― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link
Gilmore sounds a bit like Trane on that date, as it is much more early 60s bop than Arkestra. It might be that Trane sounds a bit like Gilmore as I guess they practiced together and was an influence around that same time. They both have a big tenor tone. If you like some of Coltrane's records on Atlantic like "Coltrane's Sound", it is a similar timeperiod and sound, but "Today and Tomorrow" doesn't have a tune as good and memorable as Equinox.
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― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah he breathes cosmic fire into this hot hard-bop date. he's also great on Joe Henderson's slighty spacier Inner Urge.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link
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― pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 28 January 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link
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― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link
definitely go for extensions, expansions, whatever. CLASSIC!!!!
The sleeper in the bunch is 1978's "Together" album. Highly recommended. I have had a lot of success in telling people about this album. Always very positive reactions. Hope you like it.
― Saxby D. Elder (Saxby D. Elder), Monday, 29 January 2007 04:36 (seventeen years ago) link
Oh, fuck yes. This was the first Henderson I heard, and it kinda ruined him for me. I've enjoyed other stuff, but he rarely hits like he does on this one.As for Tyner, I've been loving Sama Layuca lately. Round, anthemic, good.
― js (honestengine), Monday, 29 January 2007 06:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 29 January 2007 10:35 (seventeen years ago) link
Lee Morgan Tom CatBobby Hutcherson Stick-Up!
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyways, Sahara was a revelation. And yeah, Extensions (with the faux-"National Geographic" cover) is a good'un too.
― M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Monday, 29 January 2007 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Finally listening to Enlightenment now and...............................................wow.
― HOOS HOOS HOOS on the autosteen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 3 November 2008 02:02 (fifteen years ago) link
just fucking DESTRUCTIVE
― HOOS HOOS HOOS on the autosteen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 3 November 2008 02:03 (fifteen years ago) link
tell me they will play this on the ship when we flee the apocalypse and go into -SPACE-
i have "inception", got a super duper clean 80s fantasy vinyl reissue...anyway it is rad as fuk
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 3 November 2008 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link
i've been looking for enlightment for years after hearing a couple cuts.
― Jordan, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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with o's instead of 0's
― HOOS HOOS HOOS on the autosteen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 3 November 2008 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link
why didn't i think of that
― Jordan, Monday, 3 November 2008 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link
oh wait, i did look for that when i found that site and it wasn't there.
― Jordan, Monday, 3 November 2008 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
apparently enlightment wasn't on impulse.
― Jordan, Monday, 3 November 2008 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link
wtf i thought that was where i found it last night
― HOOS HOOS HOOS on the autosteen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 3 November 2008 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link
will check my history when i get home and link u proper
oh here it is for all mccoy tyner stans everywhere
http://jazz20.bloringa.net/post-1088868.html
thanks bro
― Jordan, Monday, 3 November 2008 16:16 (fifteen years ago) link
i remember alphonse mouzon being sick on this
― Jordan, Monday, 3 November 2008 16:17 (fifteen years ago) link
more mainstream-y by definition, but i really like McCoy's Ellington album. Nice light touch, swinging feel. If I'm not mistaken, the album was recorded same day (or maybe week?) as Love Supreme, which is just ridiculous. Haven't heard a lot of his earlier Impulse records ... Or his 70s stuff, actually. Need to get on that!
― tylerw, Monday, 3 November 2008 17:36 (fifteen years ago) link
and of course, it has to be said that the guy's solo on "my favorite things" is like top ten best moments in music ever.
― tylerw, Monday, 3 November 2008 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
assumed this'd been revived for the new one, 'guitars', with tyner's trio and Derek Trucks, Bela Fleck, Bill Frisell, John Scofield, Marc Ribot. (Although not, sadly, all at the same time.) Trailer for it: fairly cool.
― thomp, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Would quite like to have a full CD of McCoy and Marc playing free — the two minutes of it on the site trailer are really pretty and affecting, and you have to wonder where else they could take it. The first track on the album is a minute and a half long improvisation with the two of them; then there's a full band thing with Ribot again which does fall into the presumable trap of just not sounding quite comfortable, but not uncomfortable in an interesting way ...
― thomp, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link
(Like, Marc's free playing with McCoy has e-bow and muted scrapy noises — playing in a taking-turns-playing-solos context he can't do so much of that stuff — but still plays with a rock-band sounding level of distortion etc., but less productively.
DeJohnette is drumming WAY loud.)
― thomp, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
PLEASE DON'T USE THE WAH PEDAL, MARC
― thomp, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
I can't really stomach any of those guys except Ribot
― Tyrone Quattlebaum (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I really can't supply an informed opinion on any of them, tbh
The first Fleck track (technically not involving guitar) is really great — droney banjo that sounds vaguely like something I have heard before — possibly serpent power?
Scofield on 'Mr P.C.' is fairly okay.
