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argh! jim dissed Hugh Jones' production
Hugh Jones rules!

"Contact The Fact" ROXOR!

(help I've turned into Geeta) ! ! ! !

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 28 February 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

So .. who else is excited about this? - http://www.renascent.co.uk/pagessound/bbc.html

(Ordered mine a while ago, but it hasn't shown up yet.. waaah, I want it now!)

Muppet Boy, Saturday, 28 February 2004 05:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I have Shock of Daylight, it's good.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 28 February 2004 07:08 (twenty-two years ago)

A BBC double CD? Holy shit!

jazz odysseus, Saturday, 28 February 2004 07:45 (twenty-two years ago)

argh! jim dissed Hugh Jones' production
Hugh Jones rules!

haha i've come to like the production. there's much to like about Hugh Jones' work, definitely.

the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 28 February 2004 08:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha! A good band. My friend N picked up a copy of Jeopardy for a quid in a 2nd hand shop in 1981 and several of us instantly switched onto them. We started going to see them - they were v.good live - I must have seen them 10 times or so, including Stafford Futurama (with Bow Wow Wow, Killing Joke, UK Decay, Simple Minds, Ludus, Jah Wobble, Felt, Cabaret Voltaire, Bauhaus, Gang of Four, Virgin Prunes, Sisters Of Mercy, Section 25, Comsats....etc!!), The Marquee gigs which were released as 'In The Hothouse' and a great gig at The Lyceum with The Blue Orchids and The Comsat Angels. Borland was a frightening live performer and a grebt guitar player. I'm not sure that it always came across on recd they way they wanted it to, especially the dull later albums from 'Shock of Daylight' onwards, but for me the first 3 are essential. I think the debut has the best songs, FTLM is the most coherent insight into their world and All Fall Down is simply genius -it's my favourite because they took a risk and changed their sound exactly at the point where everyone expected a transformation into U2/EATB style 'epic-ness'. A work of real bravery and emotion with one of THE greatest songs ever written in 'Monument'.I got to know Adrian a little bit about 10 years ago - just by chance his solo band were rehearsing at the same place that a band I was in was using - and he was a really nice bloke - happy to talk about the Sound and really positive for the future. He told me that his favourite work that they did was FTLM - he really wanted to see it come out on CD. Sadly he never did. He told me that Max Mayers had died in the late 1980's after moving to the USA, he'd lost touch with Graham and Mike Dudley had become a computer programmer.
I really should get Propaganda and this new BBC thing looks really good - especially the first session with the wonderful Bi Marshall. I still have my original vinyl copies of the first 3 recds - I'm going to crank up Jeopardy now - 'Heartland', now there's a song! Thing is though, Adrian said it all on the first song on the first album - 'I Can't Escape Myself'. Brutal, too brutal.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Saturday, 28 February 2004 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Leatherface is pretty decent, Scott!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Dr. C: Once my Memory Theft 3000 device becomes fully operational, you will be third or fourth on my hitlist. Just thought I'd let you know that.

Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 29 February 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Andy, will the MT3000 be available for retail purchase or rental?

Clarke B., Sunday, 29 February 2004 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
Revive!

I got the dual disc BBC Recordingsdisc and, well, holy fucking shit. Multiply all previous "they shoulda been huge" comments by a factor of 100.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Additionally, I'm totally enthralled by the three Honolulu Mountain Daffodils albums that Borland was part of in the late 80s. Anyone know what the deal was with them?

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I really really must get that BBC collection. Now if only the Comsats one was back in print (but thank goodness for mp3s).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
I've gradually come to really, really like From The Lion's Mouth, I wish I hadn't been so stingy in praising them above. I'm gonna have to check this BBC thing out too.

Michael Philip Philip Philip Annoyman (Ferg), Thursday, 9 September 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like "Coldbeat".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I finally got the BBC collection. Great stuff indeed.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 10 September 2004 07:03 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
Finally scored From the Lion's Mouth (damn their albums are difficult to obtain without being able to convert currencies of use PayPal -- I had previously ordered All Fall Down from Vinyl Fever here and it took three months to arrive). It's cohesively great. I'm not sure whether I like it more than All Fall Down or not but time will tell. "Sense of Purpose" kills. I direly want the BBC Recordings, Jeopardy, and In the Hothouse.

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 10 April 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Live version of 'Sense of Purpose' on Hothouse is one of the high points there, what it lacks in poise it makes up for in sheer urge to splurge.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 11 April 2005 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...
...

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 December 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

now i'm winning

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 24 December 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

if we don't act now

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 December 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
"Who the hell makes those...MISSILES?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Ned - heard The Outsiders? I think it is all of our duties to bombard Renascent with requests for a 2CD retrospective of both their albums and the singles/EPs. AND the Kevin Hewick/Sound EP.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 February 2006 08:16 (twenty years ago)

Bands that maybe could have become the next U2 but thankfully didn't:

The Sound
House of Love
Chameleons
Echo and the Bunnymen

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:28 (twenty years ago)

uh, comsats?

