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There are a couple of great articles in Tape-Op with Phill Brown (who engineered Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock)- where he discusses the process to fruition. I think I remember reading that for Laughing Stock, they spent the first 4 days figuring out where the drums should be set up. And also that it was mic'ed with a single mic- 30 feet away from the kit.

Good articles.. I can check which issues they were in but Im thinking 34 and 35?

nothingleft (nothingleft), Friday, 10 October 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Calling Talk Talk shoegazer makes me sad even if it's part of the phrase "shoegazer shag soundtrack" :(

Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 10 October 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

[quote] Good articles.. I can check which issues they were in but Im thinking 34 and 35? [/quote]

I checked.. its actually issues 31 and 32 I believe.

nothingleft (nothingleft), Saturday, 11 October 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I first bought Spirit of Eden about 10 years ago as part of one of these 3 for 20 quid things as a way of making the two CDs I had add up to 3.

I sat down and put it on and after about 2 minutes was completely amazed. It's brilliant. Naturally I ran out the next day and bought "Laughing Stock". My previous experience of Talk Talk had been seeing them do "Talk Talk" twice on Crackerjack and quite liking "Life's what you make it". This is something different. Not the same band; "Spirit of Eden" (and the subsequent even better "Laughing Stock") are amazing.

No-one has made records like these before or since and all the comparisons are meaningless. They are unique. "Laughing Stock" is definitely high up my top 10 records of the nineties.

Keith Watson (kmw), Saturday, 11 October 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Out of their other records everyone should at least pick up "Colour of Spring", really! Go go! IF someone didn't already say so.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 12 October 2003 08:01 (twenty-two years ago)

If you're gonna get Spirit of Eden or Laughing Stock, you sure as hell better friggin' like pretensious deep "meaningful" Art music, 'cause they're just about as pretensious as they come. Long wanky meandering "soundscapes" with such rock-essential instruments as the dobro, the pipe organ, and the shogys [sic?]. One of the songs even has this ridiculous guitar feedback noise tone that lasts for ninety seconds or something.

So, classic then.

MisterSnrub, Sunday, 12 October 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

god I love that ridiculous guitar feedback noise tone that lasts for ninety seconds. When Laughing Stock came out, I brought it home and I think I was literally sweating with anticipation.

I put it on and listened to in the dark (I think it was 4 o'clock in the afternoon or something, but I pulled the shades), in some sort of ridiculous fanboy attempt to create "atmosphere". When the ridiculous guitar feedback noise tone that lasts for ninety seconds appeared, I swear I saw god.

Best band ever.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 13 October 2003 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"band", obv

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 13 October 2003 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a one-note guitar solo! Yay Mark Hollis! Fuck you, Yngwie!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 13 October 2003 07:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it a guitar? I always thought it was either a guitar or one of those free jazz saxophone wailings. Or both.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 13 October 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(hi colin!)

i can never listen to spirit of eden.

i'm going straight home to tilt.

(what's the third record, colin? knock knock?)

David. (Cozen), Monday, 13 October 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I really rate Mark Hollis' solo album too. Does no-one else?

Nathan W (Nathan Webb), Monday, 13 October 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

The third record is grace cos it reminds me of a certain person and a certain period in my life - predictable or what? i need to know why you can't listen to Spirit of Eden, David - how so?

Nathan - i rate the solo record - i think its absolutely stunning!

jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 13 October 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

i love the recording of "inside looking out" especially - listen closely and you can hear a stool or a floorboard creek a couple of minutes in - its just one of those moments that makes you stop breathing....

jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 13 October 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

actually thats wrong, what happens is you stop breathing in anticipation of it and then you breathe again when you hear it...

jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 13 October 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Also search Tim Buckley's Dream Letter; Live In London 1968, all sorts of stool-creaking ambience in that.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 13 October 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Hooray for Mark Hollis' solo album and everything it stands for.
I love(d) Tilt but it's no Spirit of Eden.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Monday, 13 October 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Well...I just plunked down 16 bux for this muther, based on y'all's advice. You fules betta be right or I WILL get nasty!
(Obviously, somewhat skeptical still. We'll see in a lil' while.)

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 13 October 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Francis W - is the "lil' while" over yet? so, wot's your impression of it all?

