Swans -- The Seer

i'll take my lumps. but i did have a good morning class today so i can't really complain about the way things turned out.

not to add even more bad news, but word on the streets is that not only did Swans play Mother of the World, but they rocked harder than they have ever rocked before

:(

Z S is a dick

ahahahaha i'm sorry that was a jk!

and actually, they might not even have played it. at least in DC, they didn't do an encore at all!

i like the feelings of regret and guilt that accompany this thread. appropriate somehow!

Pretty sure Apostate was the last song in SF.

Yeah, they didn't play "Mother of the World" last night, "The Apostate" was the last song. Show ended at around 12:15, so about exactly two hours.

Josh you had a valid excuse! (and thanks for the theoretical +1 but I had already bought an advance ticket a couple weeks back)y

Oh! Thank you! That's actually a bit of a relief.
Was it just me, or were the lights excessively bright in there? I felt like that was interfering with the show. Also the added fact that they did not play the song I wanted to hear on this particular tour.

yeah swans is not a guaranteed encore, totally depends on gira's mood and the crowd. he prolly saw everybody leaving and was like "screw this no mother of the world for you"

and I love y'all but you sound like a bunch of lamers? I guess my perspective is kind of skewed from years of warehouse shows ending at 2 or 3 in the morning. a friend on fb was recently lamenting about deer tick going on at 11pm on a weeknight, maybe bands should be offering some kind of early bird special...

that varies so much by city and weekday!

i want michael gira to call me a lamer

I'm a lamer
put yr knife in me
THUD THUD THUD

that would be amazing

laaaaaamer
laaaaaaaaaaaamer
*gasp for breath*
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamer
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamer
*gasp for breath*
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*auxiliary percussionist/caveman beats the shit out of gongs*

Edward III otm

LaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmer
chug chug chug-a chug chug
chug chug chug-a chug chug
LaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmer
chug chug chug-a chug chug
chug chug chug-a chug chug

(repeat until the lamer begs for forgiveness)

you fucking earlybirds make me sick

the daughter brings the coffee

half asleep life

white light from the mouth of insomnia

soundtracks for the lame

dry eyes
red with fear
insomnia
white light is here
the lamer has arrived
the lamer has my eye
the lamer has arrived
the lamer's in my eye

laaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER
laaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER

michael gira is a p groovy guy on stage, his goofy handflapping made the show for me. also he & the band stood & absorbed applause for like a full-five minutes after the set, people were pouring out of the venue but you could tell those who were still applauding were like "how much longer are we going to have to do this for?" but he just kept waving it in demanding more & more lol

... it looked like he was getting pissed off at thor for not understanding his conductor gestures

this ruled

http://thequietus.com/articles/10654-michael-gira-swans-bakers-dozen-favourite-albums

^ Gira's pick of his favourite albums (usual click-thru shenanigans I'm afraid). Nothing all that surprising there but he mentions the Stooges 'We Will Fall' by name and duh, OF COURSE! Why have I never noticed the similarity between that and the Swans before?

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/krakow81/8191238369/"; title="Swans at the Arches, Glasgow by Crimson Glow Photography, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8203/8191238369_af0ebe2397_z.jpg"; width="640" height="427" alt="Swans at the Arches, Glasgow"></a>

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8203/8191238369_af0ebe2397_z.jpg
Swans at the Arches, Glasgow by Crimson Glow Photography, on Flickr

that crimson glow dude is pretty good at takin' pictures.

http://signup.koko.uk.com/mouthtomouth/MouthtoMouth.jpg

I'm going to sound like a terrible person, but I had a ticket to see them in Glasgow last night but didnt go because I just wasnt in the mood at all.
I can listen to My Father and The Seer fine and really enjoy quite a number of bits but I havent really clicked with them, I felt this way at their last live show and I'm a bit jealous that I'm not fully immersed in it like most people seem to be.
I'd love to be loving this like I do with most of Gira's work, because many of the older records shook me to the core in a way I fear will never happen again with any art.

His solo show supporting Boredoms was really special to me, a lot of people seemed to act like it was nothing special and I even heard some bitchy fashiony comments as if to say "he's soooooo last decade", I couldnt believe I heard people saying that shit. He even apologized for his voice but it was stunning, I've been eager to hear the studio version of a certain song ever since that gig but dont know which album its on and scared it wont be as good as that live version.

I barely got into the Body Lovers/Body Haters thing at all.

