How dare I not know that Jon Andersen was actually a milkman!
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)
Poetic language d00d. Would "many moons ago" confuse you, too?
Okay, so he's fucking with the timeline here (tho I dunno who the Outfield is), but what for? Do Yes actually sound like Mars Volta and the Outfield?
One would assume that yes, to him they do.
Don't know the cover, so don't know if this is another complex joke I'm out of the loop on. Otherwise this looks like the same trick as the first paragraph - stating "the truth" then following it up with an obvious fabrication (unless Dave Q really is a crack smoker that burned his block down).
He's giving an unconventional spin on what the cover looks like (i.e. it's not the sort of image that you'd associate w/ it just looking at it, but if you look at it after having read the review you can actually kinda see it); referncing HIS house as opposed to just any house is used to enhance his psychotic critical persona (whether or not this persona has anything to do with the *real* Dave Q is absolutley irrelevant.) So it's funny AND a new way of looking at the cover AND useful in characterizing the persona under which he's writing the review (which in turn is useful for knowing whether or not you'd be interested in the album.)
xpost I'm guessing the apartheid line is referencing the fact that "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" is sort of a R&B tune.
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)
xpost: YOU'RE calling SOMEONE ELSE a pedant?!
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)
I didn't know these things when I read it, and it made sense to me. I don't think knowing anything about prog or Yes was necessary to understanding the article.
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)
I don't think understanding this article is necessary to understanding this article!
Man that was wild, funny yes bit....awesome.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)
(x-post)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― BanjoMania (Brilhante), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)
I have no idea when the problem became, "rock critics are showing off" vs. "readers are morons", but that was the original intention here.
― frankE (frankE), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)
Shakey Mo in minority of one shockah
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― frankE (frankE), Friday, 23 April 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)
The pattern of the HMs here are "here's a witty one liner about the BAND, ALBUM or MUSIC CONTAINED THEREIN" not "here's a comment about one song I like, here's another comment about another song I like."
― frankE (frankE), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― BanjoMania (Brilhante), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)
Hey, I only mentioned math in one post, which nobody even answered!! I guess Metal Mike's accounting career is old news or something...
― chuck, Friday, 23 April 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)
But choice A above does not necessarily NEGATE choice B. The Blondie review was meant to be both, obviously -- a witty one-liner consisting of comments about two different songs. Sort of.
― chuck, Friday, 23 April 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)
*
I think it's pretty funny how not being terribly interested in writing with "personality" and not looking to writing primarily for its entertainment value is getting labelled "dumbing down" on this thread. I would have thought turning every discipline into a personality cult would be one example of "dumbing down."
I honestly don't know why I am continuing to post to this thread. Apparently, I enjoy this sort of thing. I wish I didn't.
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― frankE (frankE), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Friday, 23 April 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)
(To be honest, I didn't really like the piece - though I love dave q and Yes - on first skimming but without even rereading this thread is making me appreciate it more.)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 23 April 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Friday, 23 April 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)
I loved the Yes piece, personally.
"I'm assuming the "true summers" stuff is a reference to the chorus of Yes' hit "Roundabout": "Ten true summers we'll be there and laughing too/Twenty-four before my love and I'll be there with you"."
I hadn't caught that at first. But that was OK. The piece works even if you don't catch it. (I just figured it was an attempt to sound all fancy and literary - just like Yes.) And I think that's the key to making references, lyrical or otherwise.
I didn't know John Anderson was a milkman. If I were someday to find out he weren't, then I'd retroactively like the piece a lot less, because then it would read like pure fiction. But this mixture of fact and fancy is dead-on, particularly given its subject. And it solves the problem of "what the hell is there left to say about Yes?"
Just like Christgau pretty well solved the problem of what to say about the Blondie record, which, according to other reviews I've read in the past day and a half, sounds pretty Blondie-esque.
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Friday, 23 April 2004 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)
I also didn't think it was obvious that Christgau was talking about song lyrics. (I too assume "believes in reincarnation" was a reference to it being a comeback album.) And I also don't really get, even after having it explained, what the value of that blurb would be for someone reading it.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 23 April 2004 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 23 April 2004 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)
No Exit seems more appropriate.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 April 2004 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 April 2004 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)
-- sundar subramanian (sundar_subramanian200...), April 23rd, 2004.
It's in the Honorable Mentions, so he thinks it's pretty good, but not great. Picking a couple of lyric references = "otherwise, it's pretty much what you'd expect from a Blondie album."
Granted, I needed to have a little of that explained to me - the "reincarnation" bit does sound like a metaphor, which leads one to believe that "wishes the pope had a bigger dick" is also a metaphor. But apparently others got it, so what the heck.
Attaching this much importance, positive or negative, to one of many 10-word end-of-the-column reviews: C or D?
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Friday, 23 April 2004 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 23 April 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)