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:34 (twenty years ago)

what are the members of Easterhouse up to these days? i admired the commie bombast of their first album. i don't know if they wanted to be U2 or not though. Not like the Alarm wanted to be U2 anyway.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)

Ned - heard The Outsiders? I think it is all of our duties to bombard Renascent with requests for a 2CD retrospective of both their albums and the singles/EPs. AND the Kevin Hewick/Sound EP

Sounds like a plan to me!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Ha! I finally bought Propaganda yesterday. Haven't played it yet, but I had a look inside the packaging and was kind of unprepared to see Adrian's sleeve notes. I had forgotten that he died just after the first few of these reissues hit the shops. Still very, very sad.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 24 February 2006 08:24 (twenty years ago)

Obv I hadn't forgotten that he'd died, just what the chronology was wrt these reissues.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 24 February 2006 08:25 (twenty years ago)

All Fall Down is simply genius -it's my favourite because they took a risk and changed their sound exactly at the point where everyone expected a transformation into U2/EATB style 'epic-ness'. A work of real bravery and emotion with one of THE greatest songs ever written in 'Monument'.

Am listening to All Fall Down this very second and "Monument" just finished. Dr. C said it a couple of years ago so I don't have to.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

I listened to Propaganda this morning - how can something this great have been buried for 20+ yrs? Physical World in particular deserves to be blasted out of radios across the globe.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Ned, did you ever hear our awful cover of "Total Recall"?

San Carlos, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Apparently not, ergo you must post or share.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Um, please.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Sorry for the delay. Last one listed.

http://www.myspace.com/magicbullets

San Carlos, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:07 (twenty years ago)

:-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Now listening to In the Hothouse and all the relistening over the past few days leads me to address a point way upthread:

I suspect I'd probably think Winning was a lot nicer if the 'I'm gonna make it after all!' sentiment wasn't offet by the 'Hang on a minute, this guy jumped in front of a train three years ago!' realisation

In my case, I now realize that I have the exact opposite feeling about the Sound and Adrian B. -- when it comes to figures like, say, Jim Morrison or Ian Curtis, their sound and the post-death cults (for lack of a better word) combine to create a resultant expectation that is often hard to properly escape, especially if like me you encounter them well after the fact.

Admittedly I did the same with the Sound as well, hearing them first well after their breakup but before Adrian died, but like, say, Billy Mackenzie and the Associates, when I hear the Sound I hear life, I hear exultance for lack of a better word. For all the most intense moments that Adrian can create with his words and singing, there is a grace and soaring resonance that causes me to rise, not sink. The comparisons with U2 and Bono don't work for me because there is something here that is strong but not overbearing, a true warmth -- and the more I think about so many of the band's contemporaries, the more that seems to be near unique, that the lighter singing voice (if only by degrees in some cases) compared to others is what gives the Sound its unique feel still for me.

I hear the Sound and I hear an embrace, not hectoring or rabble-rousing. That to me is a true gift.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

when I hear the Sound I hear life, I hear exultance for lack of a better word. For all the most intense moments that Adrian can create with his words and singing, there is a grace and soaring resonance that causes me to rise, not sink.

That for me is spot on, and nicely put to boot.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Raggett OTM, I have long since recanted my Sound ambivalence, at least as far as the two albums I'm most familiar with. That one line in "Winning" that says "something won't let you stop" always kind of sticks out even despite the bleak tone.

Also, that sort of warmth you talk about is really evident on "Fatal Flaw" - that sort of falling-into-place moment when it reaches the motif that repeats to the end is one of my favourite drawn-out repetitive outros of ooh, ever.

Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Aaaalso great: the BBC session of "Hothouse", where the original chorus is replaced with sulky instrumental noodling, only to have the original passage redeployed as this massive ecstatic release at the end of the song.

Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)

**I suspect I'd probably think Winning was a lot nicer if the 'I'm gonna make it after all!' sentiment wasn't offet by the 'Hang on a minute, this guy jumped in front of a train three years ago!' realisation*

You'd have hoped that he'd weathered the storm, but by all accounts he got more ill as time went on.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 3 March 2006 10:51 (twenty years ago)

Ah! I've only realised recently there's a connection between The Sound and my favouritest band of all time, Cardiacs. Turns out the early line-ups of both bands shared a few members - Colvin "Max" Mayers, Mick Pugh and Borland himself(briefly).

"It's 1976 and Tim and his pal Adrian Borland (who at the time was in a punk band called 'The Outsiders' and later on fronted a band called 'The Sound') and an amazing rock drummer called Bruce Bizland (no one knows what happened to him) make a band and do about two gigs then stop...they sounded a bit like the rocky instrumental bits on that David Bowie album 'The Man Who Sold The World' didn't they. They never gave their band a name either."

I've often meant to investigate The Sound but never got round to it. Maybe sometime I will.

