Seriously, is there anything better than the Pet Shop Boys?

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I wrote a recent Stylus essay defending "Please." Some of its (quite good) album tracks are overlooked because its singles are so strong.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

The Introspective version of "I Want A Dog" is possibly the dumbest, most abjectly pathetic reimagining of a song outside of maybe the Flicker mix of "The Caterpillar" and it's about as hard as a bowl of cream.

Also, "Why Don't We Live Together?" and "Two Divided By Zero" are easily the best tracks on Please.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan OTM on "Why Don't We Live Together?" – my fave early PSB song.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I should probably get "Please" on CD - this thread is making me want to listen to it again.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Why do you hate "Domino Dancing" so much, Dan? Seriously. Is it the "ALL DAY ALL DAY" chants?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

give me the complete discographies to PSB and Saint Etienne and Underworld and a desert isle and I'll be okay.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm interested to know why the hate for "Domino Dancing".

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i was thinking about posting a TS: Prince's 80s vs Pet Shop Boys career. It's about the same number of albums, no? a couple less for PSB. Anyway, I'd have a really hard time with that one.

also, Bilingual is horridly underappreciated (did any of that has to do with it being the first release by Sire (US, dunno about UK) and them not knowing what to do with it). I defy anyone to hear "Se a Vida E" and not smile.

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I just love how Domino Dancing prove that there is a little bit of you (Alex in NYC) in everybody. I Wonder how Dan is going to react to the information that Green Velvet is covering it for his forthcoming album (all lies - ok half a lie).

Jedmond (Jedmond), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost x 3

I do wonder sometimes whether my love for Domino Dancing is due to the fact that it's the first freestyle song I heard.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

There are many things better than the Pet Shop Boys, but they're pretty great.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

and also what's Dan's opinion of "I Get Excited" is (while also hoping Ewan Pearson is referring to it on his Enthusiasm page.

xpost

Jedmond (Jedmond), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I bought about 80 PSB cd's, 12's and albums in a job lot on ebay last month, most everything they released between 87 and 92 and it's all pretty much perfect, but today I'm going for Young Offender from Very.

I fear though they've entered the twilight zone where Bowie's at where every new albums a supposed return to form, but sadly falls short. Fortunately they haven't released their Tin Machine yet.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: "West End Girls" vs. Human League's "Don't You Want Me"

That would be a tough one for me.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Get Excited" = great. The Introspective B-sides kick every single shade of ass imaginable over the wretched, irredeemable A-sides.

I utterly despise "Domino Dancing" because it is limpid, unimiginative, derivative, plodding, crass, unenjoyable, unforgivable, stupid, ugly-sounding, gauche, pandering, insufferable and all-around awful, plus it features one of Neil Tennant's most embarrassing vocal performances to date. And yes, those fucking stupid "All day all day" chants make me want to kill.

I am seriously working myself up into a rage thinking about this song. The last song that made me feel this homicidal when thinking about it was "Rollin'" by Limp Bizkit.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

YOUR BLOOD IS BOILING!

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"Watch them all fall down" SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU NASAL GIT

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I was with your rant until the last sentence, Dan.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

actually I don't think "Domino Dancing" is quite that awful, but its pretty negligible.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey hey, good peoples! Dan posted a detailed explanation about his "Domino Dancing" hate on that other thread and you are all REPEATING YOURSELVES. Those who do not check other threads are doomed to repeat them! I am the alpha and the omega!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

1. The music is a sub-par Expose/Miami Sound Machine pastiche.
2. The chorus, particularly the "all day, all day" or whatever it is that's being chirped by the zombie backup singers, is one of the most irritating things ever recorded.
3. Much of the production seems to revel in all of the things they did wrong with the single mix of "Suburbia", mainly in highlighting the tenuous, reedy, unpleasant qualities in Neil Tennant's voice and reducing the rhythm section to something that sounds like it should be playing during one of the car chase scenes in "Mannequin".
4. It's too mid-tempo to pull of its Expose/Miami Sound Machine pastiche and ends up sounding like a tired, plodding mess.
5. It was the first thing they released after Actually and is so much worse than everything on that album (including "Shopping") that they should be embarrassed.

Also, the original b-side version of "I Want A Dog" on the "Rent" single is so infinitely superior to the Introspective version that it isn't even funny.

-- The Ghost of Dan Perry (djperr...), February 24th, 2005.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, this thread was damned to redundancy with the first post.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

you really should have posted "WE HAVE LICKED PET SHOP BOY ASS PLENTY ON ILM, THANK YOU" and locked the thread.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Woah, this thread blew up while I was at lunch.

