What kind of EOY Metal Poll do you want this year?

There's a definite misunderstanding of the definition of "troll" with you guys. Dissention? Maybe. But it's not like I posted 100 goatse pics in any of your threads.

yeah also that

I was reading through Rolling Metal this morning and I feel like EZ at least is getting a bad smear job here. Here are his first four posts* from the exchange (also c&p'd upthread):

Not if you're rolling out 200 albums, but if you want to do 50 or whatever than cool.

― EZ Snappin, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:14 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not rehashing the argument for the umpteenth time. As with your other polls, feel free to do without my input. As poll runner that's your right, and others enjoy so go with my blessing.

― EZ Snappin, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:19 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yep. Same as I haven't voted in the 70s or 80s polls. I don't enjoy them so don't participate.

― EZ Snappin, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:25 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes. I enjoy polls that are as much about what placed as where it placed. I like the suspense; it keeps me engaged where a long rollout doesn't. It's all personal preference.

― EZ Snappin, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:36 (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

now true--EZ did say that you were going to do a top 200 out of nowhere, but the pollrunners were arguing as if that was a reasonable expectation (not "top 200 wd be silly", but "what difference does it make?"). But anyways, for the rest of it, he is saying things like feel free to do without my input", "go with my blessing", "it's all personal preference": word usage inidcative not of a troll but of somebody attempting to agree to disagree. I have zero problem with anyone in this thread, and I'm not super familiar with similar problems to execute the metal poll in the prior years, but I'd hate to see EZ go down as the troll who ruined it for everyone this year when I think he really was just amicably saying that he might not vote.

everybody is cool here, I just really want to say a good word for EZ

Likewise. That's the only reason I even posted on this thread in the first place.

I voted for top 50.

can i vote "i dont care as long as im not spammed about it"

Can I vote "I don't give a fuck and can you please stop projecting against some people who might have disagreed with you one time (but can you please not count this disagreement as "trolling" so you don't count me in with them) and if you want to poll the top metal releases of the year just get on with it".

you can't please all the people all the time...

bailing out at the first sign of the slightest criticism is weak sauce.. Bailing cuz suggestions of a different way, also weak sauce. Bailing cuz others bailed, weak sauce. Thinking these guys trolled anything, weak sauce.

You live for the EOY poll, Kerr, Do it. Who gives a flying fuck all what anyone thinks of how its done. If you can't handle any sort of opposition, then you shouldn't be on the innerwebs at all.

too much weak sauce = absolute FAIL!

You pretty much freaked out and failed pretty hard on your response to any and all of this Kerr, Sorry, Bro.

look sean,apart from the fact I've obviously burned my bridges here as long as i run the poll then some people wont vote and wont be happy unless i run it their way and arguments will continue. And jeff is right, its the metal thread regulars poll and its for them to decide on how its run and who its run by or if they even want one. I know everyone must be sick of it, i know the 3 of us who resigned are. This is not a diss on jeff btw. He's quite right to have said it.

Ez, im sorry for blaming you. I overreacted because of previous arguments with you in other polls and I suppose because you're friends with jf. Any problems with him should not be taken out on other people. I'm sorry to have offended you and i value your friendship and im sorry to have lost that. Please accept my genuine apology. I would hope that whoever runs the poll will be able to count on your vote and that plenty of others vote too.

Apology accepted, water under the bridge, etc.

you never vote in the polls so why vote no?

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, October 26, 2012 5:00 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Democracy at work baby. voting no.

Johnny Fever is not a troll, stop saying that

but he still snipes and you will notice that BILL who started the accusations never did apologise.

^what?????? apologize for what?

I have to agree with some dude. If you're willing to let bygones be bygones with me you owe Johnny the same courtesy. Whatever past issues you have they aren't relevant to this discussion; he wasn't rude or abusive or anything but supporting my viewpoint here, and it would be good of you to let it be just that. Not saying that if JF or I do snark or snipe at you down the road that you can't be pissed, but I would hope your apology can include him too.

Bill: the accusation in one of the allitime metal polls (I think it was albums?) that the results were rigged

Hahahahaha, that's a funny accusation, i wouldnt have said something like that. If i implied it my tongue was firmly in cheek. I dont care enough about polls to have levied such an accusation.

I think that's what it was about at least. in all honesty, I might be wrong about that.

huh, i guess i thought that poll fixing thing was last year but it was longer ago than that. it makes sense though, i remember having to be kind of dragged into doing the EOY metal poll last year by AG, and completely sat out the 80s poll despite being asked to help with it because i kind of have a bad taste in my mouth abt it.

also (and obv I have no issue w/you as a poster or person and all that stuff JF), JF totally does troll poll threads. I think its meant in a constructive way because I think he has pretty strong ideas about how polls should be run, but between the weird falsified votes thing, and then showing up like 15 times in the beginning to snipe about the long rollout on the 80s poll that seems pretty clear. i think the prob is that people take this stuff too personally (myself included), its just a temporary poll result, and yeah, i dont think doing it is fun anymore, but somebody else ought to take a crack at it.

