"gotta serve somebody" makes perfect sense as the first track on his first christian album: it's an explanation.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 9 November 2012 02:25 (eleven years ago) link
It's a splutter.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 November 2012 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
It's not "mean" in the personal sense a lot of you are going with, but "Masters of War" is pretty vicious:
And I hope that you dieAnd your death’ll come soonI will follow your casketIn the pale afternoonAnd I’ll watch while you’re loweredDown to your deathbedAnd I’ll stand o’er your grave’Til I’m sure that you’re dead
Dag.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 November 2012 02:54 (eleven years ago) link
And of course, preceding it:
Let me ask you one questionIs your money that goodWill it buy you forgivenessDo you think that it couldI think you will findWhen your death takes its tollAll the money you madeWill never buy back your soul
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 November 2012 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
Masters of War was the song that turned me into a Dylan freak. The hair on my neck stood up first time I heard it, and my mind was blown. This song is not funny, but a lot of Dylan stuff is very funny and it's one of the things I've come to like best about his stuff.
Upthread Bob Shaw mentioned Dylan's delivery. He has superb delivery, though he's not what I call a "technical singer". The only thing indefensible about Dylan is the goddam harp.
― Doctor Flange, Friday, 9 November 2012 04:11 (eleven years ago) link
I think of "She's Your Lover Now" as a pretty mean song, probably because it alternates nasty asides to her current flame ("And I see you're still with her, well / She'll be standing on the bar soon, with a fishhead and a harpoon / You'd better do something quick ...") with sad sincere regretful memories ("Your mouth used to be so naked, your tears used to be so few").
"Idiot Wind" does this too, some of it is beautifully wistful but then "I can't even touch the books you read," damn.
― boxall, Friday, 9 November 2012 04:45 (eleven years ago) link
idiot wind is pretty mean, but he does turn it back on himself at the end there -- "we're idiots, babe"
― tylerw, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
and YOU -- you just sit around and ask for ASHTRAYS; can't you REACH?
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
haha, one of the best lines. that whole song is so amazing.
― tylerw, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
Where to put this ... ?
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1961l9kkpz4iujpg/ku-bigpic.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 04:11 (ten years ago) link
The Welding Minstrel
― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 14:50 (ten years ago) link
bob dylan is one busy 73-year-old.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 15:47 (ten years ago) link
"Mmm...this is how Lou did it, right?"
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 15:50 (ten years ago) link
Don't tempt fate there
― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link
Bob Dylan will outlive every musician of note save Ringo.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:13 (ten years ago) link
When I Fabricate My Masterpiece
― i wish i had a skateboard i could skate away on (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:37 (ten years ago) link
He had good album closers imo
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 April 2020 12:08 (four years ago) link
I would probably swap Restless Farewell and I'll Be Your Baby Tonight with Cats in the Well and Wedding Song. What do you have against Don't Fall Apart on Me Tonight?
― Fetch the Bolt Thrower (PBKR), Sunday, 19 April 2020 12:45 (four years ago) link
I love Roll on John.
― The fillyjonk who believed in pandemics (Lily Dale), Sunday, 19 April 2020 14:58 (four years ago) link
man is that JFK song awful
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 19 April 2020 15:03 (four years ago) link
Meant to add about Roll on John: but then I don't really think of it as a personal response to John Lennon's death, so much as an elegy for a historical tragedy like "Tempest" and now "Murder Most Foul." It reminds me a bit of Kipling's "A St. Helena Lullaby."
― The fillyjonk who believed in pandemics (Lily Dale), Sunday, 19 April 2020 15:08 (four years ago) link
I like that he goes back from the Titanic to the docks of Liverpool, and just keeps rollin' on, encouraging/acknowledging Jawhn, his fellow figure, through the streets of history.
― dow, Monday, 20 April 2020 01:54 (four years ago) link
― The fillyjonk who believed in pandemics (Lily Dale)
but worse
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 April 2020 01:57 (four years ago) link
I give him points for doing it at all. (Dylan, not Kipling; fuck that guy.)
― dow, Monday, 20 April 2020 02:43 (four years ago) link
i kinda love highlands, kinda love that whole album though
― brimstead, Monday, 20 April 2020 03:20 (four years ago) link
"i'll be your baby tonight" is probably my favorite of these. the way that the mood gradually changes over the course of that album -- from some of bob's bleakest songs to some of his most genuinely upbeat and joyful -- never fails to amaze me.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 20 April 2020 04:46 (four years ago) link
I thought Saved and Shot of Love were both better listens than their rep. They kinda rock at points.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 02:14 (three years ago) link
I mean, yeah, they’re both awesome! (is that not their rep?)
― smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 02:17 (three years ago) link
I kind of thought they were supposed to be critically considered some of Dylan's worst records.
To be fair, I did not sit and read the lyrics. It is not some of Bob's clearest diction on some of the tunes too.
I always the Xtian themes were not appreciated at the time and the music a bit of a mash.
There are definitely some Dylan tunes with backing vocal treatments that get weird, but I thought the backing vocals on these were pretty good.
It's probably the production era, but the music was a bit more rocked up guitar wise. I guess that is Fred Tackett playing some of those leads.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 02:39 (three years ago) link
their rep is that they're a terrible joke. I even have a christian friend who's a dylan fan who thinks that. truth is they RULE quite hard.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 09:11 (three years ago) link
so many Bob Dylan threads, thought I'd post this one in the thread that had the most appropriate subject line for the situation
https://www.tmz.com/2021/08/16/bob-dylan-sued-sexual-abuse-assault-groomed-sex-12-year-old-girl-1965/
― bon ivermectin (Murgatroid), Monday, 16 August 2021 21:25 (two years ago) link
Very brave to charge after 56 years, I cannot imagine the pain it must have been during all these years.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 00:56 (two years ago) link
Flagged
― Bo Burzum (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 01:11 (two years ago) link
Oh god I read that as being sarcastic sorry.
― Bo Burzum (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 01:12 (two years ago) link
I'm surprised this isn't a bigger story - at least not on my social media TLs, don't know about any of yours but no one seems to be talking about it here so I guess it's not just me?
is it everything else going on in the world? I saw some people who were actually talking about it bring up some evidence via his touring history or something that he couldn't have done it? idk
― bon ivermectin (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 01:26 (two years ago) link
uh idk it's all over my Twitter feed
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 01:27 (two years ago) link
it's also a story that broke at night
Dud
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 01:38 (two years ago) link
Have you heard his version of "Vogue," map?
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 01:42 (two years ago) link
evidence via his touring history or something that he couldn't have done it? idkThe complaint says the abuse happened btw. April & May 1965. Looks like Dylan was on the West Coast for chunks of April, and then the UK through at least May 12. That timeline doesn’t rule it out, I guess. It’s a pretty extraordinary claim. Beyond the allegations in the complaint and the denial by Dylan’s team, nothing else really to go on at the moment (unless similar allegations have surfaced in the past to support it).
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 01:56 (two years ago) link
Thanks for that info. Twitter seems to have decided to restrict access so I can no longer read through Twitter threads without logging into an account.
― Lily Dale, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 02:01 (two years ago) link
I just did my own digging now; others may know or have found more.
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 02:03 (two years ago) link
I'm generally seeing it everywhere. For comparison's sake, Sting was sued for statutory rape months ago, and I didn't see it nearly as much.
I'm not seeing too much gossip or immediate presumptions of either guilt or blackmail, which is probably for the best. Dylan could very well be guilty, but for many reasons it will be extraordinary if these allegations can be proven - as mentioned, this was a time when he was very visible, incredibly active professionally and publicly, and his day-to-day activities were pretty much tracked by obsessive fans.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 02:15 (two years ago) link
Also forgot, he was followed and filmed for Dont Look Back around this time, especially during May.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 02:19 (two years ago) link
I had the impression that he had 15 people and a camera crew in the room with him 24 hours a day in 1965.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 02:22 (two years ago) link
He didn't enjoy much privacy, that's for sure. Again, a pretty extraordinary claim, but I guess we'll see how it plays out
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 02:29 (two years ago) link
Twitter seems to have decided to restrict access so I can no longer read through Twitter threads without logging into an account.
this was happening to me too - clearing my Twitter cookies fixed it for me
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 02:37 (two years ago) link
This is starting to look highly implausible. The complaint says this took place over the course of six weeks in NYC between April and May 1965. Problem is, Dylan was touring - besides the West Coast, he was in the UK and Europe from the end of April through May, and as mentioned, was being filmed too. This is pretty well-documented, public information which makes it especially bizarre, so unless the accuser got the dates wrong - and it's pretty stunning if her attorney didn't bother to look into those dates - I can't see how this can be proven in court.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 02:38 (two years ago) link
Actually it really is impossible for those dates to be correct - Dylan was in the Pacific NW performing from late March to late April and flew directly to London from Seattle-Tacoma International Airport. His UK tour finished on May 10, then travelled to Portugal with Sara where they stayed until the end of the month. He was then in London on June 1, recording at the BBC, and flew back to the US on June 2.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 02:46 (two years ago) link
Where are you finding these detailed itineraries?
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 03:20 (two years ago) link