Scott Walker "Bish Bosch"

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ixiiivixvvi is a total hook. best track on the album (for now).
not sure if i like it as much as the drift, but... enjoying hearing it again and again, that's for sure.

mr.raffles, Sunday, 9 December 2012 03:15 (thirteen years ago)

Scott appears on this episode of J cocker's show, which expires in 2 hours:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01p3lgz

Tomb Of Spatula (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 9 December 2012 15:24 (thirteen years ago)

interview starts at about 46 minutes in.

Tomb Of Spatula (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 9 December 2012 15:38 (thirteen years ago)

this album isn't very enjoyable to listen to. i like the horns on epizootics! and other little moments like that. it's certainly no Lulu, which I liked as well.

Pat Finn, Sunday, 9 December 2012 16:28 (thirteen years ago)

I've managed three tracks so far. The opening track is pretty strong, in a bludgeony way, Corps De Blah has several beautiful 30sec chunks which don't add up to much and Phrasing has stuck in my head as the best of the three. I don't know when I'll get around to the 21min track.

I'm sure a large part of why Tilt was a big deal to me and I kind of ignored The Drift were my very different domestic circumstances, 11 years apart. At 27, I was single, living alone, no neighbours to speak of, nice stereo, lots of free time; at 38 I was married with kids, no time, long work hours. My principal memory of The Drift is being stunned by the Donald Duck Moment on the top deck of a number 3 bus in Dulwich. And then I probably didn't listen to it again for six months. I've gone back to it recently - "Jesse" still marvellous. But this issue of barely having the time and space to give these records the room they (maybe) deserve is present again with Bish Bosch.

Michael Jones, Sunday, 9 December 2012 17:49 (thirteen years ago)

the cobwebby cum spray font works

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 9 December 2012 21:55 (thirteen years ago)

i can empathise with Michael Jones. I heald off buying the Drift on vinyl because I thought, shit, am I really going to want to play this out loud, but I currently live at home and I'm loving the aura of vinyl playback lately so I'm looking forward to hearing BB on a turntable in my room.

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Monday, 10 December 2012 10:39 (thirteen years ago)

Currently collecting the more substantial interviews (Guardian, Pfork, Quietus) into a single PDF cause I'm a fuckin' dork like that...

― Tomb Of Spatula (Jon Lewis), Friday, 7 December 2012 19:17 (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd love a copy of this if you wouldn't mind?

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Monday, 10 December 2012 10:40 (thirteen years ago)

Album is straight in at number 95

Mark G, Monday, 10 December 2012 10:46 (thirteen years ago)

The Mighty Bosch

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Monday, 10 December 2012 12:23 (thirteen years ago)

"My Gran used to love him in the 60s, so she'll love getting this for Xmas"

Tom D is secretly an important person (Tom D.), Monday, 10 December 2012 12:25 (thirteen years ago)

Actually my mum used to like him but I won't be getting her this

Tom D is secretly an important person (Tom D.), Monday, 10 December 2012 12:26 (thirteen years ago)

god jesus, there are gonna be a few heart attacks over the festive season. i actually fear...

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Monday, 10 December 2012 12:31 (thirteen years ago)

Okay, so the last 2/3rds of this album is pretty engaging, but those first two tracks are the ones that really scan as Walker self-parody to me. Shave those two off and this is quite a bit better.

HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 10 December 2012 14:45 (thirteen years ago)

dog latin, i will send when i get a chance. It's not slick, I just c & p'd the text from each one.

Tomb Of Spatula (Jon Lewis), Monday, 10 December 2012 15:59 (thirteen years ago)

no that's cool - thansk man, would be nice to read em all in one place once i have the album.

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Monday, 10 December 2012 16:12 (thirteen years ago)

this album is a gas

flopson, Monday, 10 December 2012 19:24 (thirteen years ago)

i never know what to DO to scott walker albums but even if i never wanted to listen to them i "enjoyed" the sensation of totally forbidding, serious awe that tilt and the drift elicited. this one just had me pursing my lips at the fart noises. if you're gonna be unlistenable at least be completely 100% humourless ffs

#YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Monday, 10 December 2012 19:38 (thirteen years ago)

i like the humour

flopson, Monday, 10 December 2012 19:51 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah. For some reason I've been reaching for this a lot more than I did when I first got The Drift.

