What kind of EOY Metal Poll do you want this year?

you dont even post on the thread!

You could roll out a top 50 and then after counting down to number 1 post a list of the next hundred or whatever - then you get a more manageable list but you can also have discussion on what missed the top 50 and people can discover things they might be interested in that way.

past experience unfortunately shows that most people dont care once the #1 has rolled out.

sure you get a few who will (and they might even post here that they do) but that doesnt mean everyone does. And more feel inclined to give something a listen as the list gets rolled out. If you wait til the end then most will just listen to the top part of the poll. I know this from years of running the damn thing.

Again, not trolling but just bringing a different pov, but a lot of the suspense of what might make it what might not is non-existent when the rollout becomes abnormally large (and rankings are as close to arbitrary as they can be without actually being arbitrary..."Oh no, my favorite only made it to #148! I was hoping it would be in the #130s!"). The suspense of a smaller-scale rollout is the thread's engine. Even if there's not as much conversation after #1 is revealed, people still do go through other posters' lists and check things out.

the poll should be about introducing albums to people who are unaware of it. Suspense is for 12 cds a year man with limited tastes in metal who likes whatever is popular and has fuck all interest in new metal.

and if anyone wants it run another way please step up and volunteer to run it without myself,glenn and jjj.

If you want to introduce albums to people who are unaware of them, why have a poll? Just have a "list your favorite albums" end of year thread and create a Spotify playlist off of it.

Isn't this always how it works?

AG: "I'm going to poll the poll to avoid conflict. Yay!"
...other posters chime in with non-combative but different ideas...
AG: "Oh yeah, well run it yourself without any help then! My way or the highway!"

how this always works is that ez snappin moans about a rollout then his mate johnny fever, who does not post on the metal thread and has no interest in metal, decides to troll.

every damn year

Indicate to me one place in this thread that either EZ or I have "trolled".

You asked for input. You got POLITE input.

so why doesn't ez snappin and johnny fever run it instead? That way nobody complains as the perennial 2 trolls are running it!

seandalai already said he will tabulate so you dont even need to do much.

o_O

Apart from some dude, who has issued with album/track distribution on the ballots, I don't get these kind of complaint in my artist/decade/EOY polls. Why? Because I just kind of go with the flow. People thought 100 was too many for the EOY, but 50 was too few. I don't remember who suggested 77, but it was a brilliant idea and we've rolled with it for two years and intend to do the same this year. I embrace input and tailor polls accordingly. You resist input with every fiber of your being.

The answer is because YOU are running it therefore you CANT troll it like you do every poll i ever run. THATS WHY!

Anyway, it's your poll. I'm not running it. I'm not even voting in it. I only posted in this thread because EZ made a solid point.

But I have not "trolled". I've been nice, perfectly civil from the initial post onward, and you've been wholly reactionary and a grouch.

we never have a problem with longer rollouts. its only the same people who complain each year. Everyone else always seems to enjoy it.

But if ez snappin wants to run it his way then he can take over.

its only the same people who complain each year. Everyone else always seems to enjoy it.

Well then why are you even pre-polling the poll? Like I said, you request input and then beat it away.

Please stop bringing me up like some kind of boogeyman.

You asked for rolling thread regulars to chime in, and I did. I gave you my opinion without malice, trolling or any meanness, elaborated with my reasoning, and then encouraged you to do your thing because other people like it. I have no interest in running this or any other poll, never have, never will.

Please, just leave me out of it and leave me alone.

algerian goalkeeper, you could have avoided this if you just said "i will be running the eoy metal poll, format will prob be the same as last year" but one of your many compulsions is this weird idea of ensuring that everyone has input/is "happy" even though you vociferously yet passive-aggressively reject that input by stating that you will only run the poll if you can run it the way you want. this leads to these threads which are the equivalent of petting a kitten unti all its skin has been rubbed off and its head is a bloody pulp.

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to put it another way--

1. no one else seems to want to run the poll. if anyone did, they likely would have spoken up. this is probably because running the poll sounds like a pain in the ass to most people, whereas you seem to enjoy it.

