What kind of EOY Metal Poll do you want this year?

I am also out, this whole thing has turned into no fun to run, last year being particularly bad. This shit is a lot of work and a pain in the ass, and getting sniped at during the rollout for crazy shit like falsifying the results was the final straw for me. I hope somebody else steps up, and I'm sure I will participate, but I've pretty much had it with co-running the thing, sorry AG.

OK

As for jjj's -

and getting sniped at during the rollout for crazy shit like falsifying the results was the final straw for me.

This is what it refers to(not last years eoy poll), and yes jf has apologised many times(which i accepted every time), but he still snipes and you will notice that BILL who started the accusations never did apologise.Although it was really JF who ran with it(keep reading down from the 1st link) esp to this bit YOU TOTALLY MISSED THE ILX HEAVY ROCK/METAL ALBUM POLL COUNTDOWN, SUCKA (CLICK FOR A RECAP) but he doesn't deserve all the blame
YOU TOTALLY MISSED THE ILX HEAVY ROCK/METAL ALBUM POLL COUNTDOWN, SUCKA (CLICK FOR A RECAP)

Now:

jjj and viceroy, I totally understand about it being no fun and why you're resigning. I do not blame you. The same people (johnny fever,bill,ez snappin) troll every year and its quite clear unless they run it or someone else runs it the way they approve of, they will keep doing it or say they wont vote etc etc.
I feel the way we do a larger roll-out (125 last year) means that

A)More albums get "15 mins of fame" and are more likely to get checked out when it places in a countdown (complete with Spotify link) than after the polls done and ballots are published (not everyone even posts theirs!)
Maybe its psychological but seeing an album placed in a countdown means people really will check it out whereas if its missed out , its seen as not being in the list therefore not worth checking out apart from the fewer amount of people who do check out ballots at the end.

B)I feel a longer rollout than 50 encourages more people to vote if they know their more 'obscure' but equally as good albums stand a chance of making the poll.
The reason the metal poll was set up was because metal wasn't getting in the EOY poll and metal fans weren't voting as they felt it was a waste of time voting as they felt there was no chance of getting more than 1 or 2 token crossover p4k approved albums in it.
Then some of the metal fans felt that the more obscure dm/bm wasn't making it so the metal poll rollout was extended . That pleased those voters and they turned out in numbers.
Lots of really good albums were introduced to greater ilx as a result. Would be a real shame if that was lost and people feel its not worth voting as their albums have no chance of making it.

However since Glenn has already said he's not doing it this year and now viceroy/jjj & henry have resigned I think it's a good time for me to resign too and the poll can have a fresh start with a new team behind it. It will stop this nonsense and everyone can start from year zero. Leave all the stupid shit behind.

Plenty of people have an opinion on how it should be run and someone should volunteer to take over.
Last year we had 74 ballots and the year before 80 ballots so people are happy how its run (mostly) if you take that into account .
Seandalai has already said he will set up voting forms and tabulate which is basically most of the hard work. You just need to set the rules, run nomination thread,voting thread then do a rollout or full list in 1 go. Whatever you choose.

Johnny Fever is infact good at running his own polls and I believe he would be a good choice and ez snappin & bill could help him out. (at least that way the poll will run smoothly as they cant snipe at their own poll).

I would like to see them takeover and run it as they wish and I will still vote n stuff (sans sniping) and I wish them every bit of luck with it.
I hope everyone will enjoy it and you all participate in large numbers as before and give us a good poll.

I hope you guys will run the poll, have fun and everyone enjoys it.

JF,EZ & Bill. I hold no grudges against you. I still like you guys, sure we have disagreements but not talking to one another,hassling etc would be stupid and, its not for me, at least. As far as I'm concerned its all done and forgotten.

Just concentrate on the poll and make sure its a good one.

Thanks to all who voted in the past , I hope you discovered lots of good albums and had fun.
On behalf of myself and the others - I hope you all enjoy future polls no matter who runs it.

I miss Twisted Pollstarter.

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I know I am going to regret adding my two cents here, but why was this thread started if you know how you like to run the poll? Just do it how you like - all this seems to be is a chance for either pre-emptive validation or having a pop at people who have different ideas to you. You seem to be pretty good at running polls, even when people are initially against your ideas, so seriously, just go for it.

EZ & JF came on this thread and said nothing trolly at all, they merely stated their preferences. Do you not see how calling that trolling is ridiculous, when that is what you claim to have started the thread for?

Also: jf has apologised many times(which i accepted every time), but he still snipes... it was really JF who ran with it(keep reading down from the 1st link) esp to this bit - you can't say you accepted the apology if you're still going on about it and using it as a weapon. That's not what accepting an apology is.