And I finally agree with Dan Perry about something! (Domino Dancing)

the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, why are you so grouchy lately?

the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link

haha don't presume too much out of two threads, dude.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: Domino Dancing by PSB vs. Dominoes by Donald Byrd

"Watch them all fall down" vs. "Put our problems all in a row/Watch them fall like dominoes"

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

haha don't presume too much out of two threads, dude.

Okay.

the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear's TS made me realize I probably can only think of five PSB songs I'd take over "Ghetto Jam."

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"Domino Dancing" by PSB vs "Domino" by Genesis

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

...vs. "Domino" by Robbie Nevil vs. "Donimo" by the Cocteau Twins...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

vs "Domino" by Van Morrison vs "Domino" by Genesis.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

oh man, I think your description of that Genesis track is one of the first things I read of yours, Dan! I have to hear that some day.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

ah so you've met him/her then, Miccio? xpost

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

what/huh?

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

> I absolutely cannot tire of hearing "West End Girls". It's simply perfect.

Absolutely 100% OTM. My favourite song of all time.

Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: "Two Divided By Zero" vs "One More Chance" vs "Left To My Own Devices" vs "Being Boring" vs "Can You Forgive Her?" vs "Discoteca" vs "For Your Own Good" vs "Home And Dry"

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"Two Divided By Zero" wins.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

(haha yeah I know but "One More Chance" comes close)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it as good as "Two Divided by Love" by the Grass Roots?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Or "Love Minus Zero/No Limit"?

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

> The amazing PopArt DVD contains all their promo vidoes and includes commentary from PSB themselves

... except that their comments are wholly unilluminating. I was so disappointed by the lack of insight offered by the dialogue. The Pet Shop Boys have probably the most interesting back-catalogue of singles and promo videos of any of their peers, and Chris Heath had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to draw out the thoughts of Neil Tennant, one of the most intelligent and articulate pop stars of the twentieth century, on this treasure trove of finely-wrought picture and sound.
Heath's commentary, however, rarely rises above the level of, "That's a nice hat you're wearing there, Chris."

As I listened and the words hit my ears / I cried sudden tears

Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought the commentary was fun.

"Domino Dancing" is easily one of my top 3 PSB tracks - my reasons for which are detailed on another thread. Please note that Dan tends to have excellent taste in artists, but then either loves or reviles random and/or odd tracks for reasons which escape me!

Also: Always thought Tennant's allusion to Edmund Wilson's To the Finland Station in "West End Girls" was dead cool as well.

This is actually a direct reference to Lenin's famous itinerary during WWI.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing" and "Can You Forgive Her" are the ultimate classics by them.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

> ... except that their comments are wholly unilluminating.

Come on! It's worth it for Lowe's hat knowledge alone!

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I absolutely loved the comments in that video. Made most of the videos way better.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

In that DVD, I mean

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"Go West" is their greatest video. I wrote a paper on it once.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Me and my sis used to rock out to se a vida e (or whatever) when we were kids. I haven't heard that song in YEARS.

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I will go for "I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing" as their best video. That "videogame" with the two of them doing martial arts is marvellous.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

iPlayer link, good 'til mid-August.

boney tassel (sic), Friday, 25 July 2014 06:11 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

That ]Smash Hits "obituary"...

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2906/14193502729_27d2a922d6_b.jpg

Turrican, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link

*Smash Hits, rather.

Turrican, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:58 (eight years ago) link

haha that's great

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 17:15 (eight years ago) link

I actually can't wait to see if the Smash Hits blog stretches on into 1986/1987... hoping that I'll be able to read some vintage Smash Hits reviews of PSB stuff, just to see how easy/harsh they are on their former co-worker. As for Tennant's own reviews for Smash Hits, naturally I agree with some and not others. I was particularly pleased to see that he "got" Soft Cell's This Last Night In Sodom.

Turrican, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link

Tennant's slick hair is so charming.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link

great image - also, The Untouchables were my first ever concert.

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link

I imagine Chris looking at this photo and considering tweaking his image

plops of jupiter (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link

Ha, yeah... when I saw it, I was like "fuck, Chris looks unusually chipper!"

Turrican, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link

five years pass...

A fine thing:

Pet Shop Boys recently announced plans to release on YouTube a collection of their @BBC TV performances from 1985 until 2012. The collection so far includes nineteen performances recorded on Top of the Pops, The Old Grey Whistle Test and Wogan. Link below.https://t.co/YRt3gO0nh5

— Pet Shop Boys (@petshopboys) October 30, 2020

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 October 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

I really like this new single "Desert Star". 1986 all over.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 5 April 2024 10:29 (two months ago) link


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