2. if we take #1 to be true, you can run the poll however you want! there is prob very little you could do that would turn away mass amounts of voters.

3. therefore, asking for the input of the community is a simple act of courtesy. you can choose to take our suggestions (most of which boil down to reducing the number of albums that make the list) or not. a polite, but firm, rejection would tell us all we needed to know.

4. INSTEAD, you get cranky when anyone suggests an alteration and tell them they can run the poll. that's not what anyone was suggesting!

5. if you have a specific way you want to do it, just be honest and say so.

we will abide by the results

i voted because i like voting for things

i find ~500 results to be too much to follow and i don't check in often enough at that point to see if poll is down to a more manageable number, so i'd say for sure no more than 100 results. i think very liberal voting policies are important too (minimum requirements for ballot slots) and also, interesting content during the countdown - ESPECIALLY quotes from ilxors who discussed the album, or submitted comments w/ their ballots.

I ask every year for comments and blurbs but nobody is interested. They prefer to keep those for their dayjob.

but if you want to pay them go ahead :)

at the very least it's not hard to write a sentence, or fragment, about what you like about the album

you can't do blurbs AND do 50+ results rollouts, gotta decide whether to focus on quantity or quality.

I just voted for top 50, mainly because it seems more manageable from my end. I can totally accept the argument that a bigger roll-out can and would open people's eyes to records they may not have discovered, and that's perfectly fine, but as Jeff said it can get intimidating to miss a few. I barely kept up with last year's.

Also, the large roll-outs do tend to lose the element of surprise when you get down to the top 10. If we stuck to, say, a top 50, the last few could really keep people guessing. That's a good thing in my view.

Top 50, then before #1 is revealed, a honorable mention list of the above 50 in no particular order (and no more than another 50)with brief descriptions of who and/or what...

I'm sort of torn here: I got a serious kick out of seeing some of my favorite albums place in the #101-#125 range last year; in a lot of ways that might've been my favorite part of the poll.

And yet I feel like EZ has a point.

I guess my thing is that the more expanded rollout imo worked brilliantly in the 80s poll because that decade had been polled to death, and your approach to it was a genuinely original one to take. It cast the decade in a completely different light and I think in those circumstances, that poll was a good place to introduce people to new records.

But I kind of feel like not every poll has to necessarily function like that. From my limited exposure to it, I don't really feel like the EOY metal poll is the ideal place to introduce new records; I feel like ppl who are looking for 50+ new metal records for this year to listen to have already found that. Which doesn't mean that you can't do a rollout of >50, just that maybe there are other purposes for this rollout to consider that might more ably suit it...

Like besides Fastnbulbous, I don't think a single person paid any attention to the Windhand album because it made #109 in the albums poll last year. My pleasure at seeing it place was purely selfish.

Anyways, I took FnB's cue and voted 100 in the spirit of compromise.

More pressing question for me: will stuff from the spacerock thread qualify?

actually Sean's idea is p great

Of course it is!! xp! lol!

I voted 100 but honestly I don't think their were a 100 hundred good metal albums put out this year (at least I've only listened to about a dozen I've really liked)...

And don't count on me to help with the planning or roll-out. Everytime me or AG get involved the trolls come in and ruin it. I'll participate but I'm preemptively resigning as a poll runner.

(WRT Space Rock -- if it can be described as "heavy psych" then I think it qualifies for sure. If its really just new age w/ guitars -- IMO it fit with the whole family of metal IMO. One exception being a typically metal-oriented artist doing an artsy side-project thing.)

*it DOESN'T fit...

Anyway, I didn't mean to suggest there wasn't a TON of great albums, I just don't know about them yet and I have persnickety tastes about what I like. I think a 100 rollout is long enough, 50 is too short (it will all be just the obvious stuff everyone knows about), and I wouldn't be disappointed by a 100+ as I genuinely enjoy long drawn out rollouts...

As for artist/album discovery, I tend to do this during the nomination phase. I understand a lot of people don't have the time or inclination for that but that's why I feel 100 is a good number and its ok to let the outliers be outliers... do yer due diligence!!