― thomp, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link
I also haven't liked anything new from Tyner in a long time.
― Tyrone Quattlebaum (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Erm, I mean I guess I haven't liked anything new from Tyner since I've been listening to jazz. I wasn't even born when his best records came out.
picked up 'Trident' on vinyl for cheap over the weekend, such a great record. the first track sounds like a vamp for a pop song but still totally works with their style.
still don't have a copy of 'Enlightment'. :/
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
excited because there is a cheap-ish copy of enlightenment near work (i think) and i checked this thread to see if it was worth getting and i am totally picking it up after work (if that is the album i saw in the racks) (and if it is still there)
got inner voices for £4 the other day at flashback and am really liking it, even if its an unusual record for him. reminds me a bit of alice coltrane's om supreme, with all the vocals and harmonies, which is my favourite alice track of all
― beer say hi to me (stevie), Thursday, 18 August 2016 13:02 (seven years ago) link
good late night listening is the One on One album (not the UKIP mano a mano version obv :p) with Stephane Grappelli, so elegant and beautiful.
― calzino, Monday, 24 October 2016 22:30 (seven years ago) link
I've been listening to a ton of Tyner recently. His Milestone run is exceptional, and the records are generally cheap and plentiful. Trident, Sama Luyaca, Focal Point are all still really, really good.
― Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 3 July 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
thanks for the reminder, I have Sahara and an Impulse best-of 2LP but yeah those Milestone releases are cheap and good
― sleeve, Monday, 3 July 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
Not to mention he’s usually light on the wallet
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:30 (five years ago) link
RIP to the great one. What a career, what music.
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 6 March 2020 19:07 (four years ago) link
Ugh. RIP
― Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 March 2020 19:15 (four years ago) link
oh man no. RIP
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 6 March 2020 19:27 (four years ago) link
damn
― frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 6 March 2020 19:28 (four years ago) link
Whenever I dip back into 70s prog and fusion, I hope it will sound this elegant and catchy, but it's too high a bar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZIXDTH-sLA
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Friday, 6 March 2020 19:31 (four years ago) link
man there was no one on earth like this guy
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 6 March 2020 19:35 (four years ago) link
Guy in WKCR just switched over in the middle of Elvin Live at the Lighthouse to a McCoy-led project featuring Elvin and Alice Coltrane.
― Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:10 (four years ago) link
After thirty seconds of silence of course
― Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
Just got into his catalogue not too long and now he's gone. Damn damn damn. RIP
― ascai, Friday, 6 March 2020 20:14 (four years ago) link
Stack those fourths til you get all the way up to heaven
― ascai, Friday, 6 March 2020 20:20 (four years ago) link
Extensions
― Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:24 (four years ago) link
Love this footage of Tyner with Roland Kirk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiI2ZHmxPPo
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link
Check the rollneck!
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:30 (four years ago) link
First there is his melodic inventiveness and along with that the clarity of his ideas. He also gets a very personal sound from his instrument. In addition, McCoy has an exceptionally well developed sense of form, both as a soloist and accompanist. Invariably, in our group, he will take a tune and build his own structure for it. He is always looking for the most personal way of expressing himself. And finally, McCoy has taste. He can take anything, no matter how weird, and make it sound beautiful.
Coltrane from the notes on his Inception lp.
― calzino, Friday, 6 March 2020 20:51 (four years ago) link
Inception is the only one I own, bought at random. one of those record I'm always in the mood to listen to
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:53 (four years ago) link
I have this 3CD Mosaic box from 2007 that gathers up Expansions, Extensions (the one with Alice Coltrane), Asante and Cosmos. And then I have digital copies a bunch more. I interviewed him once, in 2008 or so, when he made the album Guitars; it was a very awkward encounter, because he really didn't like talking about his work. I went out of my way to not go the "so tell me about John Coltrane!" route, but he just wasn't into it.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:56 (four years ago) link
RIP
I love the front cover of Sahara, and the track Rebirth is as fire as anything he ever recorded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDoGMQMl77A&list=PL5A83E4A2F654F95B&index=5&t=0s
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 6 March 2020 20:58 (four years ago) link
I love both his 60's and 70's period, not familiar with his 80's + beyond period, apart that rather lovely duo he did with Stephane Grappelli in '90.
― calzino, Friday, 6 March 2020 21:01 (four years ago) link
oh boy
― ymo sumac (NickB), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:02 (four years ago) link
Song of the New World as well, what an album.
― calzino, Friday, 6 March 2020 21:06 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWYWgda5f0I
seeing this performance of 'my favourite things' was such a mind-opener when i first encountered it - not just mccoy obv, but those rumbling clouds of sound were completely soul-stirring for me and the thing i think about most when i hear him play
― ymo sumac (NickB), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link
I found the story I wrote on him in 2009, based on the interview I mentioned above; here's a link for anyone interested.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:37 (four years ago) link
Damn, knew it was coming eventually. A force of nature, it's almost wild to think of him and Elvin in the same rhythm section, I wonder who pushed who further.
