im hopping onto this thread! hi nathalie!

this thread makes me laugh in that silly semi-psychotic 12 year old way. not at y'all, not even with y'all. it just does. but this is good.

the few photographs ive seen of chuck klosterman leads me to believe that he resembles an ex-boyfriend of mine, right down to the drinking habits and cranky diatribes. both may even appreciate king crimson.

personally, i prefer not to date anyone involved in the music business [be it a musician, writer, publicist, record label owner, etc] just 'cause it seems like a bad idea to get your web all tangled up, etc. of course, i came to this brilliant philosophy of "just 'cause": the hard way.

but i will say this, in regards to cute rock critics: that doug wallen is one fine piece of ass.

maria tessa sciarrino, Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I met Tom Savini at the Fangoria Weekend of Horror once. The Ramones as well. And Steve Bissette. None of whom are rock critics but suddenly scott and ned are talking about special effects artists. When I was in middle school I wanted to grow up to be Dick Smith.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I like this Sciarrino personage. Stick around!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

If Simon Reynolds does, in fact, look like Lou Barlow, then put Simon Reynolds down as my answer.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

that strongo hulkington is a dishy chap

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

So Simon looks like Lou, I look like Kevin. From there, the world!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post -

Sara's unintentional Lloyd Cole quote: "cheekbones like geometry" mirrors the "Perfect Skin" line of "She's got cheekbones like geometry and eyes like sin / and she's sexually enlightened by 'Cosmopolitan' / she's got perfect skin..."

Love that song.

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Saturday, 3 April 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i am so confused by this: Ugly dudes can date pretty girls.

In my experience at art school (which I suppose is a slightly different thing than the music crit world), I would see girls that I thought were either plain or not particularly attractive date fantastically good looking men all of the time, but I can think of very very very few examples from my own anecdotal experience of very attractive girls dating unattractive men (unless I count the handful of relationships I've ever been in.)

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 3 April 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Sparks, unsurprisingly, have dealt with the matter on their last album:

Ugly guys with beautiful girls
You always know what the story is.
Beautiful girls with ugly guys
What do they take us for anyway?
What do they take us for anyway?

Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls

As they walk down the street arm in arm, I see
them and once again feel the need to ask
myself the question, the question that has
weighed heavily on me of late. How is it
possible that a guy and a girl so dissimilar
in physical appearance, there being such a
disparity in how attractive each is, be nonetheless
in what would appear to be some sort of relationship?

It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.
It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.
It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.

Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls

How do we explain this? An attraction of
opposites? No, that theory has been refuted
by many experts in the fields of human psychology.
A much greater attraction seems to come from
one more similar to oneself. Personality, perhaps?
Without intending to sound judgmental, I would
say that he doesn't look like what was once called
a "live wire" or "the life of the party." He appears
rather expressionless. His movements are stiff
and even awkward. Perhaps he is a person of
some intellect-an expert in science, the arts, political
theory. No , I think not. See how well tailored his
clothes are, how well cut his hair is.

It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.
It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.
It ain't done with smoke and mirrors.

Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls
Ugly guys with beautiful girls
(Ugly Guys With Beautiful Girls con't.)

I must confess to you, my listeners, that I have been
a little less than honest in pretending I had no answers
to my previous questions. You see, I lost someone
very dear to me, someone very beautiful, to someone
much like him.

Ah, you ask, surely there must have been other areas
where you were deficient and he was not. No, I don't
believe so. My shortcomings were of an economic nature.
He was rich. I was not.

You see, I underestimated the appeal to her of things---
imported things on wheels, large things with manicured
lawns and Olympic swimming pools, things to wear around
her neck that would glisten in the night light. Things. Still,
I am not bitter. Rather, I am an observer who saw first
hand how life may not be fair. Would things have turned
out differently between me and her had I moved up the
corporate ladder quicker, been born of more noble stock,
or done better on one of our journeys to Las Vegas?
Perhaps. In fact, I'm certain of it. Things would have turned
out differently between me and her. I know this now. It ain't
done with smoke and mirrors.

Ugly guys with beautiful girls.
You always know what the story is.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose the "pretty women out walking with gorillas" phenomenon (yes now I'm intentionally quoting Joe Jackson), must be largely a New York thing (particularly the Vice magazine types with ugly porn star mustaches), though I see it here in Philly quite a bit.