*curious*

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 13 October 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Maaaaaaaaang...
Spare and beautiful...but, maybe TOO spare and restrained, and quiet.
The album obviously works better as a whole than as a collection of individual songs. I can definitely see the appeal of it, though. Maybe it came off as too ambient sounding for my tastes. Plus, Mark Hollis' voice kind of grates on my ears. It's like some unholy amalgam of Chris Isaak and Bryan Ferry, which can be alternately great and grate, depending on my tolerance level. I still liked it a lot, and I guess I could consider it as a masterpiece, but not an all-time classic. But hey, what do I know?! So I'm gonna give it several more spins tonight when I go to bed and relax. I'll pop the headphones on and see what nuances I can pick up on the second time around.

PS- Based on my suspicions, I will probably fall madly in love with it and take it to Vegas for a shotgun wedding by the fourth listen. And it wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc11425/IntSD250198.html


good mark hollis interview.

scott seward, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc11425/Interviews.html


this page has a lot of good interviews. including one with phill brown.

scott seward, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Turn it UP when no one's home.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, I listened to it several times on headphones today, and I gotta say I still don't love it, but I'm appreciating it more. It's too post-rock-ish for my personal tastes still, which is what's getting in the way of further enjoyment. And it keeps on reminding me of latter-day Radiohead for some reason, which I'm not a fan of. It's gotta RAWK some more, dammit!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"Desire" rocks so fucking hard

Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Please don't shoot!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it true that they once spent an entire day recording a virtuoso violinist, just hours and hours of tape... and the only thing they kept on the record was a little mistake by the violinist? How about that other legend where they spent another entire day recording a choir and then delted the whole thing the next day because it was "too perfect"?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

The choir thing is true. The violin bit probably is too. Mind you, that sax break at the beginning of What's Going On was the guy warming up, not knowing the mic was on.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, the Ph1ll Br0wn interviews collected in Tape Op Magazine dish ALL the dirt on Talk Talk ... well ... maybe except for the coke.

I just got Bed's Spacebox and The Newton Plum and I've got to heartily concur whoever recommended these upthread.

The thing is ... it's so difficult to evaluate Bed objectively, that is to say apart from its role as pornography that caters to Talk Talk/Bark Psychosis enthusiasts.

I love all this music. It's now a neat little genre that's been cooking steadily (but slowly and carefully) for fifteen years. Truly an interesting phenomenon, as far as music goes.

Hmmm ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

After an initially good reaction, Bed have left me cold. I've not played Spacebox or The Newton Plum for pleasure since I first got them a few months ago. It's parody, nothing more. I'm faintly disappointed in myself for ever getting worked up about it.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 16 October 2003 08:49 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
Just bought it and it was really good. Sparce sounds backed up with lovely melodies.

I am just suprised that I missed it in 88, it could have been altering my mind for years. Better late than never.

hector (hector), Sunday, 4 April 2004 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
Then, now and always.....FLAWLESS.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 May 2005 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)

especially at 4a.m.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 21 May 2005 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just learning Violin and this is my favourite album to jam along to.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Saturday, 21 May 2005 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Found this on YouTube, their last ever TV appearance:

I Believe In You

For fanatics, something sublime (even though it's mimed).
For the unconverted, it'll swing you one way or the other (RadioWho?).

Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Sunday, 3 September 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

New ILX doesn't seem to recognise this as a new answer... so I'm trying again.

Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Sunday, 3 September 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

five years pass...

Still amazing. I know every second and it still floors me.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 26 February 2012 21:42 (fourteen years ago)

Absolutely love it. I think I prefer Laughing Stock just a touch more though.

Turrican, Monday, 27 February 2012 11:48 (fourteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Played it at our record club last night.

http://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/talk-talk-spirit-of-eden-round-38-nicks-choice/

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:58 (thirteen years ago)

Graham at our record club adores late-period Talk Talk, but he's kind of encountered it as an end-point, and not really kept up with music after getting into these records.

So, given that Graham also likes Cocteau Twins, Simple Minds, and various other early 80s alternative stuff, what records from the last decade might you recommend for him?

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:20 (thirteen years ago)

That record club blog is fun. Nice one!

mr.raffles, Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:00 (thirteen years ago)

XP - Ulrich Schnauss?

Pat Ast vs Jean Arp (MaresNest), Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:30 (thirteen years ago)

M83, Telefon Tel Aviv, Glasser

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 25 October 2012 03:13 (thirteen years ago)

Shearwater?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 October 2012 03:28 (thirteen years ago)

More electronic stuff probably isn't going to float Graham's boat, I'm afraid; he's been left pretty nonplussed by the likes of Four Tet at record club. He's a big Led Zep and Pink Floyd fan, so I think the rockier / profiler angle is probably the one to take.