I went back through his records a few months ago now that they're all on Spotify (and used to be SO hard to find), so many underrated gems.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link
Legend. You listen to a bit of jazz piano and McCoy Tyner definitely had a singular sound. That Coltrane quartet had such a sympathetic nature, there are moments where John leads and there were parts when Elvin pushed but how Tyner would react to Trane in how he placed those chords sometimes in accompaniment was literally the bit that seemed to take the intensity over the top and raise the hairs on the back of the neck for listeners on those sax solos. I suppose some of it is similar to those extended intervals that Bill Evans and other would use, but Tyner would have such a unique way of rhythmically playing those chords. I'd say how how soloed with chords is a big part of that unique sound.
I've not heard but a sliver of Tyner's total recorded output, but I got to figure anything he ever played upon is worth hearing.
― earlnash, Friday, 6 March 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link
fucking Trident slays me every single timeRip
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:55 (four years ago) link
Sama Layuca was another top album as well.
― calzino, Friday, 6 March 2020 22:18 (four years ago) link
blasting Sama now!
I love his whole Milestone run, and so did Orrin Keepnews, who recorded MT more than anyone else. What a body of work.
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 6 March 2020 22:38 (four years ago) link
farewell to the master, RIP
― Brad C., Friday, 6 March 2020 23:01 (four years ago) link
the greatest — The Real McCoy is one of those front-to-back classic albums.
― tylerw, Friday, 6 March 2020 23:15 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqDhFyXAvlgRIP
― Bstep, Friday, 6 March 2020 23:27 (four years ago) link
Ah man, RIP. This version was my go-to McCoy jam when I first heard him in my twenties, kind of still is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xey_OHwO8s0
Worth noting from the comments:
Rayy‘s Musikladen5 years agoMost energetic version ever, featuring The Real McCoy with an epic piano solo and Alphonse's drum 'carpet' in best Elvin Jones tradition. What a pity that the latter switched to mediocre fusion music later on.Alphonse Mouzon4 years ago+octopus34 Thanks so much - but I wouldn't call my 2011 Top Ten all-star straight-ahead jazz CD "ANGEL FACE" mediocre fusion http://www.tenaciousrecords.comAngel_Face.html or my classic jazz-fusion album/CD "MIND TRANSPLANT".
Alphonse Mouzon4 years ago+octopus34 Thanks so much - but I wouldn't call my 2011 Top Ten all-star straight-ahead jazz CD "ANGEL FACE" mediocre fusion http://www.tenaciousrecords.comAngel_Face.html or my classic jazz-fusion album/CD "MIND TRANSPLANT".
― panic-buying the upmarket pasta (Matt #2), Friday, 6 March 2020 23:37 (four years ago) link
:(
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:28 (four years ago) link
Rest in peace. You gave us such beauty.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 8 March 2020 00:48 (four years ago) link
alphonse is right, Mind Transplant is a ripper
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:44 (four years ago) link
listening to enlightenment this morning and feeling like i'm at the center of an infinite spiral
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 March 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnQJsrUYb8Q
^This version particularly good. Nate Chinen embedded it in his obit here: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/06/812940062/mccoy-tyner-groundbreaking-pianist-of-20th-century-jazz-dies-at-81
― Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 March 2020 03:50 (four years ago) link
Such beautiful music. 'Extensions' and 'Sahara' are probably my favourites, but I'd never listened to 'Enlightenment' till this morning so what do I know.
― cooldix, Monday, 9 March 2020 08:40 (four years ago) link
Been digging into Tyner some lately and have spent some time with Atlantis — straight fire, like a damn freight train.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 28 March 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link
Was listening to Alice Coltrane's Huntington Ashram tonight, and some of the piano later on the album really reminded me of McCoy. Did they ever collaborate?
― anecdotal certainly but not nothing (stevie), Sunday, 28 March 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link
Yeah; she's on his album Extensions.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 28 March 2021 21:03 (three years ago) link
Ah! I only have mp3s of that one [and thus no sleevenotes] but it's one of my favourites of his
― anecdotal certainly but not nothing (stevie), Sunday, 28 March 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link
Love this set, for the music, but also for the audience shots of blissed out mid-70s Europeans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrZkbSeyF6M
― Citole Country (bendy), Friday, 2 April 2021 17:13 (three years ago) link
Amazing - thanks for sharing
― anecdotal certainly but not nothing (stevie), Friday, 2 April 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link
RIP Juini Booth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7mPNvwMYM
― Planck Generation (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 July 2021 18:46 (two years ago) link
RIP, but also yes, I love this particular band and it's great to see what Alphonse Mouzon is actually doing. Those 90' cymbals and perfectly flat drums!
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 12 July 2021 21:55 (two years ago) link