CHRIS BROWN

I'm sure chris brown was the victim in that exchange

hmm, good point, dayo. i'll have to consider that.

i just wonder if goading chris brown into a fight on twitter is the best way at keeping the larger narrative (not simply that chris brown is a legendary douche) alive.

well no it's not, but if your response to it is to snark about how ineffective it is, that's not exactly keeping the larger narrative alive, and it often comes across - not nec you here - as effectively saying "it's pointless doing/saying anything about this situation because it won't stop her going back to him"

there is nothing about the chris brown story that doesn't depress me

appreciate the word J0rdan I get emotional about this subject, thanks for hearing me.

I leave Chris Brown the hell alone on Twitter, nothing to be gained/improved by taking shots, but I think comedians - and plenty of other people with fewer followers whose attacks on him don't raise an eyebrow - are partly launching shots because it feels good to say to a person who'd beat a woman YOU ARE A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT NO MATTER HOW FAMOUS YOU ARE while being far enough away from him to not get hit. Watching him melt down and quit Twitter? Knowing somebody made this dick feel bad enough to tantrum off, and that he couldn't lay hands on anybody about it? I'm for that; I get some vicarious relief to think a guy who beat up his girlfriend is stewing in his own anger. Some of my political follows cite white people who they think got a pass for spousal abuse (Charlie Sheen, Bill Murray, John Lennon), and there's for sure something to that, but I think you'd need internet-age analogies for that to hold, and iirc when Oksana went in on Mel that drama was aired out loud on all the gossip sites. (Not enough for my tastes though, fuck Mel Gibson.) I don't doubt that racists are delighted to have another excuse to hate on a black entertainer but I think the single biggest motivating factor in people hating on Chris Brown is 1) he is a worthless asshole and 2) it feels good, really good, to be able to "yell" at a person like that where they can't hit you, even if you don't know them personally. It feels good collectively to be able to do that in a safe environment, where you can be heard without having to bear consequences other than more people "yelling" back at you.

B-b-b-bill Murray?

wait, Bill Murray?

huh, I didn't even know he was divorced, let alone that there were allegations of domestic violence

i'm sure it's temporary

― J0rdan S., Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

like a bruise amirite

― balls, Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

lol

I'm still getting used to the idea that thanks to social media the public can take for granted its engagement/interest in a star's life – hell, following a star's Twitter account is beyond my comprehension (lol I'm old). Where ten years ago the psychodrama of Chris Brown-Rihanna would have unfolded in supermarket glossies, now we get to respond directly. Either way, it's making it even more difficult to criticize their work without condemning their lives.

I know the idea of Being A Star, even if you were Clara Bow or whoever, is not having a private life at all but still

lol when Mel went in on Oksana, that should say above

yeah Bill Murray. Which as it turns out is internet-era stuff that did not get a whole lotta play media-wise, and that's pretty ill. Chris Brown was arrested, which makes a good deal of difference I think, but it is kinda icky that a star as big as Bill Murray can be accused of threatening to kill his wife and nobody really hears about it.

(Alfred, Madonna changed stardom. Stardom is now explicitly about choosing to not have a private life.)

Liz Taylor.

I have no sympathy for any famous person taking shit on Twitter for being horrible because there is absolutely nothing that says they have to be on Twitter or that they need to use it to air their personal lives.

i don't really think anyone "forced" chris brown off the internet; i think his team pulled him off because he was publicly making an ass of himself repeatedly and it was counterproductive to him making everyone money which IMO is the only reason this guy still exists as a public figure.

Also how odd that all the names in aero's example are white and chris brown is a young black male HOW STRANGE HOW OBVIOUSLY RACIST as the argument goes and while that's still true and valid I can't help but feel that CB's continued blatant assholery has something to do with him falling in a sliver of time when he and his supporters can point to that fact as "proof" that he's being inordinately prosecuted rather than just acknowledging dude is a fool

yes, how odd that aero, when making the point that people often argue that white people get a pass on this type of shit, would list a bunch of white guys

Liz Taylor.

<3

that was all in heavy quotation marks of concern dan, just don't know the emoticon for that
i suppose i do know the punctuation
but i just woke up so

He was posting Sunday late afternoon here, which means late night in Germany, where he was. I like to picture a 300-pound bodyguard stepping on CB's iPhone on Rob Light's orders.

This whole story is just so played-out/tiresome/frustratingly unchangeable... I feel the same scorn for chris brown & sadness/compassion for rihanna that any sane person does, but nothing provokes my ire like hearing one of his songs on the radio, or learning that an artist I like (lookin at you, Busta Rhymes) has agreed to collaborate with the scumbag. I get that there are market forces at work here, and all that breezy money is hard to pass up 'in this economy', but I still wish more people within the industry (note to twitter comedians: THIS DOESN'T MEAN YOU) were willing to take a principled stand. In the meantime, I will continue to imagine that chris brown is rotting in prison somewhere, and to try to put as much distance as possible between his music and my ears.

it's totally true and awful that plenty of respected famous white men have had the kind of free pass for domestic violence that chris brown hasn't had, and whether that's due to their era or their race or both, it's a reason to call them out louder and harder as well, not to go easy on CB

yeah Bill Murray. Which as it turns out is internet-era stuff that did not get a whole lotta play media-wise, and that's pretty ill. Chris Brown was arrested, which makes a good deal of difference I think, but it is kinda icky that a star as big as Bill Murray can be accused of threatening to kill his wife and nobody really hears about it.

― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, November 26, 2012 9:45 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think that for most ppl 'accused' is different than 'obviously did it with photographic evidence'

not that im inclined to disbelieve or anything, but the pictures make the rihanna situation that much more visceral

In June 1987, Madonna went to the Cedars Sinai hospital for an X-ray after Penn apparently hit her across the head with a baseball bat. At the time, they had been having a heart-to-heart talk about reconciling.
Madonna did not make an official complaint because Penn was about to serve a short jail term for attacking a film extra. He served 33 days of a 60-day sentence in the Los Angeles County jail (23 hours a day in solitary) for violating the probation he'd been given for punching a fan.
He was released into his wife's arms, only for her to throw him out of a taxi a few hours later after yet another set-to.
Their violent arguments were exhausting for everyone, but Madonna hesitated to admit that the marriage had failed. Though she saw lawyers about getting a divorce, she hung on for a full year to see if it could be saved.
It was a decision she would come to regret. In the late afternoon of December 28, 1989, Penn scaled the wall surrounding the Malibu house and found Madonna alone in the master bedroom.
According to a report filed by Madonna with the Malibu sheriff's office, the two began to quarrel. Penn told her he owned her 'lock, stock and barrel'.
When she told him she was leaving the house, he tried to bind her hands with an electric lamp and cord. Screaming and afraid, Madonna fled from the bedroom. What followed was a nine-hour ordeal which left her deeply shaken.
Penn chased her into the living room, caught her and bound her to a chair with heavy twine. Then he threatened to cut off her hair.
According to the police report, Penn was 'drinking liquor straight from the bottle' and the abuse went on for several hours, during which time he smacked and roughed up his victim.
He went out to buy more alcohol, leaving Madonna bound and gagged. Some hours later, he returned and continued his attacks.
Madonna said that he untied her after she agreed to perform a degrading sex act on him. She then fled the house and ran to her car.
Penn ran after her and was banging on the windows of her Thunderbird while she spoke to police on her mobile phone. Fifteen minutes later, she staggered into the sheriff's office.
Lieut Bill McSweeny said: 'I hardly recognised her as Madonna. She was weeping, her lip was bleeding and she had obviously been struck.'
Penn was taken away in handcuffs and charged with inflicting 'corporal injury and traumatic conditions' on her, as well as committing 'battery'.
A week later, Madonna called her lawyers and told them to file divorce papers. Yet she also told Deputy District Attorney Lauren Weiss she wished to withdraw the assault charges against her husband.
The problem was not the publicity - the scandal was in all the papers. It seems she just couldn't bear to see Penn thrown into jail. She still believed that he was the love of her life, and she tortured herself wondering to what extent she was to blame for the abuse.

xxp lex otm

Saying "chris brown would've gotten away with it if he were white!" is stupid, the whole point is that HE DID GET AWAY WITH IT. smh

i think there's truth to the demonization of chris brown because of his race, but there are def other factors (photos, social media etc) that have played into it

wtf @ that sean penn thing tho that's fucking insane

back to what aero said, i totally feel that. i guess i'm mostly just frustrated personally by the whole thing because i do think it's healthy for people to express their anger at chris brown directly and like you said in a safe environment but i still can't shake the increasing toxicity of the situation and whatever the public's continued role in it is

I know Madonna was beaten (c/o "Til Death Do Us Part") but wau @ those details

uhhh what, the details of that Sean Penn story are all news to me. Fuck all this

ditto and ditto

Jesus fucking Christ Sean Penn forcing Madonna to blow him before he'll let her leave the house. Kill yourself Sean Penn

XPpost: ' i have suspicions that for some people it's pretty self-serving (favstar bot congratulates you on your 250 star tweet etc)'

To me, that sounds like absolute craziness...though I did have a splitsecond plan to start an account that somehow niggled CB to the point that he threatened to kill me over Twitter and got arrested or something. Alas my chance has gone.

I was reading a little about the shit phil spector did to ronnie over the weekend, pretty fucking evil man

can we take a moment to bask in the unintentional comedy inherent in niggling Chris Brown

To me, that sounds like absolute craziness

obv i don't know of anyone's direct intentions so maybe it's specious on my part but at the very least there are comedians for whom zinging celebrities on twitter is one of the main ways of boosting their personal brand. one major example of this is rob delaney and another just so happens to be jenny johnson, who links to her own favstar account in her twitter profile which shows a number of tweets directed at kim kardashian (and chris brown!) that all have multiple thousands of retweets and favorites. now, i'm sure jenny johnson's anger towards chris brown is very real but it no doubt helps her career for her to play this role. (for instance, she can pitch articles to grantland http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/39222/an-open-letter-to-kim-kardashian-and-chris-brown)

sidebar but jenny johnson's hounding of kim kardashian based solely because she had the gall to make a sex tape is pretty gross!

while im not really on board w/ j0's overall argument here i think he does raise an interesting point re: the self-serving righteousness industry that is brought up in an interesting way here (nb i haven't thought through my own feelings on it yet but it was interesting reading)

http://willystaley.tumblr.com/post/36574794140/only-the-internet-could-compel-me-to-feel-sorta-bad-for

Cheers for the link Jordan, realized I was being a bit flippant there.

'self-serving righteousness industry' is kind of a good descriptor of ilx tbrr

you take that back, my righteousness serves everybody

the soothing balm it provides me is an unintended side-effect

'self-serving righteousness industry' is kind of a good descriptor of ilx tbrr

― 乒乓, Monday, November 26, 2012 12:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wait im supposed to be paid for this??

sidebar but jenny johnson's hounding of kim kardashian based solely because she had the gall to make a sex tape is pretty gross!

― J0rdan S., Monday, November 26, 2012 1:55 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no she is completely above reproach because chris brown

https://twitter.com/JennyJohnsonHi5/status/272150337773793281

another "what in the FUCK at that Madonna / Penn story" over here

everyone in the world is an asshole, let's move on

goon squad going full tucker carlson on jenny johnson - you'll find something guys! show her who's boss!

come on now

forks gets it