I am also out, this whole thing has turned into no fun to run, last year being particularly bad. This shit is a lot of work and a pain in the ass, and getting sniped at during the rollout for crazy shit like falsifying the results was the final straw for me. I hope somebody else steps up, and I'm sure I will participate, but I've pretty much had it with co-running the thing, sorry AG.

OK

As for jjj's -

and getting sniped at during the rollout for crazy shit like falsifying the results was the final straw for me.

This is what it refers to(not last years eoy poll), and yes jf has apologised many times(which i accepted every time), but he still snipes and you will notice that BILL who started the accusations never did apologise.Although it was really JF who ran with it(keep reading down from the 1st link) esp to this bit YOU TOTALLY MISSED THE ILX HEAVY ROCK/METAL ALBUM POLL COUNTDOWN, SUCKA (CLICK FOR A RECAP) but he doesn't deserve all the blame
YOU TOTALLY MISSED THE ILX HEAVY ROCK/METAL ALBUM POLL COUNTDOWN, SUCKA (CLICK FOR A RECAP)

Now:

jjj and viceroy, I totally understand about it being no fun and why you're resigning. I do not blame you. The same people (johnny fever,bill,ez snappin) troll every year and its quite clear unless they run it or someone else runs it the way they approve of, they will keep doing it or say they wont vote etc etc.
I feel the way we do a larger roll-out (125 last year) means that

A)More albums get "15 mins of fame" and are more likely to get checked out when it places in a countdown (complete with Spotify link) than after the polls done and ballots are published (not everyone even posts theirs!)
Maybe its psychological but seeing an album placed in a countdown means people really will check it out whereas if its missed out , its seen as not being in the list therefore not worth checking out apart from the fewer amount of people who do check out ballots at the end.

B)I feel a longer rollout than 50 encourages more people to vote if they know their more 'obscure' but equally as good albums stand a chance of making the poll.
The reason the metal poll was set up was because metal wasn't getting in the EOY poll and metal fans weren't voting as they felt it was a waste of time voting as they felt there was no chance of getting more than 1 or 2 token crossover p4k approved albums in it.
Then some of the metal fans felt that the more obscure dm/bm wasn't making it so the metal poll rollout was extended . That pleased those voters and they turned out in numbers.
Lots of really good albums were introduced to greater ilx as a result. Would be a real shame if that was lost and people feel its not worth voting as their albums have no chance of making it.

However since Glenn has already said he's not doing it this year and now viceroy/jjj & henry have resigned I think it's a good time for me to resign too and the poll can have a fresh start with a new team behind it. It will stop this nonsense and everyone can start from year zero. Leave all the stupid shit behind.

Plenty of people have an opinion on how it should be run and someone should volunteer to take over.
Last year we had 74 ballots and the year before 80 ballots so people are happy how its run (mostly) if you take that into account .
Seandalai has already said he will set up voting forms and tabulate which is basically most of the hard work. You just need to set the rules, run nomination thread,voting thread then do a rollout or full list in 1 go. Whatever you choose.

Johnny Fever is infact good at running his own polls and I believe he would be a good choice and ez snappin & bill could help him out. (at least that way the poll will run smoothly as they cant snipe at their own poll).

I would like to see them takeover and run it as they wish and I will still vote n stuff (sans sniping) and I wish them every bit of luck with it.
I hope everyone will enjoy it and you all participate in large numbers as before and give us a good poll.

I hope you guys will run the poll, have fun and everyone enjoys it.

JF,EZ & Bill. I hold no grudges against you. I still like you guys, sure we have disagreements but not talking to one another,hassling etc would be stupid and, its not for me, at least. As far as I'm concerned its all done and forgotten.

Just concentrate on the poll and make sure its a good one.

Thanks to all who voted in the past , I hope you discovered lots of good albums and had fun.
On behalf of myself and the others - I hope you all enjoy future polls no matter who runs it.

I miss Twisted Pollstarter.

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I know I am going to regret adding my two cents here, but why was this thread started if you know how you like to run the poll? Just do it how you like - all this seems to be is a chance for either pre-emptive validation or having a pop at people who have different ideas to you. You seem to be pretty good at running polls, even when people are initially against your ideas, so seriously, just go for it.

