trap music biting the southern rap scene is a common misconception, all the producers are actually irish football ultras
― r|t|c, Friday, 23 November 2012 12:59 (eleven years ago) link
The one you've all been waiting for:
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/top-albums-of-2012-so-far/
1. Van Halen - A Different Kind of Truth2. Rush - Clockwork Angels3. ZZ Top - La Futura4. Bruce Springsteen - Wrecking Ball5. Neil Young - Psychedelic Pill6. Aerosmith - Music From Another Dimension7. Heart - Fanatic8. Bob Dylan - Tempest9. Kiss - Monster10. Joe Walsh - Analog Man
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 23 November 2012 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
I think the difference between now and 2008 or whatever, lex, is that it's now congealed into a genre with its own set of rules rather than just a few people shooting off in the dark. It reached its "wot do you call it?" moment (and has suffered greatly for it). Obviously, one side affect of this is that it allows for the laziness I mentioned earlier.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Friday, 23 November 2012 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
side effect, even
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Friday, 23 November 2012 13:02 (eleven years ago) link
lol i have listened to 50% of the Ultimate Classic Rock list -- ZZ Top the only one that'll be in my year end list
― some dude, Friday, 23 November 2012 13:06 (eleven years ago) link
Combined age of that top ten is like 5,000 or something. It's a fine tribute to medical science as much as anything else.
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 23 November 2012 13:09 (eleven years ago) link
There's something perennially beautiful about the Classic Rock list's refusal to both to yield to fashion and to chase a kind of old-timer credibility and plump for Dylan or someone.
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 November 2012 13:09 (eleven years ago) link
well, there are no new "classic rock" bands, and if there were they'd be even worse than the new records those ancients are still making
― some dude, Friday, 23 November 2012 13:11 (eleven years ago) link
I've heard 6 off that Classic Rock list. Would rank what I've heard ZZ Top > Rush > Heart > Bob Dylan > Van Halen >>>>>>> Neil Young
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 23 November 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link
it's Classic Rock magazine, the whole point is that it doesn't yield to fashion.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 23 November 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link
"making a halfway listenable album past the age of 55" is a genuine noteworthy accomplishment imo
― some dude, Friday, 23 November 2012 13:15 (eleven years ago) link
Oh of course, but even so their resolve not to sneak in a Jack White or Alamaba Shakes or whoever is admirable.
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 November 2012 13:19 (eleven years ago) link
My admiration has abated somewhat upon reading the gallery sidebar 'HOT ROCK DAUGHTERS - the baby girls of your rock gods are no longer children'.
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 November 2012 13:26 (eleven years ago) link
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/top-10-leg-songs/
― r|t|c, Friday, 23 November 2012 13:28 (eleven years ago) link
Lex's favourite, Uncut.
Oh fuck, it's 75. I'm not typing all that out. Dylan controversially beaten to top spot by Cohen.
Token modern hip-hop R&B: Frank Ocean, 5Happily welcomed returning prodigal son: Bill Fay, 6Obligatory acknowledgement of Lawrence: Go-Kate Mozart, 12
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Friday, 23 November 2012 13:31 (eleven years ago) link
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this might be for another thread, but why is this so often the case? I'm loving that in recent years, albums by (I'm gonna say their names again, sorry) Swans, Scott Walker, Tom Waits and a few others have proven to be exceptions to the rule, but for every one of these there are at least three hoary old rockers or idea-starved popstars churning out uninspiring bilge every year.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 23 November 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link
Uncut top ten:
1. Leonard Cohen - Old Ideas 2. Bob Dylan - Tempest 3. Jack White - Blunderbuss 4. Dr John - Locked Down 5. Frank Ocean - Channel Orange 6. Bill Fay - Life Is People 7. Ty Segall & White Fence - Hair 8. Bear Shields - Grizzly 9. Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Psychedelic Pill 10. Bruce Springsteen - Wrecking Ball
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 23 November 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link
With this lascivious little classic off just their second album, 1974’s ‘Get Your Wings,’ Aerosmith figuratively earned their ‘ready for prime time’ diplomas, graduating from semi-glam boys (and New York Dolls doppelgangers) to seasoned hard rock men about town. ‘Lord of the Thighs’ comes swaggering into view on Joey Kramer’s iconic drum beat before Steven Tyler starts slobbering his come-hither lyrics all over the object of his affection; aided and abetted all the way by Joe Perry and Brad Whitford’s slippery guitar licks and solos, which clearly can’t keep their hands to themselves.