I'm thinking Grizzly Bear, Smother by Wild Beasts, maybe latterday Swans, Bark Psychosis (obviously). Shearwater are a good shout. I think the last Notwist album had quite a pastoral Talk Talk vibe at points.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 25 October 2012 06:52 (thirteen years ago)

Might be worth trying Tame Impala on him, for an updated 60s / 70s vibe. "Pygmalion" by Slowdive, admittedly not last ten years but he might like it. What about Mogwai? "Rock action" has a few tracks with a post Talk Talk vibe?

Rob M Revisited, Thursday, 25 October 2012 07:00 (thirteen years ago)

Maybe Dungen alongside Tame Impala. Rock Action might be a good shout.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 25 October 2012 07:03 (thirteen years ago)

Calico e might be a good shout. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, too.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 25 October 2012 07:07 (thirteen years ago)

Califone, fuck you, iPad.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 25 October 2012 07:07 (thirteen years ago)

Try him on The Gathering - How To Measure A Planet.

Miss Anus Regrets (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 25 October 2012 15:03 (thirteen years ago)

Oh!

What about Cass McCombs - Wit's End

It'd be perfect?

Evan, Friday, 26 October 2012 05:30 (thirteen years ago)

Maybe worth taking a look in this thread Nick

Music that sounds like 'Spirit of Eden' and 'Laughing Stock'

I hear a Talk Talk vibe in that last Notwist album as well. If it's Post-Rock-y stuff he's into maybe Labradford or Do Make Say Think.

Aside of that maybe

Destroyer - The Laziest River

Menomena - Mines (One of the most under appreciated albums of recent years for me. I hear a Talk Talk sensibility in some of their stuff)

Bon Iver - Bon Iver (Probably not the most popular or hip choice but I get a Spirit of Eden influence in this. They used to cover 'I Believe In You' live as well)

King Kreosote and Jon Hopkins - Diamond Mine

Idaho - Hearts of Palm or The Lone Gunman

Internet Alan, Friday, 26 October 2012 08:50 (thirteen years ago)

Diamond Mine!

Yeah, had a root through that thread when I posted this, some good suggestions.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 26 October 2012 08:53 (thirteen years ago)

Given that your friend has a liking of Pink Floyd, Zep and the Cocteau Twins, I wonder if he might like a band on K-Scope called North Atlantic Oscillation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M43P_8UkA5A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFYImUCbiGA

Pat Ast vs Jean Arp (MaresNest), Friday, 26 October 2012 10:00 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah, Graham could do worse than investigate the entire K-Scope catalog. Or go even further and explore the Burning Shed site. (Thanks for the "Cell Count" link, Mares. A great, great song that's going down particularly well this morning.)

The first Marconi Union, Under Wires and Searchlights, is also worth checking. They went much deeper into the electronics after this, but the debut is a engaging mix of atmospherics, Gilmour-era Floyd and Morricone guitar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUFUC7ndTeA

doug watson, Friday, 26 October 2012 13:56 (thirteen years ago)

three months pass...

I first listened to Spirit of Eden at a time of crisis in my life. It was the year I graduated college and my first love/first relationship ended. I was at rock bottom. Spirit of Eden was the most deeply moving and spiritually cathartic album I had ever heard.

Around the same time, I had also listened to similar albums such as Hex (Bark Psychosis) which became one of my favorite albums and is, for me, perfect late-night listening and the quintessential winter album. At this time, I listened to Laughing Stock, as well, and, although its instrumental complexities were entrancing, it simply did not speak to my emotions the way Spirit of Eden did.

Spirit of Eden is still the album I go to when I'm at my lowest and searching for my path.

It's one of my Desert Island albums, alongside
A Storm in Heaven (The Verve)
No Other (Gene Clark)
Lazer Guided Melodies (Spiritualized)

Graveyard Poet, Monday, 25 February 2013 09:46 (thirteen years ago)

GP, you don't need to post this on every thread.

fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Monday, 25 February 2013 09:49 (thirteen years ago)

I actually find LS more cathartic than SoE, to the extent that I don't listen to it anywhere near as often because it's almost too much.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 25 February 2013 09:55 (thirteen years ago)

^this. and I also have the same relationship with Tilt.

multi instru mentat list (Jon Lewis), Monday, 25 February 2013 15:26 (thirteen years ago)

Haha just saw all the dupe posts

multi instru mentat list (Jon Lewis), Monday, 25 February 2013 15:28 (thirteen years ago)

twelve years pass...

were there never any live performances of these songs?

love spirit of eden to pieces

weirdly not that into laughing stock, oh well some day

corrs unplugged, Monday, 1 September 2025 07:27 (nine months ago)


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