Blue Oyster Cult: Classic or Dud?

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Seeing Myonga refer to B.O.C. as The American Black Sabbath reminded me of a theory I cooked up a little while back about B.O.C. being The American Hawkwind

Why-

1. Some Sci-Fi mythology (altough certainly less so for BOC)
2. Two biggest hits not sung by lead singer (BOC-"Reaper" & "Burnin'" sung by Roeser. Hawkwind-"Silver Machine" sung by Lemmy & "Quark..." by Bob Calvert) Which leads to...
3. Literary Connections (BOC-Pearlman, Meltzer & Patti Smith. Hawkwind-Michael Moorcock & Bob Calvert)
4. BOOGIE!
5. LASERS!

C. Grisso/McCain, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

BOC also had Moorcock.

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

But there's a serious lead guitar disparity between the two.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

they also shared the same listserv email group way back in the day! the BOC/Hawkwind list. Good times. Albert Bouchard and Deb Frost used to post to it once in a very blue moon.

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

i gotz love for Club Ninja! i bought that cassette when i was a kid. didn't know shit abt BOC, so it was the first one i heard...Dancin' in the Ruins is a great slab of AOR!

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

I think they were the best American band of the 1970s. How about that, fuckers. Better than Utopia, even.

Great tunes, excellent feel, great harmony vocals - occasionally they sound like the heavy metal byrds, & what on earth could possibly be better than that, eh?

Buck Dharma is an awesome, underrated lead guitarist, as well.

I saw them live w/aldo nova supporting - I'm pretty sure it was the tour for "Club Ninja", as it happens. All the reviews in "sounds" etc were like "they're past their prime, yawn, avoid", I was dreading it, a bit but they tore the place up, once they got going they were like this unstoppable machine, they could have gone on all night for me.

One track by them I absolutely love is off "Imaginos" (which is pretty ropey otherwise) - "I am the one you warned me of", what a fucking track! Does anyone else dig that one?

I don't normally go in for rock-list-o-philia, but if I had to name my 5 favourite bands, BOC would make the list, easily.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

I named my band's second album "Buck Dharma" in tribute (the resulting confusion on the Amazon page is pure hilarity worthy of The Onion), so you know where I stand.

To answer Matt's question, Club Ninja has it's moments. The production is actually not horrible for a mid-80s album, and "Dancin In The Ruins" is a killer song. I haven't heard it in a long time, but I remember it rather fondly. Then, I was nine when it came out.

All things considered, the Stalk Forrest Group album, after hearing about it for so many years, left me slightly underwhelmed.

Manalishi, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Somewhere on ILM is a post about one of my favorite concert experiences: fIREHOSE opening up for Blue Oyster Cult at a dead movie theater in Riverside sometime in 1987. Watt babbled about opening up for his heroes and even wore his old Secret Treaties shirt.

BOC hadn't released an album in years (Imaginos doesn't really count), there was maybe 30 people in the audience, the Bouchard brothers were long gone, and the soundsystem was mostly crap so the first third of the show was slogging pretty badly until Eric Bloom went on this five minute berserk rant about frustration, UFOs, being "On Tour Forever," paranoia, shitty gigs, etc. etc. that blew up into an AMAZING version of "Take Me Away" that simultaneously blew out the cobwebs and gave them a full tank of rocket fuel because the rest of the gig was the LA Forum in 1975, even if there weren't any lasers.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

"BOC hadn't released an album in years (Imaginos doesn't really count), there was maybe 30 people in the audience"

30 people to see BOC + fIREHOSE?!
that's crazy.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

I heard one of their newer albums from 1999 or so, it was bloody awful. Just sounded like Magnum or something. Here's a band that needs to realise that the wheel has turned, and they could get a whole new younger audience if they went back to basics.

My BOC gameplan :

1. Get the proper line-up back together, burying the hatchet if necessary.
2. Do one of those Don't Look Back-type tours, playing the first 3 albums in their entirety.
3. Record a new album with whoever produces Witchcraft or someone like that, with Sandy Pearlman and / or sci-fi authors writing all the lyrics.
4. Clean up (hopefully).

They could still tour state fairs in the summer too, who'd know? Anyway, none of this'll ever happen more's the pity. I may have to start a tribute band instead.