EZ & JF came on this thread and said nothing trolly at all, they merely stated their preferences. Do you not see how calling that trolling is ridiculous, when that is what you claim to have started the thread for?

Also: jf has apologised many times(which i accepted every time), but he still snipes... it was really JF who ran with it(keep reading down from the 1st link) esp to this bit - you can't say you accepted the apology if you're still going on about it and using it as a weapon. That's not what accepting an apology is.

Really, already regretting posting here. Shoot me now.

Please don't! I just had a dream!

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daer emil.y its not my concern now. We all resigned to let them takeover and run the poll the way they think it should be as they have been harping on about it for every poll.

Please note 2 other people resigned first because of their trolling to which I followed. I note you don't reference them and seem to want to lay it all on me. You may not think they were trolling this time but bear in mind they have been trolling for years and know how to push buttons while appearing reasonable to outsiders. Do you really think the others would resign for nothing? We all resigned over the same thing and the same people who trolled for years. Also it was jjj who first brought up the jf accusing us all of cheating,not me. I just explained it for people who may be unaware of it and might believe the bs about being reasonable.

oh and the poll was because of this . Where it was made clear that everyone should have a say and i shouldn't run it how I want to.

but since this thing is supposed to be for the community and not something that you came up with yourself (like the 70s and 80s polls), I feel like the community does have a say in the rollout – And it seems like the community is saying that they want a smaller list.

― Bound by Habitrails (J3ff T.), Friday, 26 October 2012 18:15 (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Snake and Snake 2

snake 1 = 1080
snake 2 = 2097

i have got a nokia 3210 nd my higest score is 1080 in 1 and 2097 in2 i want more score i am from india

― muneeb saleem, Sunday, March 7, 2004

of the 41 voters who wanted a poll, the average number of results desired (counting "100+" as 150) is ~85. including the pollhaters the average is ~57.

sometimes my snake goes backwards and the food eats IT..... is their something wrong with my phone?, so far the food has a top snake of 1.

― snake master, Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:33 PM

Top 100+ category supports top 100, so it should be combined with top 100. Thus, Top 100 or more = 21 votes for the win. Given that AG does all the work, he can decide whether to do 100 or 125 or whatever. Let's do this.

I don't know if it's statistically accurate to say "no poll" "won"... The people who wanted a poll split their votes among the different quantity-of-rollout levels

I appreciate the EOY poll but, as I've mentioned, I didn't vote in this because I have no strong opinion on how long the rollout should be. (I'll check out the top 20 regardless.) So there may be other people who prefer having a poll to not having a poll but who didn't vote in this pre-poll poll.

other people who prefer having a poll to not having a poll but who didn't vote in this pre-poll poll

Sorry! It was produced by Oliver Stone. Who doesn't get those two confused amirite?!

Oops! Wrong thread!
Whatta day.

What kind of "What kind of EOY Metal Poll do you want this year?" poll do you want this year?

counting 100+ as "100" gives us ~73 for poll-wanters or ~49 for all voters, the hypotenuse of that triangle is ~88, 88 is neo nazi code for "HH," that is, "heil hitler," whose birthday is 4/20 so the top 420 metal albums should be polled. obviously.

the people have spoken

EOY Metal Poll's Terrifying New Math

evidence of 88 entering the collective subconscious

OTM

I guess there hasn't been many votes this year...?

nope. Only 11. A lot of regulars haven't voted. Im beginning to think the shorter rollout last year pissed off the lurkers as they just haven't showed up nevermind the thread regulars.

No way to know of course as they're lurkers who wont post!

2010 had 80 ballots
2011 had 74 ballots
2012 under new management there was 51 ballots

I'll vote, but the only album I care enough to vote for is Power Trip's.

cheers jf. Think it may be its last year tho :(

I know I haven't promoted it like I did in the other years I ran it but people complained a lot and this years been stress free as I havent. No win situation.

Time for someone else to volunteer to run it?

Mordy suggested that someone else should run it now but will anyone volunteer?

I will volunteer however, fair warning here, as a poll-hater I will auto-delete all ballots unread, on balance I'm probably the wrong guy for the job