Philip Alderman (Phil A), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Tim and Sara Smith of the Cardiacs play on Shock of Daylight too. Don't know why there's not more love for that particular record. It's actually my favourite one, I think.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:37 (twenty years ago)

I ought to listen to Shock and Heads & Hearts again, not that I have them anymore. I found them a bit polite compared with the first three, but could be wrong. Thunder Up, the last LP was a good 'un.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

"Who the hell makes those...MISSILES?"

What a great song... I wish he had sung all screamy like that more.
Great great band.

they were v.good live - I must have seen them 10 times or so
Ahhhh! $*#@&!!!

giantBehemoth (makelove), Thursday, 16 March 2006 07:30 (twenty years ago)

Sorry. I'm old.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:11 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
Holy heck. Click here:

http://www.renascent.co.uk/

...then go down to the albums section. Please to note the *FIVE* live Sound albums from 1981 to 1985 now available -- they're all taken from Dutch radio broadcasts, and all are midpriced at that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

I got the email on this too. I can't wait to snag these...

Fsck Washing Ong's Hat (Chris Barrus), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

I heard they were going to be cheapo i.e about five quid, for a while at least!

Dr.C (Dr.C), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
I got mine in the mail a couple of days ago - holy fucking shit. They're just ripping me to shreds.

Ricki Belloni (Pangolino 3), Thursday, 13 July 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
OGWT Sense of Purpose. I've never seen this before. Holy shit.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

(wide eyes emoji)

i'll be back in later with thoughts.

kiss me while the world decays (Austin), Thursday, 19 January 2023 21:47 (three years ago)

Second Layer is arguably more Joy Division THAN Joy Division. Fantastic, singular work - wonderfully dark and deep.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 19 January 2023 22:03 (three years ago)

one year passes...

Hey Austin, in case didn't hear about this book:

Destiny Stopped Screaming: The Life and Times of Adrian Borland https://www.amazon.com/dp/9090379355/

I am a notoriously slow reader and likely won't get to this for yonks.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 15 January 2025 20:43 (one year ago)

ahhh thanks for thinking of me ― definitely of interest! reviews look pretty positive. in my wishlist.

unrelated but the trash theory youtube channel recently did 7 Influential Post-Punk Bands You Should've Heard and the feature on the sound begins around 41mins. it's a good overview and i was thrilled to see them featured.

MUFFY TEPPERMAN WAS THE OG KAREN (Austin), Wednesday, 15 January 2025 23:54 (one year ago)

Yeah, I saw that. Adrian's gone 25 years and I'm always chuffed to see he's not forgotten.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 16 January 2025 03:06 (one year ago)

I only discovered this band recently with From the Lion's Mouth, which is great! I think I'd heard about them numerous times here and other places over the years but maybe their generic name had me confusing them with other bands. Anyway, that's remedied now, look forward to listening to the rest!

Vinnie, Thursday, 16 January 2025 16:59 (one year ago)

I just realised I only know this band because of Jeopardy, which is obviously fucking great, and their first single, and I don't actually know any of their other stuff. I had no idea they had so many albums

I have the reissues of both Outsiders albums and love both of those, love Second Layer and the Witch Trials, funny/sad I know so little of Borland's music after that

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 18 January 2025 02:02 (one year ago)

First I heard of them was seeing a clip on one of those Whistle Test compilation shows that used to be on BBC Four, well over 20 years ago now. It was them playing “Sense of Purpose” and I was mesmerised; Borland was like a British Bob Mould to me! I got the Revenant CD of From the Lions Mouth soon after and I’ve loved it ever since (just got the vinyl reissue too).

It was only later, after learning more of their back story, that my realised late uncle might have known them; he toured with Echo and the Bunnymen back in the day doing their lights.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 18 January 2025 13:27 (one year ago)

*realised my

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 18 January 2025 13:27 (one year ago)

it's officially unavailable digitally, but it needs to be heard: the band's john peel session from november 81. setlist is: fatal flaw, hothouse, new dark age, skeletons. the 'hothouse' they play here is the definitive: one round of the chorus will suffice, otherwise enjoy the tension.

MUFFY TEPPERMAN WAS THE OG KAREN (Austin), Saturday, 18 January 2025 13:34 (one year ago)

Yeah the way that version of Hothouse transforms the song is incredible, that Peel session always worth a listen

I listened to a live version of Sense of Purpose on Spotify after that and that thumping final stretch gets me hyped every time, would love to have seen them do that live

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 19 January 2025 16:00 (one year ago)

Borland was like a British Bob Mould to me!

hadn't ever occurred to me before, but yeah i totally get that - that raw urgency to communicate truths that feel like they're burning a hole right through them, that other place they both seem to go to when they're channeling that through a guitar. lots of my own teenage angst bound up in both back catalogues, both sometimes kind of painful for me to listen to now for that reason tbh

Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Sunday, 19 January 2025 16:33 (one year ago)


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