Matt #2, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

I always thought that Radio Birdman were heavily influenced by Blue Oyster Cult.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

5. Bring back the giant paper-mache Godzilla headpiece during the drum solo.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

Easily in my top 5 too. I can imagine the records sounding like true classic rock from the day they came out.

And this might creep people out, but I always imagine Secret Treaties would have made a great rock musical, if such a thing is truly possible. I don't even like musicals!! Lasers and BOC and a jet plane and the outfits seen in Scott's pics...

gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Or maybe I just wanna see 'em live, but MASSIVE.

gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

"Astronomy" is one of the greatest and most overlooked songs ever. Metallica agrees!

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

Stormy way OTM above about that _Goldmine_ article being the definitive BOC story (this was before eBay killed _Goldmine_ dead in its tracks, so there was room for mega-articles such as this one). Pretty sure Steve Roeser was the author, so there were some good inside scoops.

Jeff Wright, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

youtube action:


1980 live godzilla:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiHRm2DioMA


1976 live astronomy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V7KPZtcOVQ


1980 live cities on flame

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msT-5t8rZFE


1980 live dr. music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx3yNvVCrnc


astronomy video from imaginos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE4ecIKXr5o


joan crawford video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHzIG_iZRWY


1976 live reaper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDuYlRs9_Do


cool live promo thing of ruready2rock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYbQFzl790E


marshall plan video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0cKtcpiBNY


more 76 action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WPStttiLX0

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the video for buck dharma's "born to rock" on the vault a couple of months ago. man do I love that show.

Edward III, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

Absolute 100% stone cold classic. And Dharma absolutely kills on guitar. Kills.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

All the reviews in "sounds" etc were like "they're past their prime, yawn, avoid", I was dreading it, a bit but they tore the place up, once they got going they were like this unstoppable machine, they could have gone on all night for me.

One track by them I absolutely love is off "Imaginos" (which is pretty ropey otherwise) - "I am the one you warned me of", what a fucking track! Does anyone else dig that one?


I saw them a lot as a newspaper features reporter after Columbia had given them the boot. Most of the time, they were great. Occasionally they'd be in a pit packed with sociopaths and suck.

I liked the first side of Imaginos, so I'm also a fan of that tune. Also, "The Siege and Investiture of Baron Frankenstein's Castle in Weisseria" which surely sounds like it has pre-fame Michael Bolton slumming on lead vocals. "Carpe diem!" is the chorus.

I wrote a long piece for CREEM Metal off an interview with Buck Dharma for the release of Imaginos. Should put it in digital form and stick it on the web. Maybe. One of these days.

Gorge, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

That "Astronomy" video is something else! Is that what the version from Imaginos sounds like? The Secret Treaties version is WAY better! Although I like the 80s galloping drums.

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

... and that Joan Crawford video is all sorts of creepy. The weird thing is, I'm pretty sure I've seen it before.

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

this band was so fundamentally weird it's crazy.

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

it's true. smarter than they seemed and fucking odd.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 10 April 2008 03:25 (eighteen years ago)

Odd but fucking kick-ass. I love BOC. Sad that they are only known for the two or three classic rock radio hits-they don't do them justice.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 10 April 2008 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

...not that those couple-three hits aren't deservedly famous, of course.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 10 April 2008 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

I totally agree, that wasn't clear from my post.

If Gorge is reading this, it would be great if he could post that Creem Metal article he discussed a year ago.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 10 April 2008 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

and not just weird lyrically but they were such and odd mix musically, like you can hear (esp. on the early stuff) the vestiges of San Fran psych and Steppenwolf proto-hard rock boogie but there's something more menacing and angular about how they do it...also a metal element that's almost more there as an abstract feeling than *actual* metal music....then later stuff like "Joan Crawford" is what? AOR Goth?

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 10 April 2008 16:50 (eighteen years ago)

Here's an excerpt from "Fear the Cheaper" which ran in the Voice back in 2001. It was a review of For the Heavy Metal Kids and the Yardbirds -- a Euro boot of Columbia's promo boot of BOC live ca. 72. Originally, it went to radio but there was enough fan and critical interest to ensure that it was issued commercially in a small run. It's also been in and out of reissue semi-regularly. The rendition of "Buck's Boogie" from it might have been the one that wound up on The Guitars That Destroyed the World anthology from around the same time. I can't remember, too long ago.
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...But the real reason for this tear is the re-arrival of For the Heavy Metal Kids and the Yardbirds, a live EP/CD of BÖC performing at a pizza parlor in Rochester in '72 that, I am informed, floats in and out of limited bootleg circulation every few years. The provenance is that it's a CD of a famous Columbia promo issued to radio shortly after the appearance of the first Blue Öyster Cult album.