The "cheekbones like geometry" line was something I saw on a Friendster profile of an incredibly gorgeous girlfriend of a semi-attractive (at least to me) rock critic. And it's not the case of a very flattering thumbnail. I've seen her in person. And it just made me think, "Why do I bother trying to be smart, funny, endearing, having great hair and wearing cool dresses from 1966?" Another former male friend of mine used to lecture me on how cheekbones aren't important to men, but since then, has dated a succession of tall skinny size zeros with all lines and no curves.

The thing is, for all the men I've met who say they'd pick Jeanine Garofolo over Uma Thurman in The Truth About Cats and Dogs, when given the choice in real life, they pick Uma Thurman. And me? I prefer Buddy Holly to Elvis, Topher Grace to Ashton Kutcher, Roger Taylor to John Taylor, John Cusack to Tom Cruise. So this has been my dilemma for all of my dating life. I can't date or even be friends with the guys that I have the most in common with. Hence, me and the hotel concierge working that whole opposites attract thing, plus my posse of cool girlfriends and gay boyfriends.

Sara Sherr, Saturday, 3 April 2004 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

amazing, ned, I actually posted that yesterday, or tried to, but then accidently quit my web broswer not realizing instead of posting it was telling me there were new posts! When sparks performed that last year in central park, Ron walking around arm in arm with a sterotypical blonde bombshell. Genius.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 3 April 2004 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

That sounds like something he'd do. I'll be seeing them in a week's time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm from NY! I must be missing all the action.

Sara, have heart. Not all men are like that, and you're better off not dating the ones overly hung up on body type, especially if you don't meet their ridiculous standards.

And you're totally right about Topher Grace. You'd better watch out for those John Cusacks though, cos those seem like exactly the type of men to watch out for.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 3 April 2004 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, I think both Topher Grace and Ashton Kutcher are hott, and I'm not even gay.

Yeah, word on the street in Chicago here is that Cusack is supposedly sleeeezy IRL.

jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 4 April 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry-you can click on that and get it, but
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkg1h7YiYs1qbn8ndo1_500.jpg

dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:18 (fourteen years ago)

Here they are onstage
http://ro-mashka.ru/photo_s/Sam-Shepard-20-15.jpg

dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:23 (fourteen years ago)

And this recent Luc Sante piece is the most astute view of Smith I've even seen (incl some description of her rock writing, her overall apporach and how it could seem like mere namedropping etc but how she developed it)
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/feb/09/mother-courage-rock/?pagination=false Good pic by Judy Linn here too.

dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:31 (fourteen years ago)

Scribe scrutinizing (credit: Judy Linn)
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/flash/Lens/2011/03/20110317-patti/480px.jpg

dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:36 (fourteen years ago)

Ellen Willis gets to work
http://www.frieze.com/uploads/images/front/Music-Crawford.jpg

dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 20:28 (fourteen years ago)

Willis: "H'm-m-m...Promises, promises--still..."
http://vidunderfull.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/ellen-willis.jpg credit: UMinn Press

dow, Thursday, 2 February 2012 20:33 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/features/drohojowska-philp/Images/drohojowska-philp7-16-2.jpg
(Libby Lumpkin)

Grrrr! "A quitter never loses, and a loser never quits." Dave Hickey, charter Noise Boy. Marvin, His teen familiar once warbled in the Voice, " 'I ain't tryin' to come on like Hollywood/But Hollywood is what I am." And pointed out that if Neil Young had come out with such, crtis would be swooning over how poignant it was--but since Randy Bachman sang it, nertz to him,(Marvin was also hot for Kiwanis gumball machines as talismans of the New Normal). J.Hoberman was irritated by Hickey's chuckling at his own jokes in a doc, and seems delighted with himself in his award-winning collection Air Guitar, but it's only right and Mr. Natural. Also a good songwriter (and art critic, come to think of it).

dow, Saturday, 3 March 2012 19:49 (fourteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://zicoydelia.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/burroughs3-zicoydelia.jpg

WB interviewing JP in C---Daddy. He also did Bowie in Stone (nice work if you can get it).

dow, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 22:22 (eleven years ago)

Holly Hernandez, of Melody Maker Demo Hall fame.

Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 23:41 (eleven years ago)

Hell, jesus

Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 23:42 (eleven years ago)

Yep.

Ooh, just finally read that Luc Sante piece linked by Dow in Feb. 2012

curmudgeon, Thursday, 4 September 2014 15:39 (eleven years ago)


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