Gukbe, Monday, 10 December 2012 19:55 (thirteen years ago)

loved this at first listen, don't really want to listen to anything else. good accompaniment for all holiday activities.

CGI fridays (Edward III), Monday, 10 December 2012 20:12 (thirteen years ago)

streaming on spotify btw

CGI fridays (Edward III), Monday, 10 December 2012 20:13 (thirteen years ago)

i haven't fallen this hard for one of his albums since i first heard Scott 2

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 00:27 (thirteen years ago)

Finding it impossible to listen to this when the sun is out.

kwhitehead, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 15:02 (thirteen years ago)

album of the year

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 December 2012 00:50 (thirteen years ago)

this one has the upper hand on The Drift for its earthy humour and bigger dynamic and rhythmic shifts. Tilt remains my favourite masterpiece because it has enough of the orchestral, balladeering, crooning Scott - it's a mixture of the two approches, really. The Drift pretty much dispensed with that trait of his, which returns in select points on the latest.

album of the year for me, too.

Max Florian, Friday, 14 December 2012 01:29 (thirteen years ago)

I haven't listened to this yet! This is the first SW album where I can afford to promptly go out and buy vinyl and debut it thataway so I'm holding off until the right listening opportunity presents itself

men, ugh (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 14 December 2012 05:39 (thirteen years ago)

Annnnnnd...my interview is live:

http://www.spin.com/articles/scott-walker-bish-bosch-interview-MP3s

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2012 15:26 (thirteen years ago)

Way to go, the Nedster. He's plugging the arse of this album, old Scott.

Tom D is secretly an important person (Tom D.), Friday, 14 December 2012 15:37 (thirteen years ago)

nice one, yeah i'm surprised at how much press he's doing

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Friday, 14 December 2012 15:37 (thirteen years ago)

Oooh yay gonna read it right now!

the clown's reflection is incorrect (Jon Lewis), Friday, 14 December 2012 15:40 (thirteen years ago)

Looking forward to that appearance on the One Show (xp)

Tom D is secretly an important person (Tom D.), Friday, 14 December 2012 15:41 (thirteen years ago)

hah, i'd actually LOVE to see that. The interview in this video (skip past the shoddy music video recording) is pure buttclench LOLs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=3e8vpoj0lDs

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Friday, 14 December 2012 15:47 (thirteen years ago)

great interview ned. if i could ask him one question, i'd wonder what's with all the greek references. el greco, drachmas, athens, bears/romans, etc

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 December 2012 15:49 (thirteen years ago)

You must always, if possible, allow enough stand-back room so that you remember the initial pleasures you had when it was all coming to you in its embryonic stages. If you're not careful, the many things that are happening around you in the studio can kill those gifts.

This is so true and so difficult IME.

the clown's reflection is incorrect (Jon Lewis), Friday, 14 December 2012 15:58 (thirteen years ago)

(about many kinds of creation)

the clown's reflection is incorrect (Jon Lewis), Friday, 14 December 2012 15:58 (thirteen years ago)

one of the best interviews with him I've read anywhere. bravo Ned. much better than the Toop one! your questions are especially incredibly interesting, no wonder he comes across as very much interested in answering them.

on an unrelated note, uncanny how much young Walker resembles young Julian Cope (his ardent fan and proselytizer at that time). it's something that recurs on and on in pop genealogy when you think about it, making somewhat of a point of "becoming what you eat" or something.

in '80s Yugoslavia, where I grew up, there was this hugely popular Croatian cover of 'The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore' (you'll spot 'Ashes to Ashes' Bowie all over it):

http://youtu.be/-OkmaK7uJDw

Max Florian, Saturday, 15 December 2012 00:32 (thirteen years ago)

Wonderful interview, Ned. Love this:

I'm always surprised when people make comments like, "What happened to melody in your work?" I hear an abundance of melody in it, and even better melody than I wrote before.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 15 December 2012 00:36 (thirteen years ago)

I always find that, if you swapped Walker for latter-day Sylvian and put him into his chair, the interviews would work pretty much the same as they are.
I wonder what the two of them think about each other's work right now. I expected Toop (a known Sylvian fan) to raise the name with Scott at any moment, but he never did.

