rolling regional thug thread 2012

But there's nothing about him that even remotely suggests that he'll be able to make other types of songs than the one he's mining now convincingly.

― weak willie (longneck), Monday, November 12, 2012 4:46 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is otm

"I Don't Like"? "Kobe"? "Hate Being Sober"?

what are you even talking about? I'm A Boss is a hit because of the beat, not because of Meek's voice

― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, November 12, 2012 10:51 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol. What am I even talking about? Are you really saying that Keef's songs are remarkably varied? That he has a number of approaches to writing and delivery? A wide range of subjects to tackle?
His aesthetic is pretty narrow, man. And Kobe and Love Sosa are both kinda derivative of Ross's BMF/MC Hammer phase, while Don't Like is clearly a one off thing. But it doesn't matter since it works right now and that is all that matters.

Also, Meek made Ima Boss. The beat certainly helped. But Meek took it over the top.

'kobe' is closer to a gucci song than anything bmf related; 'love sosa' sounds absolutely nothing like it. 'don't like' is closer to that kind of luger sound. have you actually heard his mixtape?

it's esp ironic to see matt "i like all 3rd generation roc marci knockoffs' h3lg3son weighing in on keef's supposed lack of diversity tho

i mean seriously guys, you could say the same thing about snoop on doggystyle, what kind of 'diversity' are you looking for? he's not nearly as narrow in scope as you're making it out to be

what is the precedent for 'love sosa' ? serious q

Also, Meek made Ima Boss. The beat certainly helped. But Meek took it over the top.

― weak willie (longneck), Monday, November 12, 2012 5:00 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree that meek is critical to the song being dope but he's got nothing to do w/ it being a catchy hit; that's all the beat

The thing I keep going back to when hearing GBE songs is this:

I know what I'm doing. I mastered it. And I don't even really use metaphors or punchlines. 'Cause I don't have to. But I could. People don't want me to start doing it. But I don't like that. I think that's doing too much. I'd rather just say what's going on right now. Real talk, you know? Like, what's going on. I don't really like metaphors or punchlines like that. I'll leave it up to them, people who do that. It's good for them. But as me doing it, I don't do it. I could, though. I used to, when I first started rapping, coming up. I did, I done it before but then I slowed down like 2008, 2009. I slowed down with that punchlines and metaphor.

Pop rap is so much about clever punchlines and metaphors (Drake's verse on "Us" is a perfect example) that it makes sense that it's time for someone to run the opposite way. That's why I say (in the Chief Keef thread) that I hope he doesn't give up the no-punchline no-clever minimalist manifesto style for songs about shopping.

it's esp ironic to see matt "i like all 3rd generation roc marci knockoffs' h3lg3son weighing in on keef's supposed lack of diversity tho

my govt name just got called out things are serious!

dude ppl know i just like that kinda stuff! i admit it's not even that fresh but it's what i like, i'm not a hip hop tastemaker like yrself....i post like 5 youtubes a year and you guys p much just politely ignore them which is fine

but if you deny that keef has an extraordinarily limited range then well i don't even know what level of emperor's new drill we are operating on

i mean its evident that keef's stuff is more focused on a singular aesthetic than, like, the kendrick record. But i don't see how that's supposed to be somehow in opposition to him becoming a crossover success. It's not like there was some huge thematic variation in 'get rich or die trying' or 'doggystyle' either (which again i don't think this will touch those in sales, for obvious reasons not to mention the current state of the industry, but i'm talking purely in terms of the aesthetic range)

matt i enjoy your youtubes

did that new roc album come out yet? i heard jordan saying he'd heard it a while ago

Drake = Fitzgerald (literate, heartbroken. aspirational), Keef = Hemingway (lack of ornamentation, violence). Faulkner = ?

lol

thx k3v but honestly i'm not complaining, like cards on the table i think rap is not that great right now, just to me i don't like it, i p much live in the past esp since spotify it's easier to listen to old stuff i like, but i mean if i was in my mid twenties i'd probably want to be more invested in the idea that something important is going on, but i dunno, this just feels like stuff passing through, but every once in awhile there's something that grabs me...i dunno, the kendrick thing is pretty cool, sometimes kind of a chore but i appreciate what he's doing

what is the precedent for 'love sosa' ? serious q

― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, November 12, 2012 11:04 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It didn't register with me until Kobe - but both songs' hooks loosely revolve around openly embracing a second identity (Sosa/Kobe) in a way that few rap songs did before BMF/MC Hammer. (And yes I do know that Scarface references abound in hiphop. Tony Montana is another one, but it probably wouldn't exist if not for Ross.)

No rapper has ever consistently used the letter O to greater effect than Keef has though: Doooooon't/Soooooooooosa/Kooooooobe/Soooooooooober. As long as he sticks to his o's he'll be fine.

