― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
And anyway, hip hop's vile, so who honestly cares what they rap about? I know I don't.
― russ t, Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
I want to say something about black culture in Jamaica is not the same as in America or England, and also about how homosexuality is a very different construct in black America compared to white america. But I'm in over my head, and I'll admit it.
― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
I also like how she uses "Niggaz With Attitude" on first reference.
― Sam J. (samjeff), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
Hmmmmm.....I seem to remember Chuck D. exhorting the line: "Man on Man? I don't know, maybe so -- but from what I know, the PARTS DON'T FIT!"
Followed swiftly by Flav exclaming: "Awwww Shit!"
Is that homophobia? You decide.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about Alexis Petridis. Did you know that the music nowadays is seperated in uncultured working class youths who listen to trance, and intelligent cultured middle class art students who listen to Hundred Reasons? Alexis does.
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
(see also Eldridge Cleaver's homophobic go at him in Soul on Ice)
― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
Oh and, Tone Loc to thread:
"This is the 80s and I'm down with the ladies...I don't mess around with no Oscar Meyer Weiner"
― Ryan McKay (Ryan McKay), Thursday, 1 May 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 2 May 2003 09:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― OleM (OleM), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
Also, is that Caushun album as bad as I think it is?
― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
MCA on 'Sure Shot', effectively 'apologising' for the mysoginist comments made by Beastie Boys on previous album(s), before their apology to the gay community too i imagine.
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
* Williams agrees about the importance of contextual homophobia and how it 'generally' comes from a religious perspective
* Related to this, Williams feels that her central argument, which she thinks in retrospect only occurred to her while writing the article and wasn't emphasized as well as it could have been, is that any debates over homophobia are more appropriate in 'religious quarters' and that 'black culture only gets involved where it intersects with fundamentalism.'
* Ultimately, Williams feels much had to be left out because of space and agrees there was glossing over.
So there you go -- her responses raise some potential further questions (and I've passed a couple on to her), but she does not seem unaware of the complexities. I've mentioned the thread and perhaps she might yet appear here.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link