Really, already regretting posting here. Shoot me now.

Please don't! I just had a dream!

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daer emil.y its not my concern now. We all resigned to let them takeover and run the poll the way they think it should be as they have been harping on about it for every poll.

Please note 2 other people resigned first because of their trolling to which I followed. I note you don't reference them and seem to want to lay it all on me. You may not think they were trolling this time but bear in mind they have been trolling for years and know how to push buttons while appearing reasonable to outsiders. Do you really think the others would resign for nothing? We all resigned over the same thing and the same people who trolled for years. Also it was jjj who first brought up the jf accusing us all of cheating,not me. I just explained it for people who may be unaware of it and might believe the bs about being reasonable.

oh and the poll was because of this . Where it was made clear that everyone should have a say and i shouldn't run it how I want to.

but since this thing is supposed to be for the community and not something that you came up with yourself (like the 70s and 80s polls), I feel like the community does have a say in the rollout – And it seems like the community is saying that they want a smaller list.

― Bound by Habitrails (J3ff T.), Friday, 26 October 2012 18:15 (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

AG, neither EZ nor I give approximately ANY fucks about this EOY metal poll. I was responding to comments he made that were pasted over from the rolling metal thread when the topic was brought up there. I thought they were on point and said so. You, my friend, are the one who became a complete drama queen at even the sight of him or I in this thread, regardless of what either of us were actually saying.

As for the kerfuffle on the all-time poll, for which I've apologized about 50 times now, and you say you're past but continue to bring it up every single chance you get, that's your baggage at this point. My conscience is clear.

Also it was jjj who first brought up

anyway you & ez are now free to run the poll the way you want to. Have fun.

Your reading comprehension is for shit.

It's my suspicion that you simply don't want to do the EOY metal poll this year and, instead of making a dignified and well-reasoned exit, you want to pin it on "trolls" who aren't even being anything resembling trolly. Be an adult, AG.

Wow, I just went back and read the dust-up in the all-time poll for the first time since it happened and even then I don't think I come across as a troll. I had clearly been misinformed about whom the voting body was comprised of, and admitted that rather quickly. All this time I'd been remembering myself being a total dickhead, but actually I was just confused as hell.

Nope. I reject any responsibility for any of this.

jf you seem to wilfully ignore the fact the other 2 quit first BECAUSE OF YOU and others trolling the poll EVERY year. But you like to wilfully ignore everything so you can just try and make it all about me.
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Can someone (non-combatively) explain the fixation on polls in general? Is that really the reason people come to ILX - to vote in polls? It's certainly not why I come here, and I suspect I'm not some weird antisocial outlier in that regard.

they are (used to be at least) fun for the people taking part.

And it leads to people finding out about good music that they didn't know about previously (hence me using longer rollouts).
Others have different reasons for liking polls of course. Some just like the suspense of polls.

Despite your protestations of innocence, JF, you're the biggest troll of metal and rock threads I know. You can deny it, but whatever man... I'm checking out of this thread now before I start getting too many posts flagged.

just for the record no one trolled the 2010 or 2011 metal polls

There's a definite misunderstanding of the definition of "troll" with you guys. Dissention? Maybe. But it's not like I posted 100 goatse pics in any of your threads.

yeah also that

I was reading through Rolling Metal this morning and I feel like EZ at least is getting a bad smear job here. Here are his first four posts* from the exchange (also c&p'd upthread):

Not if you're rolling out 200 albums, but if you want to do 50 or whatever than cool.

― EZ Snappin, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:14 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not rehashing the argument for the umpteenth time. As with your other polls, feel free to do without my input. As poll runner that's your right, and others enjoy so go with my blessing.

― EZ Snappin, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:19 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yep. Same as I haven't voted in the 70s or 80s polls. I don't enjoy them so don't participate.

― EZ Snappin, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:25 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes. I enjoy polls that are as much about what placed as where it placed. I like the suspense; it keeps me engaged where a long rollout doesn't. It's all personal preference.

― EZ Snappin, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:36 (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

now true--EZ did say that you were going to do a top 200 out of nowhere, but the pollrunners were arguing as if that was a reasonable expectation (not "top 200 wd be silly", but "what difference does it make?"). But anyways, for the rest of it, he is saying things like feel free to do without my input", "go with my blessing", "it's all personal preference": word usage inidcative not of a troll but of somebody attempting to agree to disagree. I have zero problem with anyone in this thread, and I'm not super familiar with similar problems to execute the metal poll in the prior years, but I'd hate to see EZ go down as the troll who ruined it for everyone this year when I think he really was just amicably saying that he might not vote.

everybody is cool here, I just really want to say a good word for EZ

Likewise. That's the only reason I even posted on this thread in the first place.