Also, just for the record, I actually love rap right now and am really looking forward to the Keef album.

lol @ deej itt being basically 'i'm not saying keef will be as big as snoop, that's what THEY want you to think, but ::proceeds to compare every aspect of keef's life and career to snoop in 93::'

yeah thats not what he was saying

at all

i mean, i specifically drew attention to that not being a 1:1 comparison

i know you're saying you're NOT comparing him to snoop and yet you've voluntarily brought up snoop like 3-4 times, that's all i'm saying

Chief Lion

ive said that they're aiming to make him into a snoop-style crossover success

i'm not sure it'll happen, but that's what they want to happen

and that his aesthetic range isn't really any more limited than snoop's was at the time

thats pretty much it?

what indications are there that his label is aiming for crossover, besides, like, a few guest verses from established stars (which is pretty much the baseline for every non-Waka major label debut these days)?

like don't say the size of his label advance, that's just a number people throw around to impress people and has more to do w/ whether someone got their buzz before being signed than what the sales expectations are

the fact that hes using wiz, 50, jeezy and rick ross guest verses. iirc it was the 'hate being sober' lineup that first prompted this entire convo

ppl were like, 'he should be making a flockaveli' & i was like, well, i think they're aiming bigger, thus wiz & 50 guest spots...

what's your definition of 'crossover' though? Rick Ross is not a crossover star, the only top 10 hit he's ever been on was "I'm On One"

do you think they were aiming for "snoop level" with gucci, then?

i think they were aiming for jeezy level while being very careful not to let gucci overhear them when saying that

lol

i def thought they were aiming for wayne level w/ gucci. and its what happened w/ his career that is kinda why im not interesting in making predictions lol

i'm just defining 'crossover' as, like, capable of releasing more than one 'no hands'

*interested

i'm just defining 'crossover' as, like, capable of releasing more than one 'no hands'

― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, November 12, 2012 7:54 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so...2 Chainz

i think they're hoping he'll do it without one of his hits secretly being a Drake song

Proud of my cousin who shot/edited/directed this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n7pHdweUHA

I'm proud that someone in this thread posted a YouTube that didnt embed

YA

and that his aesthetic range isn't really any more limited than snoop's was at the time

― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:42 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just curious, by "at that time" - are you referring to a) "Doggystyle, The Chronic & Deep Cover-Snoop", b) "The Chronic & Deep Cover-Snoop" or just c) "Deep Cover-Snoop".

I can see the case for c), but really - Snoop on The Chronic is far more versatile than anything I've seen from Keef yet.
I have no problem with limited aesthetics - I just think Snoop's was always more varied, and not only because Dre's G-Funk aesthetic was more varied than Young Chop's is now. Snoop was approaching those beats in all kinds of ways,

Let me just add that I think Keef's career arc has already surpassed Noz's victimizing "By giving Keef this instant attention, we’ve all but frozen his talent in the moment. Any creative momentum or professional hunger he possessed at first will almost certainly dissolve because, in his head, he’s already made it. I’d like him to prove me wrong, but I doubt he will. Write any 16 year old a million dollar cheque and see if his motivations still lie with artistry" thing

(http://thewire.co.uk/in-writing/essays/collateral-damage_andrew-nosnitsky)

The attention has enabled songs like Love Sosa, Kobe and Hate Being Sober to become what they deserve to be, hits.

You guys are insane

http://s3.amazonaws.com/files.posterous.com/themacdoctor/dZ1iNbUBkKHTHoqcL1cyC0nxKgLt30icPYrNc4RWIavfXxy8SF8PDJCBOJLG/1_a_misery_ballbuster.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJFZAE65UYRT34AOQ&Expires=1352819813&Signature=MktgDaFgS%2B8nHBDbKWZq9Qs0oXg%3D

I care.

i dont even understand what you're arguing. two different keef songs are closer to one snoop song than they are to two different snoop songs?

i dont think there's any more musical variation between 'gin & juice' and 'whats my name' than '3hunna' and 'hate being sober' fwiw

the not-yet-released Hate Being Sober is a hit?

yeah also if 50 cent and wiz khalifa (as much as i love wiz) are on "hate being sober" fuck that...

50 makes way more sense than wiz, even as a sober rapper

i saw this video on youtube where keef and another dude spent a day w/50, was nice he seemed to be trying to mentor them, but i felt kinda bad at the same time because 50's level of money and success is kind of closed door now...50 got in just in time to be in an era where you could make major money off of actual recordings, then obviously parlayed that into a once-in-a-lifetime score on owning that chunk of vitamin water

wiz is like the eminent weed rapper in rap right now, so he's fine, but 50 is so much a shell of his former self, i don't see how he's going to contribute anything that isn't skip-worty or at best just a time waster until the hook returns

disagree

i hate everything about that post

the eminent weed pop rapper, whatever

you guys are really going to try and argue that curtis isn't washed up? please

well, sure, but i'm not about to turn around & say that i have any desire to hear wiz khalifa at all