For the Heavy Metal Kids has fairly obviously been mastered from original plastic. Listen close and you detect the light surface noise and rumble of turntable machinery, perfect in this case because it is precisely what BÖC sounded like back in someone's smelling-of-caked-joy-rag bedroom circa 1972. The tone is hot, airless as if heard in a stereo-equipped pine box, the band pressing stiflingly close upon the audience through a paralyzing smog of brutish, antique amplification.

Eric Bloom laughs maniacally and asks, "Wazzup, man?" as japing bullyboys chant, "You'd kill, you'd maim." This is eclipsed by the best performance of "Cities on Flame With Rock and Roll" on record. The number stalks the room in a transfixing exhibition of vulgar power, the signature riff pitting the guitar against the kick bass and floor tom in a bare-knuckles gang fight with the singer as referee. The packaging is a gatefold decorated with the half-menacing faux-Hunter S. Thompson gibber of "Transmaniacon MC." The disc even takes a stab at furthering the mythos of Gawlik.

In other words, the beating heart of For the Heavy Metal Kids brings everything BÖC's history merits to the table-its early mysterious harshness, the strong whiff of an impression that those who partook of it were members in a dream-world club of intellectual men of action and heavy-handed motorcycle thugs-everything the expected age-of-information product does not or will not provide.

And it's on a weird label named Munster.
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Gorge, Thursday, 10 April 2008 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

"Menacing" is an accurate way to describe the first three records. Even the strange way they (esp. the first two) were recorded gives you the willies. They were much freakier than their neighbors in Kiss, who came across as a cartoon.

xpost

Thanks Gorge

Bill Magill, Thursday, 10 April 2008 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

Alright, I don't get this. I'm crazy about this song "I Love The Night" but I tried to play the album that has Don't Fear The Reaper on it and the style just doesn't work for me. Do they have anything else like "I Love The Night"?

Bimble, Thursday, 24 April 2008 03:52 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, that's about right. Liking "I Love the Night" at the expense of the other stuff cited doesn't get BOC. Run along now.

Gorge, Thursday, 24 April 2008 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

Bimble, I would check out Cultosaurus Erectus. "Deadline" is pretty close tonally.

Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 24 April 2008 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

^^^That's my fave BoC album!

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 24 April 2008 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

Going to see 'em tonight! Or at least, Buck Dharma, Eric Bloom and some other dudes. Still... pretty psyched!

Has anyone seen them in the last few years? Perhaps on this tour? Or even at any point at all??

gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:42 (seventeen years ago)

will be worth it just to see Eric Bloom do that mock "what's that noise?" bit right before they kick into "Godzilla"...

henry s, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:44 (seventeen years ago)

There's this insane "giglopaedia" thing here that is trying to document every show they ever did. Pretty insane.

gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:47 (seventeen years ago)

cool!...I camped out for this concert:
http://www.hotrails.co.uk/history/images/1979/tickets/790921a.jpg

henry s, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:53 (seventeen years ago)

Wow. Is that 1978??

gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:56 (seventeen years ago)

1979

also went to this one:
http://www.hotrails.co.uk/history/images/1980/tickets/801005a.jpg
(this was the Ronnie James Dio Black Sabbath, so not really the dream line-up it appears to be)

henry s, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 16:58 (seventeen years ago)

No, that's still a dream concert man. The Black and Blue Tour is legendary!

Specter, where are you seeing them? They are still great, even if they are touring small halls.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 18:13 (seventeen years ago)

Holy shit, that Hot Rails to Hell website is great. BOC is definitely a group that lends itself to that sort of fanaticism, for whatever reason.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 18:15 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

I have a few BOC cassettes but I just downloaded their greatest hits off emusic. I felt like doing something uncool. You guys are all a bunch of dorks talking about some records no one wants to hear. I am really loving listening to this, it sounds so seventies like nothing else. Probably because they only play two Blue Oyster Cult songs on the radio. That makes them cool and mysterious to me now.

