"Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" by the Smashing Pumpkins

interviewer also sounds a bit dickish - "nice skirt" is not a very warm introduction

interviewer just asked a bunch of celebrity culture bullshit, when clearly Billy wanted to talk about the music. Interviewer didn't get the hint.

agreed. you gotta talk some astrology with billy before you sprinkle in the celebrity stuff.

My MCIS box showed up in today's mail, this thing is gorgeous.

apparently the mastering job on the vinyl reissue is shoddy, particularly on 'zero.' I do not know this from my own experience, however.

i have it, zero is a tad overcooked but otherwise the set sounds phenomenal

Brutal experience that really tainted my opinion on the band. The gig itself is the stuff of legend on account of how bad it was. Throughout the years I’ve met several others who were there that night and they’ve all felt the same.

Had forgotten the awfulness of this gig. The encore was a a noise-fest painful in its total shiteness.

this is where someone says we're now as far from "1979" as "1979" was from 1979.

Who is the “BT” credited on a few of the outtakes and rarities, e.g. Cherry (BT 2012 mix)? Google hasn’t been helpful.

Billy Torgan. No, it's Bjorn Thorsrud, who was an engineer they worked with a bunch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjorn_Thorsrud

I wish I could afford this reissue.

Bjorn Thorsgud?

despite all my rage i am still just a rat in a
CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

fuiud

question: is this album Billy C's interpretation of the "the heart music, Echo and the Bunnymen," or is it a two-disc concept album composed in furious response to Kim Thayil? Or should we assume the latter is the "Iscariot" in Pisces Iscariot?

Adore is the Echo & the Bunnymen album obv.

Yeah, that's what's funny - that so clearly lives up to that mission, but it's delayed by one album, as if Billy suddenly had 40+ tracks of non-heart-music that he had to get off his chest.

Mellon Collie is a good album and some of the band's finest moments are on there, but like with every long album there can be some filler in places.

I much prefer Siamese Dream, which is one of my favourite albums of all time. Hell, I think I prefer Gish to Mellon Collie.

Still, Bullet With Butterfly Wings, Tonight Tonight, 1979, Jellybelly, Zero, XYU, Here Is No Why, Thru The Eyes Of Ruby, Where Boys Fear To Tread, Cupid De Locke and Love are wonderful.

Oh, and We Only Come Out At Night.

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1185689_10151895694472328_1380969732_n.jpg

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“You are trying to use your intuition to guide you through this interview but, if I may say, it’s not guiding you very well. You’re not listening to what I’m saying. You are trying to look into my eyes to see my soul.” He sighs. “Well let me tell you, you won’t find it.”

http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=6225

Yeah this interview is hilarious.

“Go ahead and ask me any thing you want,” he says, “but you won’t get it. I know what you’re after: the story behind the story. Which is a shame. Everyone has lost sight of the real story, which is the music itself. It’s like a train - music is the engine, but other people appear more interested in the other carriages.”

LOL

NEW MELLON COLLIE C-SIDE!! WOW!!! FUCK. full length "In the Arms of Sheep," featured for like 3 seconds in the pastichio medley
could there be more leaks???????sooon??????

https://vimeo.com/98218010

good song, has melody that ended up in "The Last Song."

Can't believe nearly eight years have gone by since I started this thread. Presumably the influence on the young bands of today has to be happening by now, right? Right?

i don't know about artists, but this album has influenced me to not listen to people who say that the smashing pumpkins aren't a good band. a narrow influence, to be sure, but still.

absolutely. mcis never gets old, and it's easily the best and most accomplished thing they did. the white album of the 90s

I for one love this album... as said upthread many years ago, one of the few double albums to justify its length. There's only like 2 or 3 clunkers on each disc; still a solid 20 or so songs.

