Jay Z/ Nas and other hiphop throwdowns...resurrected. Part 4

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yeah it was written is MAYBE better than gods son.... its funny how that metaphor has mutated over the course of organized konfusion-->nas-->pac-->jigga

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i didn't realize how much i loved illmatic until one morning i couldn't find the cd and i ran up and down the house all frantic like. (it was behind the sofa). so, yeah, buy that.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:13 (twenty-two years ago)

50 sounds south to me even some of his beats are pseudo bounce!

stevem, despite what most people will tell you, 'it was written' and 'god's son' are the best nas albums lyrcially, if you want hungry classic queens crack music then 'illmatic' is better but a bit too jazzy. i actually think 'lifestyles ov da poor and dangerous' has better mcing and better beats.

i think nas is better than jay z because i have a feeling i'd get on better with him in real life, i love jay z but i think he'd do my head in after while.

ok i have a question who is better proof vs royce the 5'9"?

― sean g, Friday, 12 September 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I gotta agree with what Matt said about 50. He is not all that hardcore to me. Actually, I don't like most of his tracks, but I only hear what they play on the radio. I will say I was wrong about him sale wise. I thought he would flop but I stand corrected on that point, but I still can't get into most of his songs (with the exception on Many Men). Trife, I didn't see the Source/50 story yet, but if they dissed him I'm not surprised. Eminem, one of the people behind 50's recent success, had beef with Benzo. Ben has very close ties to The Source (Em said Ben owns it). Ben and Em had words, so it's not that big of a jump for Ben and or the Source to send hate toward 50. It's the case of my enemy's friend is my enemy.

― Qoolout, Friday, 12 September 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i know the story with that, i just couldnt believe they made a fucking cover story out of it!! sean g i said the exact same thing abt 50 having 'bouncish' beats earlier!! and i dont think illmatic is really 'too jazzy', it doesnt have that weak jazz sound like so many golden age albums... qool if you dont think 50's that hardcore (though many men is possibly the streetest track of their year, lyrically...i remember hearing it the first time and just gasping at each verse) who are your top ten realest mcs ever!?!?! 1) b.i.g. 2) pun 3) pac 4) beans 5) scarface 6) capone 7) prodigy 8) cube 9) pastor troy 10) 50 cent

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

oh sorry wait 1) benzino, duh!!

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh my God, this shit is back up... shout out to Qool for letting me in on this...

But since we talking about 50, I gots to go with Chris Rock. All you hear about 50 is "he got shot 9 times!" hows the record? "HE GOT SHOT 9 TIMES!". Yeah some of the tracks are tight, but most of that is down to production, and yeah he puts down (a few) hot lines but it aint a great album. As for him being hardcore, well, the spits are hardcore, the way he does it aint. If you want hardcore, go with DMX.

But to leave on a high note, heres a little from my man Dizzee Rascal. 19 year old kid from London who just won the Mercury music prize which is a pretty big deal over here.

"more destructive and troublesome than ever/i'll PROBABLY be doing this PROBABLY forever/fellas wanna stop me they'll PROBABLY come together/its PROBABLE they'll stop me/PROBABLY - never"

I'm out like... part 1, part 2 and part 3...

Peace

― 3:16, Friday, 12 September 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

dmx isnt 'hardcore' hes practically incoherent

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

really i like x a lot but his melodramatic shit isnt very hardcore its like a tragic vaudeville show

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

haha yeah, DMX is hardcore... something...

his new single is a lot more fun if you imagine him yelling "I LOVE DIIICK" instead of the actual chorus. and the video supplants what is usually his overt homoeroticism with ALL OUT GAY PORN ORGY.

― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Friday, 12 September 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

trife, I think you left someone off the "realest" list: Kool G Rap.

1) He basically (w/songs like Rikers Island, Streets of New York, and Talk Like Sex) was the first hardcore gangsta NYC MC.