Max Florian, Saturday, 15 December 2012 00:45 (thirteen years ago)

sylvian's nine horses album a couple years back sounded especially like a scott album

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:01 (thirteen years ago)

Scott did sort of compare and contrast himself with Sylvian a little in the 1995 Wire interview.

the clown's reflection is incorrect (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:08 (thirteen years ago)

xpost - really? I find it nothing like, I was thinking (maybe more obviously) about the latest, Manafon.
thanks about the Wire interview info, Jon.

Max Florian, Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:13 (thirteen years ago)

the lyrics and crooning delivery are very engel, "the banality of evil" particularly ~ "king of the castle, room at the top, off with their heads, chop 'em off. hey, hello neighbor, right you are" ~

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:22 (thirteen years ago)

right, I can see it in the lyrics - thanks! maybe one day I'll be able to hear it in Sylvian's voice, too. for now, jaded cantankerous Sylvian fan here, who thinks everything he sang on Nine Horses and the last one is identical in tone and identically dull in delivery (I wish I could hear Scott, or anything else there, really).

Max Florian, Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:32 (thirteen years ago)

and, to link this observation with the melody critique to Scott, it is somewhat true his melodies are frequently much the same, both on The Drift and Bish Bosch. this is why I tend to drift (pardon the pun) on the second half of BB.

but then, Bjork's melodies are often much the same, too.

Max Florian, Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:37 (thirteen years ago)

dave's vibrato on the nine horses album has a little bit of bryan ferry in it but sounds an awful lot like scott's

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 15 December 2012 07:13 (thirteen years ago)

I've managed three tracks so far. The opening track is pretty strong, in a bludgeony way, Corps De Blah has several beautiful 30sec chunks which don't add up to much and Phrasing has stuck in my head as the best of the three. I don't know when I'll get around to the 21min track.

You can position it in a different way - I would think you put more of yourself to when you get to play the record.

With Walker's later records its not so much about how many times you get to play them but the gap of time between each play.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 15 December 2012 11:10 (thirteen years ago)

I understand the 21-min track can sound overwhelming as a prospect, but really it is so diverse than it's also the most entertaining.

with this record I like how, on first spins, you don't know exactly which is the beginning and which the ending of the various tracks.

Max Florian, Saturday, 15 December 2012 11:49 (thirteen years ago)

it is somewhat true his melodies are frequently much the same, both on The Drift and Bish Bosch

"Tilt" is esp. guilty of recycling melodies from "Climate of Hunter" imo, not so much recycling them as he can't seem to work out what melodies will fit the music. Have I told you all I don't like "Tilt" all that much, or as much as I once did?

Tom D is secretly an important person (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 December 2012 11:52 (thirteen years ago)

I haven't listened to it for some time now, but I still think it remains my favourite. I'm a sucker for classic arrangements, I find they haven't quite exhausted their emotional punch. it's always a breath of fresh vista I get when that know Walkerish string cloud comes to hover under his voice (or is his voice hovering over that harmonic cloud). The Drift was too sameish for me, especially for a long album. I like variety, that's why I like Bish Bosch better. but yes, I guess Tilt remains the best of both worlds for me.

you're quite right about the same melodies employed on Tilt and, say, 'Sleepwalker's Woman'. but I almost don't notice that because I so like that harmonic context and his change of tone when singing over it. when the same trick unexpectedly comes up for a brief while in one of the 'cosmic void' sections of 'Zercon', I'm a happy boy.

Max Florian, Saturday, 15 December 2012 12:38 (thirteen years ago)


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