Taylor Swift - RED - October 22

when taylor sings "on a wednesday" I have flashbacks to 'pieces of me,' haha thats funny

I've never got Taylor’s music before, but 'Back Together' has started becoming a regular fixture in my head, am I right in thinking that it's pretty atypical of her other stuff?

Yes and no. If you know her other stuff, it pretty much just sounds like a Taylor song given the Max Martin treatment. But if the Max Martin treatment is what you're responding to, then most of her other stuff won't sound like that. (But in either case, "I Knew You Were Trouble" should click.)

lolz @ these images of from the "I Knew You Were Trouble" video shoot

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdqs5doX3W1qb86xno1_1280.jpg

dress up like hiiiiipssssterrrrrrssssss

brb gonna pitch the idea of taking taylor to dalston to mock hipsters then just printing the transcript

hide away and find your peace of mind
with some dubstep record that's ~much~ cooler than mine

fiiiinally got this (was waiting for a trip to Target lol to get the deluxe edition, & I barely come up for air anymore)

I love her vocal tone on "The Lucky One", & the double vocal tracking on the chorus

only clunker is "Everything Has Changed"

ooh that reminds me i must get round to putting online the swift quotes that didn't make it into the interview

this definitely needs to happen lex

I'd be cool with learning what specifically made Lex so legit.

it was a question about "never grow up" and death

amazing

i want like all the specifics

like literally every detail of every moment that was spent in her presence

that wouldn't be at all inconvenient or annoying for you would it

I decree that 'starlight' is a jam

the nashville airport gift shop had ten by ten foot taylor quilts

did you buy me one?

i bought one for everybody

I decree that 'starlight' is a jam

― 乒乓, Friday, November 23, 2012 3:27 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's not 'dear john' or anything but it's the perfect song to play on repeat for 20 times and never play again, an inconsequential song about an inconsequential night

nothing's inconsequential

Starlight is horrible. Lyrically, musically. Just horrible.

This is really good though, and i say that as someone who's never listened to a Taylor Swift album before. "All Too Well" is stunning

I cringed at "Starlight" the first many times through -- not the tune, which is fine, but the lyrics and the whole Kennedy thing, which just seems off in every possible way. But damn if it isn't the song that keeps popping up in my head the last few days. Still wish she'd record a generic non-Kennedy version.

Though on the other hand her willingness to overreach and be embarrassing is part of what makes her interesting, I guess.

What Kennedy thing?

The whole song's about Bobby and Ethel Kennedy.

I was wondering about the summer of '45 thing

Apparently it was actually a ski trip in winter of 44 or something, and Bobby was 20 not 17, but poetic license etc. I don't care about the details, the song just doesn't work for me as any kind of historical romance. (I really hope there's not an Abe-Mary Todd song on the next record.)

might be alone here but she hasn't written a more assured chorus than the one in "Starlight." The Shania Twain guitar chug seals it.

Yup, that's the part that won't stay out of my head.

yeah the first verse is so clumsy and stumbles over itself getting out, but from then on it's a juggernaut

I didn't realize it was inspired by the Kennedies. Nothing actually textual in there except "Bobby", so you can't really call it "about" them. I had figured it was about her grandparents, as a part of her whole examination of the family through multigenerational perspectives thing ("The Best Day", "Never Grow Up"). I guess it could still be part of that.

i still don't know how she gets away with going so freeform on "red" and still making every line as hooky as on her most regimented, formula-following songs

My older daughter seems less than taken with the album, but I'm curious what more time with it will do.

Me, when I finally heard this, I appreciated Swift's personality a bit more than usual, which helped cut through the dross. Though I'm not sure I got any more out of it than I do, say, Michelle Branch. Who I don't mind.

Iirc that's what you thought about her past albums too so whatevz

Her least impressive album but I can't stop jamming to "Starlight."

^^^

I just do not get people who think this is in any way substandard even by Taylor's standards

Her least impressive album but I can't stop jamming to "Starlight."

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, December 6, 2012 12:50 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

agreed but i'd substitute a few others songs in there

It's easy: I dislike every Max Martin collaboration. Their sensibilities, which seem similar, don't mesh. It's like giving a highstrung person a cup of coffee and a line of coke.

I haven't really caught onto the second half of the album yet beyond "Begin Again" but I'll take the first half over her first two albums

There are, what, 3 Max Martin collabs? Even if you remove those and the duets you still have tons of amazing songs!

The highs are high but I'm less able to stomach the weaker tracks on this one.

There are, what, 3 Max Martin collabs? Even if you remove those and the duets you still have tons of amazing songs!

I'd also eliminate Snow Patrol and Sheeran collabs, "22," "Red." That's what, seven tracks? I know I"m missing a couple That's a B or B- record.

(I have 100% come over to We Are Never..., such a year-defining song with the lyric of 2012. On board for the Swift culture warz, on board for her Mean Girl-ing indie boys)

Xp how do you even get rid of the flawless "Red"

yeah i think it's a patchy record... the coffee/coke thing is a good analogy but i think the max collabs work. personally i think it's the more bread & butter taylor songs that just aren't as good as the last few albums (with a few exceptions)

"red" would be the best song on the album but that synth tone is so cheap & bad i can never get over it

this is not a front-to-back record, even speak now reached that level on some days

have you ever given a highstrung person bread and butter?

that synth tone is so cheap & bad i can never get over it

^^^^^

this is not a front-to-back record, even speak now reached that level on some days

― 乒乓, Thursday, December 6, 2012 1:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

this too

I don't think any of her albums are front-to-back in their entirety, and with all of them I tend to fixate on the flawless tracks even at the expense of the merely very good ones, and I don't think any of those ratios are much different on Red to her other albums. The opening run of nine is unfuckwithable

fearless is front-to-back killer, speak now is insanely good for a while but then begins to tail off but i think this one is totally all over the place in terms of slotting