2) His tragically underrated Live and Let Die (even though it supposedly got butchered in the final release thanx to Ice-T's cop killa) is really the first NYC record to incoporate some of the West Coast sound and gangsta attitude...Bascially, the same thing Biggie did with Ready to Die but 2 years before Biggie came out

3) His flow, voice, lyrics, everything are damn near perfect

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 12 September 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah Where the Hood At? video really freaks me out.....the part that grosses me the most is the almost-pornographic bullet wound shots they cut in there....it looks like some kind of violence-porn beaver shots.....yucky. I like the song more than most people do, though.....even though X Gonna Give it to You was better and basically the same thing (although I guess you could say that about almost all of DMX's songs, really, he's like the AC/DC of rap!)

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 12 September 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

shit youre right i forgot kool g rap!!! dang i always forget 80s ppl....

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

gotta give it up for the forefathers! I get really irritated when I see interviews with rappers and they say, "Yo, like I grew up in the old-school era, like Biggie, Pac, and Wu-Tang".....I thought MTV's best mcs ever was way too skewed towards popular rappers now (seriously, Foxy fuckin' Brown is one of the best 50 ever??? give me a break), but that's MTV in everything they do....their best video lists are like um...Smells Like Teen Spirit, Sledgehammer, Walk This Way, Fight For Your Right, and then like whatever videos are popular the day they edit the show...

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i never saw that mtv thing but foxy is one of the worst mcs ever!!! when you got great beats and hov ghostwriting and you STILL sound wack its time to give this rap shit up

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

i dunno i dont rep for the forefathers that much though its important to move on and stay fresh, some of that 80s stuff sounds good but so much of it is just like youre waiting for something to happen, the mcs are so slow and enunciate everything perfectly, and the beats are like this really wack drum pattern with some totally played old funk sample on top... though i was kinda annoyed when rapcitys old skool jams of the day just kept getting newer and newer, i remember seeing like supa dupa fly on there in like 99 or 00, how the fuck is that an old skool jam?!?!?

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Oops actually it was VH1 and foxy wasn't on it. The list was 50 greatest hip hop artists. But, foxy or no foxy, it's a shit list either way...

http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/the_greatest/65574/episode_wildcard.jhtml?wildcard=/shows/dynamic/includes/wildcards/the_greatest/50hip_hop/1_50_aux.jhtml&event_id=864597

look for yourself....Salt n Pepa is in the top 10, that's all I'll say (and Arrested Development made the fucking list!)

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 12 September 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

salt n pepa were geniuses!! and that site crashed me can you paste the whole list into the thread ?

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Nah, there was an MTV "top 22 MCs" list as well, and Foxy was on it. I remember getting a headache when they put Dr. Dre at number 7 (!).

― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Friday, 12 September 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The Fat Boys were the realest MCs ever. Said they were fat, and they were fat. Truth in packaging! Rapped to the Monkees too. M.O.P. love rock 'n' roll; also rapped to the Monkees, if you consider that they used the chords to "Steppin' Stone" in "Ante Up." (But Boyce 'n' Hart took those chords from "For Your Love," which took 'em from "House of the Rising Sun." Cream took "Tales of Brave Ulysses" from M.O.P.)

50 Cent isn't trying to sound hard.

I love everything I've heard by Foxy (which is two songs, maybe).

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 12 September 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and how is "incoherent" incompatible with "hardcore"?

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 12 September 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i dont mean hes like incoherent in his INCREDIBLE THUGNESS i just always think of dmx as more like a dancehall mc than a rapper, all the hardcore mcs i listed are real for their words, and their actions, x just always felt like a performer to me

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

and i enjoy him a lot for what he does as a performer!! but if you wanna be hardcore you got to CONVINCE me and x just cant rap

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

B.I.G. and Pun also convince me: they were fat too. Not sure they were as good as the Fat Boys. But they were fatter.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 12 September 2003 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Which makes them realer.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 12 September 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's the VH1 List:

1. Run-D.M.C.

2. Public Enemy

3. 2Pac

4. The Notorious B.I.G.

5. LL Cool J

6. Eminem

7. Dr. Dre

8. Grandmaster Flash

9. Salt-N-Pepa

10. Jay-Z

11. Beastie Boys

12. Wu-Tang Clan

13. NWA

14. P. Diddy

15. Missy Elliott

16. Ice-T

17. Fugees / Lauryn Hill

18. Afrika Bambaattaa

19. Nas

20. Eric B & Rakim

21. Outkast

22. KRS-One

23. DMX

24. Queen Latifah

25. Snoop Dogg

26. Ice Cube

27. A Tribe Called Quest

28. Busta Rhymes

29. Nelly

30. Will Smith / D.J. Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh

31. Naughty By Nature

32. Cypress Hill

33. De La Soul

34. Lil' Kim

35. Big Daddy Kane

36. Master P

37. The Roots

38. Biz Markie

39. Ja Rule

40. Gang Starr

41. MC Lyte

42. Kurtis Blow

43. Coolio

44. MC Hammer

45. Heavy D. & The Boyz

46. Eve

47. Arrested Development

48. Kool Moe Dee

49. Tone Loc

50. Sugarhill Gang

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 12 September 2003 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

On the "real" thing, I was just thinking about this....and I think that whole term is kind of a misnomer. I mean, I grew up nowhere near the hood so I have no fucking idea what it's really like. Also, unless you personally know a rapper or grew up with him/her it's kind of impossible to really determine how much is performance vs. reality in their persona....

I think when I say that an MC is "real" I really mean "I like his music" and when I say an MC is fake I really mean "I don't like his music" Also, when it comes down to it, who cares if it's so real it's beyond fake or whatever, as long as it's good?

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 12 September 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, when I say someone is real, I mean that he does what he says he's going to do. David Banner is fat, which would normally make him real. But I opened his CD and it didn't have a banner. It didn't even have a T-shirt. What a phony! Now, if he'd called himself David Fatter, he'd have been OK.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 13 September 2003 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Only if he was fatter than everyone, Frank.

― David. (Cozen), Saturday, 13 September 2003 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

No, only if he was fatter than someone. In fact, he could have called himself David Thinner and been real, too. But the Fat Boys are the realest, since combined they're bigger than Pun. Now, if the Spice Girls had called themselves the Fat Girls, they'd be the realest, because combined they're fatter than the Fat Boys. If they'd only known...

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 13 September 2003 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The VH-1 list has a shocking bias in favor of performers who had hit videos. That's the only way to explain how Kool Moe Dee is on there and the much better Treacherous Three aren't. Going by the music, Spoonie Gee should have been number one, L'Trimm and Bambaataa top five, and the Sugarhill Gang a lot higher than fifty.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 13 September 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

And Roxanne Shanté should be top five as well.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 13 September 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I typed all this in: "Yeah, the 'fatter than someone' prospect occurred to me. But you're putting yourself out there calling yourself 'fatter', that's quite a claim, people aren't going to be expecting you to be voicing the spoils on some personal beef, they're going to be thinking it's some grandiose pronouncement. I mean, semantically you have me beat, but I'm not sure a rapper would be so humble." and then I thought "um."

― David. (Cozen), Saturday, 13 September 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone could call himself the Notorius U.M., and claim that he was Ummer than everybody.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 13 September 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You're umming me out.

― David. (Cozen), Saturday, 13 September 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Hanging round the dip like that.

― David. (Cozen), Saturday, 13 September 2003 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

By the way, Qoolout, sorry for ruining your thread on dumb jokes, but there's actually a purpose to the jokes: The "real" thing is such a cliché at this point. Clichés become clichés for a reason, of course, and the reason for this cliché is that lots and lots of us believe or have been taught to believe that in order to live we have to be fake. And in consequence in our creative imaginations we project onto stars a reality that we fall short of. And so to be real the star has to take a bullet (if he's black) or go wildly and daringly out of control on drugs (if he's white). Which means to be real he has to die, which means he no longer exists, which means to be real he ultimately ends up not real. And Ethan, though this isn't incoherent, it's sure a paradox.

