The Replacements: Classic or Dud?

Matt Dillion

He was on there too?

omg THE INTERNATIONAL ROCK AWARDS i had totally forgotten that

That's Matt Dillion giving the two-fingered whistle at the end of the Mats video.

I watched that live, as broadcast! Also remember Living Colour doing "Johnny B. Goode" and Tin Machine making its debut with "Heaven's In Here," and the sound being terrible.

I watched two years in a row ('89 and '90). I remember Madonna getting booed by the audience when she won for "Like a Prayer."

Best Replacements bit ever is Chris Mars' "Eight Really Dumb Things the Replacements Did " chapter of the long-lost "Alt Rock-a-Rama" book.

It also opens with Palmer's fab version of "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6ujnC5JjtQ

Oh my lord, youtube is a rabbit's hole of half-remembered bits from that broadcast! Somewhere in here is Ozzy Osbourne and Grace Jones as co-presenters!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elvkfIC2BG4&feature=relmfu

The '90 awards boasted Sam Kinison in the concluding "all-star jam."

hahaha yeah the little i could find written about it online mentioned the closing 'all star jam session'. good lord.

god i wish i could find out the story behind this crap making it to air. btw here's a list of the presenters for the second international rock awards

sam kinison (host)
adam ant
garey busey
bo diddley
laurie anderson
lou gramm
iggy pop
ed begley jr
patty smyth
david johansen
christie brinkley
paul shaffer

You can watch the documentary on YouTube, at least for the time being:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY2q3mF5Tk0&wide=1

There's a 10-minute section where they talk about My Bloody Valentine.

Awesome! Thanks for the pointer.

It's neat, but kinda dull. No music, and the stories get repetitive far before the end. Still, I love the band so I watched the whole thing.

i lasted abt 12 mins, cuz damn that needs music + perf footage.

I just finished it up. I didn't miss the music/footage as much as I thought I might. Parts of it were just a straight up tonguebath on the band's legacy, but there were enough really genuinely great moments that I left feeling like now's a good time to go back and look for new things in records I've already listened to a hundred times each.

Would love to hear the unfucked around with Don't Tell a Soul some day.

Me too.

I'm digging this movie, but if I knew nothing about them, I'd find it endlessly frustrating. Oh, "I Will Dare" is their best song? Great, any chance we'll get to hear it? So you stared at the Let It Be cover a lot; can we see it, too?

The overall approach strikes me more as a music-licensing workaround rather than a deliberate, well-thought-out strategy for a band doc. To be sure, there's little I'd edit out of the interviews, but the shit would gain power exponentially with music.

As I wrote upthread, the director insists that not having any music was a deliberate strategy.

http://www.rockerzine.com/index.php/2011/07/color-me-obsessed-gorman-bechard/

As to whether he's being honest or not, I don't know.

It's like that movie they made about Muhammad's life where you never see or hear him.

I used to run an Archers of Loaf message board and Gorman was a regular there. To no one's surprise, he behind the new AoL reunion doc as well.

Thanks for that link, clemenza. I don't doubt that it was deliberate on the director's part; it just doesn't come off that way (due to either clumsiness or stubbornness, I couldn't say). About 30 minutes into the film it becomes a gimmicky running joke, one that distracts/detracts from the otherwise insightful (for the most part) interviews: what's the next incredible song we won't hear?

I only made it about two minutes in. If I want to be bored by music writers and regular Joe music fans waxing unpoetic about why a certain band is their favorite, I can always go to ... oh wait.

Deliberate or not (he sounds totally believable, but "This is not what I wanted to make thanks to the band" wouldn't be the best advertisement for his movie), I totally agree that not having any music really puts a limit on how good a film it can be.

The Replacements are an especially problematic band for that approach since a lot of the fan base is a little too earnest about flying the flannel.

Nice--not as good as Nico, probably as good as the original:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwfTGxg_KE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ploOauuD0M

ha I figured this thread got bumped because of the interview with Tommy on WTF today

have listened to 2/3 of the interview - it's pretty good. nothing revelatory but Tommy's chill and pretty talkative

must be weird for him to be interviewed by a self-confessed 'Mats fan who knows literally zero about them, lol

RFI: Did the pre-Pleased To Meet Me version of "Can't Hardy Wait" have recognizable lyrics or was Paul just going "blah blah blah" whist he and Bob were playing the riff?

the tim version? it's got lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M7q5Mn3-oM

Ha, I meant Tim, sorry.

pre-Tim.

ah, then i don't know! not sure if i've heard a pre tim version.

This one. Some of the lyrics are the same as the Tim version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDCrVy9Tveg

Oh wait. I see. There is a Tim demo version which you just posted I haven't heard which is presumably is the missing link between the live version I used to hear and the Pleased To Meet Me version. Let me give a listen.

OK, you can hear what he is singing, but still get a sense that he hasn't quite finished the lyrics.

tbh honest I have started getting those two albums mixed up over the years, the album where Bob was still around but way down in the mix vs. the album where Bob was gone for real. Should probably post it on this thread: Oh! I Always Get Those Two Mixed Up!

Discussion of the different versions here:http://mentalfloss.com/article/31169/late-movies-replacements-cant-hardly-wait-turns-25

More discussion: http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2009/08/11/sevens-the-replacements-cant-hardly-wait/

Following the lyrics – one of the more noticeable shifts in the song’s evolution – you begin to wonder why they changed so dramatically in the song’s final thrusts toward album status. The song’s lyrics were loosely structured for most of its early existence, but whether just from Westerberg’s tendency to improvise adjustments live or the sometimes sloppiness of the band, the lyrics are rarely, if ever, completely identical in these various versions.

thinking of the PTMM handshake as a tat

What will your mom say

take out the trash

i'm getting the cover of "Stink" tattooed on my neck

http://i.imgur.com/szyBmiv.jpg

dunno if this has been mentioned in this thread but http://colormeimpressedlive.blogspot.com/

Wow. Looks amazing.

November 14, 1987, Riviera Theater, Chicago, IL
14. I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (Prince)

No memory of this whatsoever. I remember it actually being a boring show, and incredibly disappointing. I remember them doing the Georgia Satellites' "Keep Your Hands To Yourself" (although that could be 22. unknown ).

I just listened to part of CBGB's 12/9/84 (as much as I could get through.) I saw some pretty drunken Replacements shows, and I kinda enjoyed "Shit Hits The Fans," but this was painful. I can't even comprehend being that loaded and onstage playing.

I have not wrapped my head around the fact that this is what PW looks like now:

http://consequenceofsound.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/paul-westerberg_credit-marc-norberg-681x1024-399x600.jpg

A.) Not bad for a 53-year-old and B.) Not bad for a 53-year-old Rick Springfield.