Defend the indefensible - Bob Dylan.

idiot wind is pretty mean, but he does turn it back on himself at the end there -- "we're idiots, babe"

and YOU -- you just sit around and ask for ASHTRAYS; can't you REACH?

haha, one of the best lines. that whole song is so amazing.

Where to put this ... ?

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The Welding Minstrel

bob dylan is one busy 73-year-old.

"Mmm...this is how Lou did it, right?"

Don't tempt fate there

Bob Dylan will outlive every musician of note save Ringo.

When I Fabricate My Masterpiece

He had good album closers imo

I would probably swap Restless Farewell and I'll Be Your Baby Tonight with Cats in the Well and Wedding Song. What do you have against Don't Fall Apart on Me Tonight?

I love Roll on John.

man is that JFK song awful

Meant to add about Roll on John: but then I don't really think of it as a personal response to John Lennon's death, so much as an elegy for a historical tragedy like "Tempest" and now "Murder Most Foul." It reminds me a bit of Kipling's "A St. Helena Lullaby."

I like that he goes back from the Titanic to the docks of Liverpool, and just keeps rollin' on, encouraging/acknowledging Jawhn, his fellow figure, through the streets of history.

Meant to add about Roll on John: but then I don't really think of it as a personal response to John Lennon's death, so much as an elegy for a historical tragedy like "Tempest" and now "Murder Most Foul." It reminds me a bit of Kipling's "A St. Helena Lullaby."

― The fillyjonk who believed in pandemics (Lily Dale)

but worse

I give him points for doing it at all. (Dylan, not Kipling; fuck that guy.)

i kinda love highlands, kinda love that whole album though

"i'll be your baby tonight" is probably my favorite of these. the way that the mood gradually changes over the course of that album -- from some of bob's bleakest songs to some of his most genuinely upbeat and joyful -- never fails to amaze me.

I thought Saved and Shot of Love were both better listens than their rep. They kinda rock at points.

I mean, yeah, they’re both awesome! (is that not their rep?)

I kind of thought they were supposed to be critically considered some of Dylan's worst records.

To be fair, I did not sit and read the lyrics. It is not some of Bob's clearest diction on some of the tunes too.

I always the Xtian themes were not appreciated at the time and the music a bit of a mash.

There are definitely some Dylan tunes with backing vocal treatments that get weird, but I thought the backing vocals on these were pretty good.

It's probably the production era, but the music was a bit more rocked up guitar wise. I guess that is Fred Tackett playing some of those leads.

their rep is that they're a terrible joke. I even have a christian friend who's a dylan fan who thinks that. truth is they RULE quite hard.

so many Bob Dylan threads, thought I'd post this one in the thread that had the most appropriate subject line for the situation

https://www.tmz.com/2021/08/16/bob-dylan-sued-sexual-abuse-assault-groomed-sex-12-year-old-girl-1965/

Very brave to charge after 56 years, I cannot imagine the pain it must have been during all these years.

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Oh god I read that as being sarcastic sorry.

I'm surprised this isn't a bigger story - at least not on my social media TLs, don't know about any of yours but no one seems to be talking about it here so I guess it's not just me?

is it everything else going on in the world? I saw some people who were actually talking about it bring up some evidence via his touring history or something that he couldn't have done it? idk

uh idk it's all over my Twitter feed

it's also a story that broke at night

Dud

Have you heard his version of "Vogue," map?

evidence via his touring history or something that he couldn't have done it? idk

The complaint says the abuse happened btw. April & May 1965. Looks like Dylan was on the West Coast for chunks of April, and then the UK through at least May 12. That timeline doesn’t rule it out, I guess. It’s a pretty extraordinary claim. Beyond the allegations in the complaint and the denial by Dylan’s team, nothing else really to go on at the moment (unless similar allegations have surfaced in the past to support it).

Thanks for that info. Twitter seems to have decided to restrict access so I can no longer read through Twitter threads without logging into an account.

I just did my own digging now; others may know or have found more.

I'm generally seeing it everywhere. For comparison's sake, Sting was sued for statutory rape months ago, and I didn't see it nearly as much.

I'm not seeing too much gossip or immediate presumptions of either guilt or blackmail, which is probably for the best. Dylan could very well be guilty, but for many reasons it will be extraordinary if these allegations can be proven - as mentioned, this was a time when he was very visible, incredibly active professionally and publicly, and his day-to-day activities were pretty much tracked by obsessive fans.

Also forgot, he was followed and filmed for Dont Look Back around this time, especially during May.

I had the impression that he had 15 people and a camera crew in the room with him 24 hours a day in 1965.

He didn't enjoy much privacy, that's for sure. Again, a pretty extraordinary claim, but I guess we'll see how it plays out

Twitter seems to have decided to restrict access so I can no longer read through Twitter threads without logging into an account.

this was happening to me too - clearing my Twitter cookies fixed it for me

This is starting to look highly implausible. The complaint says this took place over the course of six weeks in NYC between April and May 1965. Problem is, Dylan was touring - besides the West Coast, he was in the UK and Europe from the end of April through May, and as mentioned, was being filmed too. This is pretty well-documented, public information which makes it especially bizarre, so unless the accuser got the dates wrong - and it's pretty stunning if her attorney didn't bother to look into those dates - I can't see how this can be proven in court.

Actually it really is impossible for those dates to be correct - Dylan was in the Pacific NW performing from late March to late April and flew directly to London from Seattle-Tacoma International Airport. His UK tour finished on May 10, then travelled to Portugal with Sara where they stayed until the end of the month. He was then in London on June 1, recording at the BBC, and flew back to the US on June 2.

Where are you finding these detailed itineraries?

Ah, here’s a Twitter thread:

In March 1965, Bob Dylan had left his home in Woodstock for an American concert tour with Joan Baez. 1/5 pic.twitter.com/AswpV0RN3v

— Anne Margaret Daniel (@venetianblonde) August 16, 2021

Not every citation in that thread is backed up with screenshot receipts, but the clippings do convincingly document that he traveled to Portugal after the UK tour, and then returned to London (where he spent time in the hospital).

as for her attorney not looking into the dates in question - do lawyers in the States, with its overly litigious culture, even tell clients "hey, you got a real clunker of a case here, I'd advise you not to proceed" or is it just go go go go go

I mean, they're not supposed to do that - you can see the Verification signed by the plaintiff's attorney at the end of the Complaint, where he attests under penalty of perjury that the allegations are "true to as to his knowledge" or that he "believes them to be true." Obviously, there are unscrupulous attorneys.

I tried looking him up, not finding much, he seems to be a personal injury guy. There's also another attorney who signed the complaint itself, with a little more of a paper trail.

I mean obv you should believe your client (or be willing to fight for them in court lol) but I mean more in a "there's no way your case will be successful, honest advice"