Sorry if what I wrote is a bit schematic, or glib; I'm trying to be concise. Anyway, the paradox is profound, and it's not going to disappear, because it has strong causes and deep roots. A Jewish poet enslaved in Babylon wrote "For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song/And they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying/'Sing us one of the songs of Zion'/But how can we sing the Lord's song/In a strange land?" So anyone who's made complicit in his own oppression (and few aren't) might feel that death is more honest than mirth, self-destruction more real than a song. "Let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth." But in music the cliché is getting increasingly wrung dry. Eminem can still wrest great poetry out of it, but for most it's become a tired trope, albeit one that can still kill them. The term "hardcore" deserves to dodder off to its grave, whether it's punk, rave, hip-hop, or porn.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 13 September 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay first I gotta rep for foxy brown here. Trife i suspect you've only heard her way early stuff. Check Broken Silence and she really comes into her own voice and that's coz she IS writing her own lyrics. The 'hov lyrics on the first album are good as hov lyrics, but yeah it never works to spit someone else's rhymes. Even then I loved her voice though and she figured out how to really emote by Broken Silence. Her unreleased stuff (Ill Na Na 2: The Fever) is straight real too (sorry frank). I mean that its all lyrically up in that minimal new york sound heavy on lyrics light on hooks and production (which is totally different than Broken Silence where she brings Jamaica and middle eastern and etc.) Also the narrative flow really gets stronger -- she tells stories, y'know?

Okay also on this real thing frank I think yr right that the "real" is a construct but the point is to grasp it not wish it away. Then you can play with it, coz see we GOTTA thing about the real otherwise what's the point of the music. DMX doesn't rock the thug image, but its like jess quipped he's emo. I mean he ties the "pain" of being an entertainer to the "pain" of hard streets like I love that "X put in years of work and its ALL FOR THE KIDS" line in X Gonna Give It To Ya.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 13 September 2003 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

dip set dip set dip set!

― todd burns (toddburns), Saturday, 13 September 2003 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

No, my point is not that "real" is a construct. I didn't use the word "construct" or raise the issue. Jeesh!

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 13 September 2003 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

okay its not a "social construct" but instead a "critical cliche" that we all live with.

still i think that its sorta utopian to ask that we eliminiate "the real" from pop and its discourse. i mean it seems to be the only thing pop is about. i mean doesn't arguing about "real" map onto arguing about "real hip-hop" map onto arguing about GENRE boundaries which I thought we agreed was part of the vital life of music in the FIRST PLACE?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 13 September 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Also trife check Foxy's "superfreak" produced by jazze pha.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 13 September 2003 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

still i think that its sorta utopian to ask that we eliminate "the real" from pop and its discourse.

Which I wasn't suggesting that we do. Sorry Sterling, you're one of the brightest men on here, but I can't think of a more boring response to what I wrote than to decide that I'm saying that "the real" is a construct and that "the real" should be eliminated from pop and its discourse. O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be that subjects you to interminable irrelevant talk about the real being a social construct.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 13 September 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

please stop ruining this thread, Misters Clover and Kogan. thank you.

― michael ward, Saturday, 13 September 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

What up 3:16? And to cuz who said he wants to post some rhymes...post some rhymes. What's the worse that can happen? Nothing. That's right, "nothing" is the worse that can happen. As far as DMX goes, cuz is hardcore. I think (but could be wrong) that some people are getting "hardcore" confused with being a good rapper. You can't really say he ain't hardcore; based on what we see of him and what we heard about him, cuz is hard. Now that all certainly can be an act, but I'ma just take it at face value unless someone here claims to know him. Now if you're talking about him being a good rapper, I'm in the middle. His first CD was one of the best rap CD's ever. I know that's a huge statement and I stand by it. I do, however, admit that I couldn't get with none of the following CDs he released. I haven't heard his latest yet, but I do like "Where the Hood At." I think X has been trying too hard to sound like his first joint "It's Dark," but he's been coming up short. "Then there was X" was close but then he came out with another album after that and it was another disappointment. If he can capture the energy/style /production and "all that other stuff" he had with CD # 1 is yet to be seen, but I think it is possible, not likely but possible. Trife, I can't give a list of my favorites from best to worse, it's just too hard to decide, but I can give a list of them in a random order. Pac, Eminem, Jada, B.I.G., Nas, and Jay comes to mind. Then you have people whose work I loved, but then they started putting out stuff I hated. Scarface (but I did like The Fix) Ice Cube and as stated above DMX. I wanna put Snoop on there but I just can't. As far as old school rappers go, I don't love them as much as many of my peers do. They paved the way and without them, hiphop would not have produced the list I just named. But times have changed. I can listen to NWA from time to time, but like someone already said, the flow is just too basic and slow when compared to today's standards. The rhymes are predictable, and not all that clever in my opinion. Like I said they paved the way and for that they get props from me, but I just rather not hear them in my current rotation, just like you don't wanna see the NBA from yesteryear. You'd much rather see A.I, Kobe and V. Carter. Frank, don't mention it. Lastly, Foxy ain't the best rapper, but I suggest we take people for what they are. If you want to hear some great rap and some witty lines, she ain't the one. Just like if you want to see a five star theatrical drama, don't go watch "Scary Movie," but you can still enjoy it.