MCCCXI (u s steel), Thursday, 5 November 2009 02:06 (sixteen years ago)

"You guys are all a bunch of dorks talking about some records no one wants to hear."

Thanks.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 5 November 2009 15:24 (sixteen years ago)

Every time "Burning for you" comes on the radio I get very stoked.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 5 November 2009 15:45 (sixteen years ago)

it sounds so seventies like nothing else

^^this!

I've tried and failed to express somehing along hese lines before, but their whole sound and feel is some kind of purified essence of everything I look for in 'Classic Rock' a big part of which is definitely what Myonga von Bontee choicely refers to as 'arcane mysterioso read'.

gnarly sceptre, Thursday, 5 November 2009 16:02 (sixteen years ago)

(t key RIP)

gnarly sceptre, Thursday, 5 November 2009 16:02 (sixteen years ago)

and it was 'arcane mysterioso dread'. you get the point, hopefully.

And I think I might have scoffed when Tim Ellison said their best record was St Cecilia, but nowadays that doesn't seem so ridiculous to me. It's probably the one I play most.

gnarly sceptre, Thursday, 5 November 2009 16:06 (sixteen years ago)

Super stone idol CLASSIC.

BOC were almost as much a worldview as a band in a way. I have a mega sweet tooth for MYSTICAL BULLSHIT and they built that castle higher than anybody.

BOC kind of make me think of Alan Moore and his self-invented 'god' which is just a stuffed toy. It's all an obvious sham, but somehow that just frees the rational mind to let the magicqk in to do its work.

Their most unimpeachably awesome records-- On Your Feet, Tyranny And Mutation, Secret Treaties, Cultosaurus Erectus, Fire Of Unknown Origin. But every one of their LPs has at least a handful of brilliant things, and while their dud tracks are outrageously dudly, there's something really fascinating about the dud-ness that draws you back for many re-listenings.

They keep playing NYC without me noticing and I REALLY need to catch them soon.

Durian Durian (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 November 2009 17:16 (sixteen years ago)

By the way, do any of you past-expiry dudes know if that Goldmine article is online anywhere?

Durian Durian (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:56 (sixteen years ago)

They are coming here in a few weeks, but prices are pretty high. I might wait a bit to see if they come down at all because it's still more than half unsold.

better than ezra collective soul asylum (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 1 August 2025 14:51 (ten months ago)

There were err...plenty of good seats still available at showtime last night

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 1 August 2025 15:02 (ten months ago)

six months pass...

my 22 y/o informed music nerd kid went to see BÖC at thee Stanley Hotel in Estes Park. famous for inspiring The Shining I guess. his clips of show sound and look good enuf

madame defarge supporters club (Hunt3r), Sunday, 8 February 2026 17:57 (four months ago)

Oh man that rules that they played there

duolingo ate my baby (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 11 February 2026 01:16 (three months ago)

one month passes...

So when each of our kids have turned five we give the option of getting to learn any instrument they want, no questions asked. Our second child decided harp, which we still have no idea where that instrument came into her mind.

Our youngest just turned five and she said she wanted to learn how to play the drums. So she goes over once a week now to her drum teacher’s house for lessons.

Her teacher is the BOC drummer. Her first set of drumsticks she’ll ever have owned will have a Blue Oyster Cult logo printed on them.

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Friday, 10 April 2026 23:37 (one month ago)

Seriously, A+ parenting.

jmm, Saturday, 11 April 2026 00:44 (one month ago)

amazing ❤️

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 11 April 2026 01:53 (one month ago)

Don't fear the (drum) teacher

Galactic Poetaster (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 April 2026 12:07 (one month ago)

one month passes...

happy 50th to agents of fortune

Her first set of drumsticks she’ll ever have owned will have a Blue Oyster Cult logo printed on them.

also this is incredible

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 May 2026 22:19 (two weeks ago)

happy 50th to agents of fortune

Strange...I hadn't seen anyone report this!

peace, man, Friday, 22 May 2026 11:38 (two weeks ago)

Should really have some sort of lavish legacy reissue. The earlier one with the four bonus tracks just ain't enough.

henry s, Friday, 22 May 2026 12:11 (two weeks ago)

And it should include copies of those cryptic lyric sheets you could send away for.

henry s, Friday, 22 May 2026 12:12 (two weeks ago)


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