I voted for top 50.

can i vote "i dont care as long as im not spammed about it"

Can I vote "I don't give a fuck and can you please stop projecting against some people who might have disagreed with you one time (but can you please not count this disagreement as "trolling" so you don't count me in with them) and if you want to poll the top metal releases of the year just get on with it".

you can't please all the people all the time...

bailing out at the first sign of the slightest criticism is weak sauce.. Bailing cuz suggestions of a different way, also weak sauce. Bailing cuz others bailed, weak sauce. Thinking these guys trolled anything, weak sauce.

You live for the EOY poll, Kerr, Do it. Who gives a flying fuck all what anyone thinks of how its done. If you can't handle any sort of opposition, then you shouldn't be on the innerwebs at all.

too much weak sauce = absolute FAIL!

You pretty much freaked out and failed pretty hard on your response to any and all of this Kerr, Sorry, Bro.

look sean,apart from the fact I've obviously burned my bridges here as long as i run the poll then some people wont vote and wont be happy unless i run it their way and arguments will continue. And jeff is right, its the metal thread regulars poll and its for them to decide on how its run and who its run by or if they even want one. I know everyone must be sick of it, i know the 3 of us who resigned are. This is not a diss on jeff btw. He's quite right to have said it.

Ez, im sorry for blaming you. I overreacted because of previous arguments with you in other polls and I suppose because you're friends with jf. Any problems with him should not be taken out on other people. I'm sorry to have offended you and i value your friendship and im sorry to have lost that. Please accept my genuine apology. I would hope that whoever runs the poll will be able to count on your vote and that plenty of others vote too.

Apology accepted, water under the bridge, etc.

you never vote in the polls so why vote no?

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, October 26, 2012 5:00 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Democracy at work baby. voting no.

Johnny Fever is not a troll, stop saying that

but he still snipes and you will notice that BILL who started the accusations never did apologise.

^what?????? apologize for what?

I have to agree with some dude. If you're willing to let bygones be bygones with me you owe Johnny the same courtesy. Whatever past issues you have they aren't relevant to this discussion; he wasn't rude or abusive or anything but supporting my viewpoint here, and it would be good of you to let it be just that. Not saying that if JF or I do snark or snipe at you down the road that you can't be pissed, but I would hope your apology can include him too.

Bill: the accusation in one of the allitime metal polls (I think it was albums?) that the results were rigged

Hahahahaha, that's a funny accusation, i wouldnt have said something like that. If i implied it my tongue was firmly in cheek. I dont care enough about polls to have levied such an accusation.

I think that's what it was about at least. in all honesty, I might be wrong about that.

huh, i guess i thought that poll fixing thing was last year but it was longer ago than that. it makes sense though, i remember having to be kind of dragged into doing the EOY metal poll last year by AG, and completely sat out the 80s poll despite being asked to help with it because i kind of have a bad taste in my mouth abt it.

also (and obv I have no issue w/you as a poster or person and all that stuff JF), JF totally does troll poll threads. I think its meant in a constructive way because I think he has pretty strong ideas about how polls should be run, but between the weird falsified votes thing, and then showing up like 15 times in the beginning to snipe about the long rollout on the 80s poll that seems pretty clear. i think the prob is that people take this stuff too personally (myself included), its just a temporary poll result, and yeah, i dont think doing it is fun anymore, but somebody else ought to take a crack at it.

Actually, the 80s rock poll is what changed my approach to interacting with AG about polls. I've been rude in the past and I was rude on the 80s thread, but once that dust up died down I realized its a pointless endeavor. When I chimed in on this thread here, I did so in a calm way and, imo, have remained calm throughout. I'm sorry for being a crank in the past, but I'm being unjustly branded a troll in this particular thread (and in any AG-run poll thread in the future). I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT!

JF polls are run like 800 times better than AG polls so let him count the ways imo

Looks like you got the job JF!

I'll be busy with the broader EOY polls, but thanks.

As was stated by AG, the EOY poll seems to turn people on to new music they might not have heard. So with that as the main reason for it, maybe just do a recap of the years releases.. those who want to particpate can still post a top whatever list of the year, but instead of trying to calculate some sort of standings, which I personally could give two shits about the order these things are in, i just like seeing the list!

List em in no particular order.. the 100 cool things that came oput this year as contributed by the ixl faithful..
Sounds a lot easier, and gives everyone a run down of the years gems.

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The noes have it!