― Qoolout, Saturday, 13 September 2003 04:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm glad to see someone else has given into the impulse I feel on a daily basis to just start posting DIP SET DIP SET DIP SET DIP SET in random threads.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 13 September 2003 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

okay frank you don't want "the real" to go away but you want the term "hardcore" to go away. cuz you find it a played cliche. i think i see what yr. getting at -- pushing towards redefining authenticity so it doesn't involve pain and dying.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 13 September 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

True

― Myself, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"My guns is grandfather clock size..." - Jadakiss

All I got to say is I PUT Y'ALL NIGGAS UP ON JADAKISS!

I was gonna try and read everyone who posted, but I got bored so I'll go to three of the topics I saw...

Whoever said they wanted to spit, I say... SPIT! If you seen any of the earlier shit from Bob or even Squirrel Police, you can easily do better than that. In fact, watch me: "I'm a poet, bout to show it, don't you know it?" See? Thanks to Boob and Squirlplise, that's not the worse line spat!

Now, let's not even get to our favorite MCs! Dammit, my PERSONAL list would go 2Pac, Pimp C of UGK, Big Boi of Outkast, Andre "Ice Cold" 3000, and Juicy J of Three 6. But that's DA SOUTH in me. If I had to list the top five MCs UNBIASED it would go 2Pac, BIG, Eminem, Jay-Z, and Outkast. But tell the truth, A3K fucks it up on "Hey Ya!" You know you like it.

Finally, 50 Cent's album is nice. Like 3:16 (U Never Imagined This Evil Dilemma... my neezy), I agree it's at least 60% production - it's Dre, dammit - but 50 still be havin me rollin. He's nice, definitely nowhere near Pac or Big or even Jay-Z, and sellin like crazy. And simply, his album is just mad nice. Mad nice.

All right, I'm gone.

I'm out like part 1, 2, and... oops, my bad 3:16... Peace!

― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Friday, 19 September 2003 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

this goth high school girl
who lives in the projects here
once said to me that

'i don't like much rap
except dmx because
he's kind of a goth'

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 19 September 2003 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

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why is nas hanging jay-z
iRapMad 3 days ago

because he won the beef after he dropped ether
MCBobbyE in reply to iRapMad 3 days ago

― am0n, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 14:24 (thirteen years ago)

"Since Jay-Z would really let us hang him, we made this"

this dude is creepy as fuck

― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 15:39 (thirteen years ago)

Nas to be on CNN tomorrow morning for Soledad Obrien's Starting Point...
Nas to be a panelist on CNN tomorrow morning [6.13.12] for Soledad Obrien's Starting Point

Nas will get into all this tomorrow

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 16:25 (thirteen years ago)

rip jay z

― am0n, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 16:27 (thirteen years ago)

I wanted to comment on the historical resonance of a bunch of white dudes making an animatronic image of a famous black dude that they could program to realistically struggle and twitch as they hang him from a gallows pole but the fact that this was all commissioned by another famous black dude is melting my mind.

also m@tt OTM

― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 16:49 (thirteen years ago)

At what point do you think, "y'know what? I don't think I need this particular paycheck this bad"?

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 16:59 (thirteen years ago)

I think when you are watching the doc short played back and you realize you are the dude standing on the platform imitating the jerking movements of a black man struggling to keep from being lynched, you should have some regrets.

― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 17:00 (thirteen years ago)

http://img.youtube.com/vi/1YWYPaY5UUg/0.jpg

― am0n, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 17:12 (thirteen years ago)

g.o.a.t. eyes

― am0n, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 17:15 (thirteen years ago)

omg :55

― goole, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 17:20 (thirteen years ago)

three years pass...

the salad days of Qoolout and Hillis 3000

― a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 14:38 (ten years ago)

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