I especially love the lullaby-esque denouement of the final side... We Only Come Out at Night, Beautiful, Lily, By Starlight, Farewell & Goodnight (intentionally or not, always reminds me of "Good Night" on the White Album).

always happy to be reminded that i will likely never hear this band again if i make wise choices. it's similar to remembering that i have some control over the events that might lead to me wanting or needing to induce vomiting.

btw they will pretty obviously become the Kansas or Styx of future Classic Rock, which is probably exactly what Billy Corgan always wanted.

did they ever cover "Take It On The Run" live?

btw they will pretty obviously become the Kansas or Styx of future Classic Rock, which is probably exactly what Billy Corgan always wanted.

more like Boston or Queen imo. Kansas and Styx is like....silverchair or something

RHCP is Queen, Lemonheads are Boston

I almost threw Boston in there. I feel like the Pumpkins' proggy "art" aspirations take them a little bit towards Styx territory, but clearly Billy had truck with Scholz's guitar landscapes and Delp's yearning dreaminess.

RHCP is Lynyrd Skynyrd but only because I really hesitate to make them the Eagles. Reliable good times, delivered on the road as needed - but not to the exclusion of heartfelt sensitive ballads.

really though i'm pretty sure billy was big fans of boston queen kansas AND styx!

which one the pumpkins best correlate with 90s wise hmmmmm idk

which one the pumpkins best correlate with 90s wise hmmmmm idk

ELO

Led Zep = Pearl Jam
Stones = RHCP
Beatles = Nirvana
Springsteen = Green Day
Pumpkins = Eagles

in terms of size/number of hits, not drawing any deep parallels or anything

the smashing pumpkins are not the eagles. fleetwood mac

i think SP is more like Led Zeppelin in terms of deep parallels.

yes

Cant hack Corgan but one of my favorite things about this band is the guitar tones....in terms of influence that has to be a 'thing'

Still a fantastic (and in light of their earlier catalogue) underrated album. Almost certainly my favourite - just the right balance of pomp and rawk. OK Computer two years before the fact and twice as long.

I especially love the lullaby-esque denouement of the final side... We Only Come Out at Night, Beautiful, Lily, By Starlight, Farewell & Goodnight (intentionally or not, always reminds me of "Good Night" on the White Album).

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Yeah this is one of my favourite stretches of the record.

20 years ago today: the first MCIS pajama show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nccgtJ8DaY

Tonight, Tonight
In the Arms of Sleep*
Cupid de Locke
Thirty-three
Today
Lily (My One and Only)
Take Me Down
Beautiful
Rocket
Galapagos
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Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (over PA)
Where Boys Fear to Tread
Zero
Fuck You
To Forgive
Bullet with Butterfly Wings
Thru the Eyes of Ruby
Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
Jellybelly
1979*
Disarm
X.Y.U. (Intro cut on master)
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We Only Come Out at Night*
Muzzle
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Geek U.S.A.
Cherub Rock

* - First Time Played

http://s3.amazonaws.com/production.mediajoint.prx.org/public/piece_images/421900/mcis3.jpg

Listening to this back to back for the first time in eternity tonight. And it still holds up, even after twenty years, which is baffling in itself. This album was p much the bane of my existence when I was 16/17 years old. Very formative.

Never mind Corgan having gone completely bonkers and insane after Adore, this is still the shit. Wondering if it has the status today that it really should have. Or did this sublime album kill the double concept rock album for good? No idea, but if this was the last, it was a helluva last pompous double rock album. Unique.

has the best flow of any double i've ever heard. 2 hours go by quick. i've burnt this album out so hard, these days i'll play XYU or Fuck You over anything else.

yeah we know, billy

Hard to wrap my head around this thread being as distant from the present as it was from me getting the album for Christmas. Aside from your basic "where did the time go?" feelings, it also seems like nothing whatsoever has changed in terms of the reputations of either the band, the album, or Billy Pumpkin himself. I should give it one of my infrequent full listens and see if it sounds any different to me.

As I recall, my mom bought this for me to cheer me up after my first orthodontic appointment. So yeah, it's very much connected with teenage misery for me.

Nice gift! That guitar solo on Zero reminds me of a dentist drill

"... but remember what I said about flossing, and no more chewing those charcoal teeth!"