Actually, the 80s rock poll is what changed my approach to interacting with AG about polls. I've been rude in the past and I was rude on the 80s thread, but once that dust up died down I realized its a pointless endeavor. When I chimed in on this thread here, I did so in a calm way and, imo, have remained calm throughout. I'm sorry for being a crank in the past, but I'm being unjustly branded a troll in this particular thread (and in any AG-run poll thread in the future). I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT!

JF polls are run like 800 times better than AG polls so let him count the ways imo

Looks like you got the job JF!

I'll be busy with the broader EOY polls, but thanks.

As was stated by AG, the EOY poll seems to turn people on to new music they might not have heard. So with that as the main reason for it, maybe just do a recap of the years releases.. those who want to particpate can still post a top whatever list of the year, but instead of trying to calculate some sort of standings, which I personally could give two shits about the order these things are in, i just like seeing the list!

List em in no particular order.. the 100 cool things that came oput this year as contributed by the ixl faithful..
Sounds a lot easier, and gives everyone a run down of the years gems.

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The noes have it!

No POLL
My babe
No POLL

i'm not a metal fan, in fact i hate it, didn't vote but don't think you should go by these results either. there are just haters out there, they just click on this poll and hit no poll just to fuck with things. get the results from the people who posted in this thread instead and go from there. don't go by the results those people are just fucking with you.

i say throw out a poll, that is what ILM is all about!

to be fair quite a lot of ilm's poll haters are metal thread regulars.

or go with the field instead against no poll and more people want it than not.

I don't know if it's statistically accurate to say "no poll" "won"... The people who wanted a poll split their votes among the different quantity-of-rollout levels... By my calculations, 43 people still want a poll of some sort versus the 20 haters.

Not a big metal fan, would probably not read a fifty item thread, definitely not a hundred item rollout, but definitely would read hilarious meta-thread about what kind of poll to have.

Yeah dude, looks like more than twice the number of naysayers (who wouldn't vote in the poll anyway) want a metal poll. We like the metal poll, AG, and we appreciate that you run it, I think people just get sick of the drama surrounding the actual running of the thing every year. If you just ran the thing without melting down like this, I think you'd find that it would go pretty smoothly!

^otm

Apart from the fact the same people criticise every year and my co-runners also pulled out(would not do it without jjj at least as he's always been there but i appreciate the viceroy doesnt have the time hence him not helping with 70s poll too).

Its quite obvious most of you want a top 50 and I don't.
I do not like top 50s, they are too restricting and I firmly believe that a 125 like last year helped introduce way more albums.
When results are rolling out some people are intrigued and check out albums as they get posted on Spotify or wherever .
If a full list is posted at the end most will have decided they're not worth checking out as they weren't in the rollout.
It's the rollout that gives people the impetus to check those albums out.
That is how I do my polls.

However this poll is the metal threads poll and people want it done differently. The vote is clear and you all voted for a top 50. So someone else should run it. I think johnny fever should takeover as he is the one who every year makes it firmly known it should be 50 albums and that his polls are better than mine. Nothing wrong with him having that opinion, he might even be right but I just would like to see him back it up by running the metal poll this year. I'm sure the fact the numbers back him up in this poll will mean he runs a very successful poll and I look forward to the results (stuck away down the list - hah!)

I'm sure none of you would have a problem with him running it if he agrees to do it this year?
He might even get metal thread regulars to vote who don't normally vote. Something that I have never been able to achieve. Far too many wont vote and I cant change their minds. And I know it annoys them even if I bother trying. If the poll was to represent all the rolling metal thread regulars opinions then I have failed. Hopefully now that we have stepped aside others will take part. That will make it the best poll we ever had if everyone votes and comments.

Mind you if you look at the figures 21 people do want at least 100 in a rollout haha

20 want smaller and 2 people dont care they just want a full list without a rollout and 20 dont want a poll at all.
The list voters have the casting vote!

Its quite obvious most of you want a top 50 and I don't.
I do not like top 50s, they are too restricting and I firmly believe that a 125 like last year helped introduce way more albums.

Why did you even conduct a poll about the poll, then? You invite drama, man.

The vote is clear and you all voted for a top 50. So someone else should run it. I think johnny fever should takeover as he is the one who every year makes it firmly known it should be 50 albums and that his polls are better than mine. Nothing wrong with him having that opinion, he might even be right but I just would like to see him back it up by running the metal poll this year.

I will be busy with the major all-genre ILM poll, and I really have no interest in running a poll about music I find mostly ridiculous/stupid/growly/boring. Thanks for considering me again, though!

You're welcome!

psst, you should do a top 77 like the all-genre EOY poll. VIVA LA SEVENTY SEVEN!

that's too in-jokey for me

I will be busy with the major all-genre ILM poll, and I really have no interest in running a poll about music I find mostly ridiculous/stupid/growly/boring.

dude

lol, AG knows my opinion on most metal made past the year...let's say...1989. 80s thrash, 80s pop metal, and some punk-metal fusion and some nwobhm is about all I'm into.

I don't listen to metal, I will run this poll impartially and unprejudicedly

top 666 or gfto

gfto?

hmmm

glad we resolved this