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 November 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link
this might be for another thread, but why is this so often the case
Inspiration and strong work ethics collide if you're a rock and roller over 50.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 November 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link
you can hear the trouser rubbing from here.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 23 November 2012 13:41 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah that ZZ Top is kind of great. I was kind of excited about the Van Halen at the time but have no desire to listen to it anymore. I'm a Rush but it leaves me cold just like everything they've done since 1985. Have not been motivated to hear Young, Aerosmith, Heart, Dylan, Kiss.
Another heavy rock album along the lines of the 'Swedish stuff' is Golden Void. Earthless’ Isaiah Mitchell moves to SF, gets married and writes some REALLY great songs.
xp Some of the malaise I'm sensing seems to be along the lines of what Simon Reynolds wrote about in last year's book Retromania in which he essentially bemoans the end of 'hot new genres.' I hope some might consider my response (here) and give themselves permission to just enjoy what they enjoy without worrying about how 'important' or groundbreaking its supposed to be.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 23 November 2012 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
8. Bear Shields - Grizzly
lol
― some dude, Friday, 23 November 2012 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
haha
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 23 November 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
aw man, i really want to hear a south london grime artist called Bear Shields now
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 23 November 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
Bear Grills
― Neil S, Friday, 23 November 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
Mojo
1 Jack White2 Frank Ocean3 Bill Fay4 Leonard Cohen5 Dexys6 Black Keys7 Django Djangp8 Dr John9 Julia Holter10 Dyland11 Scott Walker12 Tame Impala13 XX14 Hot Chip15 Cat Power16 Bobby Womack17 Mark Lanegan Band18 Orbital19 Advance Base20 Lee Fields & The Expressions
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Friday, 23 November 2012 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
man, that frank ocean really is gonna walk it isn't it? i've had it on my iphone for months now and haven't got round to hearing a single thing off it yet.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 23 November 2012 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
So glad to see Bill Fay doing so well in a few of these lists. Not just cos it's a good album but I mean really glad for Bill, the person.
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 23 November 2012 14:28 (eleven years ago) link
Other Mojo polls
Urban
1 Spoek Mathambo2 Main Attraktionz3 Frank Ocean4 Homeboy Sandman5 JJ DOOM
Electronica
1 Actress2 Christian Loffler3 Laurel Halo4 Jon Talabot5 Dean Black & Inga Copeland
Jazz1 Gareth Lockrane's Grooveyard2 Tomasso Starace3 John Turville Trio4 Phronesis5 Simcock Garland
Undeground1 Julia Holter2 Mount Eerie3 Shackleton4 Oren Ambarchi5 Morten Feldman
Reissues1 Can2 the Beat3 The Vlvet Underground & Nico4 Sex Pistols5 Darondo
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Friday, 23 November 2012 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
Spoek Mathambo eh? nice one.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 23 November 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
Was just going to say; that album was nowhere as good as everyone wanted it to be.
― ILM Communication (seandalai), Friday, 23 November 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
fastnbulb: The exciting thing about "hot new genres" is that they don't sound like music you've heard before! I mean I hate to get all EPCOT WORLD OF THE FUTURE abt it, but yeah those Witchcraft and Grand Magus albums are great, but that Goat album is like beamed from an alternate reality
― tome crues (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 23 November 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
Have heard exactly zero of these (my #1 jazz album is the Vijay Iyer one, #2 probably the Endresen/Westerhaus); anything worth checking out?
― ILM Communication (seandalai), Friday, 23 November 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
Also I think that Van Halen album is prolly the classic rock album of the year (but I didnt hear ZZ yet)
― tome crues (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 23 November 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
did actual jazz heads rate the neneh cherry & the thing album?
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Friday, 23 November 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
I think I've actually heard one of the songs off that Goat album (it was called Goatman I think) and yeah it was terrific.
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 November 2012 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
Goatman, and yeah that track is great.
― pandemic, Friday, 23 November 2012 15:16 (eleven years ago) link
Unless it was Goathead which is also great ;)
― pandemic, Friday, 23 November 2012 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
this one did - free jazz and vocals is a p difficult thing to pull off, but it works so well here. great alb.
also, aside from one or two dodgy production choices and a certain lyrical... openness... that you just have to accept, the Bill Fay album IS as good as people say/were hoping. Parts of it are very beautiful, imho.
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 23 November 2012 15:18 (eleven years ago) link
No sign in the old-man lists of my favourite old-man album this year, then: Loudon Wainwright III - Older Than My Old Man Now.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 November 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
ha i just mentioned that in this thread: POX new albums from the 21st century by old fossils
― some dude, Friday, 23 November 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
Neneh Cherry + Thing is obv great; in my head I wasn't counting it as a jazz album but there's no real reason not to.
― ILM Communication (seandalai), Friday, 23 November 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
Unsurprisingly there's no mention of it in the Jazzwise magazine list:
http://www.jazzwisemagazine.com/news-mainmenu-139/69-2012/12580-jazz-breaking-news-courtney-pine-wins-jazzwise-album-of-the-year
TOP 20 NEW RELEASES 20121 Courtney PIne House Of Legends Destin-E2 EST 301 ACT3 John Surman Saltash Bells ECM4 Christine Tobin Sailing To Byzantium Trail Belle Records5 = John McLaughlin and 4th Dimension Now Here This Abstract Logix5 = Gregory Porter Be Good Motéma7 = Jeremy Pelt Soul Highnote7 = Robert Glasper Black Radio Blue Note9 = Branford Marsalis Four MFs Playin’ Tunes Marsalis Music9 = Django Bates Belovèd Confirmation Lost Marble11 Béla Fleck/Marcus Roberts Trio Across The Imaginary Divide Rounder12 Christian Scott Christian aTunde Adjuah Concord13 Esperanza Spalding Radio Music Society Decca14 Phronesis Walking Dark Edition15 Kurt Elling 1619 Broadway: The Brill Building Project Decca16 = Ahmad Jamal Blue Moon Jazz Village16 = Roller Trio Roller Trio F-ire18 = Simcock/Garland/Sirkis Lighthouse ACT18 = Colin Towns’ Blue Touch Paper Stand Well Back Provocateur18 = Billy Hart All Of Our Reasons ECM
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 23 November 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
7 = Robert Glasper Black Radio Blue Note
this is good though! i'd forgotten about it, gonna revisit
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Friday, 23 November 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
9 = Branford Marsalis Four MFs Playin’ Tunes Marsalis Music
awesome title
― some dude, Friday, 23 November 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it's really good jazz/noise/soul all at once. and fits in with this recent trend of avant/leftfield pop/rock albums that make good use of brass - Love This Giant, Black Vomit, New History Warfare, Alice by Sunn O))) etc...
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 23 November 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
that was about Neneh Cherry btw
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 23 November 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
Jazz-wise, I agree with Glasper, Spalding and Roller Trio (and Neneh Cherry). Would also add:Troyka - MoxxyGet The Blessing - OC DCBrad Mehldau Trio - OdeNeil Cowley Trio - The Face of Mount MolehillPortico Quartet - Portico QuartetLund Quartet - Lund Quartet
― mike t-diva, Friday, 23 November 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
i wish i knew stuff about jazz. maybe i'll give it a go in 2013.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 23 November 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
i'm saving it for when i'm too old to go raving
which on the evidence of last weekend is not yet
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Friday, 23 November 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link