For some reason I still love to buy loads of records but only go to one or two concerts a year now, am I alone in being obsessed with records but not that big into concerts? I seen some great ones but most of the time I'm lukewarm about it. I'm not that bothered about going to see even some of my favorite bands except a select few who I think might be great live. My next thing will probably be Mark Eitzel in febuary, unless I'm still not in the mood.

I've been looking around trying to find out what song that might have been at his solo/Boredoms gig, it was sang with that thing he does with his voice on "Mother Of The World" where he shakes his voice up and down at the end of each sentence, I think it may have been a really different version of "Nations" but I hope not, it was so harrowing and I'm scared it might be a really rare track I'll never find, a unique live interpretation of a song, or worse: a song never recorded (but I dont think so, because a friend told me all the songs were from previous albums).

http://www.setlist.fm/setlists/michael-gira-73d6fa59.html?page=5

^ the setlist for glasgow wasn't posted, but if you look at some of the earlier dates on that tour (e.g. rome or amsterdam), his set seems to be pretty constant. does that help?

Where's the Irish dates Gira mate?

Sort it out

i was fortunate to see swans on the greed / holy money and children of god tours and never again expected to experience another musical event that shook me in such a fundamental way, but the gig last night had precisely that effect. crushing. wondering if i will experience the like of that ever again?

Thankyou very very much Albert Crampus(NickB) for your help. It was, as I had thought earlier, "Nations" but different from the first early version I found on youtube, the version I saw was more like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLCreWbag0k

...does the studio album version sound like this, with the crazy shaking vocals? Because that really got under my skin.

i was fortunate to see swans on the greed / holy money and children of god tours and never again expected to experience another musical event that shook me in such a fundamental way, but the gig last night had precisely that effect. crushing. wondering if i will experience the like of that ever again?

― stirmonster, Saturday, 17 November 2012 18:07 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wanted to hear what you and krakow and other glasgow attendees thought of the gig on friday. i was surprised by how much the sound had changed since the last time they played the arches - much heavier, thicker, overwhelming - at times, particularly in the very bass-heavy first half, it kind've reminded me of attending a really deep dub blues night, totally physical and body-targeted - my clothes were rippling, i could feel a crash barrier vibrating against my leg, saw bits of debris fall from the ceiling. at one point it felt like someone was pressing on the inside of my mouth. it was a sound you could really get lost in.

of course, the sound wasn't by any means perfect, but fair play to the arches for giving it a good old try (i'm guessing the power of the sound system is one of the reasons why gira favours it as a touring venue.) his vocals especially disappeared under the heavy bass-drums, tho i notice he's singing less these days, anyway - at times he still sounds as powerful as ever, but his voice is much less the focus.

the muddy sound in the arches has ruined many a gig for me in the past, but i think in this case it actually enhanced the bludgeoning. i was compelled to wear ear plugs which is something i (probably foolishly) rarely do and that muddied the sound even more but didn't take way from the brute physical force. as you mention, there was all sorts of debris falling from the ceiling which i have only ever see happen in there before when mungos hi fi had their massive dub sound system set up. i'm still undecided as to whether i missed the sheer power of gira's vocals which were the dominant sonic factor last time i saw them but it was good to have a different experience rather than it being more of the same. as they appear to have come full circle sound wise, i'm wondering where they can / will go from here?

i was back in there a few hours later to play a gig and there was some local techno act playing. several people i spoke to were saying how loud and powerful they were but i could only chuckle as in comparison with swans it was akin to hearing mantovani played through a small transistor radio.

I want thor to protect me in his big hammering arms

This might be the album where Swans finally clicks for me. Helps that I'm on a huge Scott Walker tip at the moment and this is the only thing that comes close.

Weird music/real-life sync-up. I've just moved house and was cycling to my girlfriend's house the other night and tried to take a short cut. I ended up getting slightly lost and ended up in a slightly dodgy neighbourhood, it was raining, dark, lots of dark underpasses and alleyways etc while "93 Ave. B Blues" unravels into my ears in all its creepy howling glory. I wouldn't normally be frightened of cycling through this area, but suddenly everything took on this haunted, gothic tinge and I was very very scared indeed.

how is this album so long? it zips by in a minute

Man, this is really good. I haven't kept up with Swans stuff since Great Annihilator, but I really like the balance of musical heaviness and the dramatic, uh "gothic" elements that always seemed overpowering to me on the Various Failures period recordings.

The Apostate is just so fucking huge when you listen to intently all the way through without letting yourself get distracted.

listen to it

alright, alright, i'm doing it already...

haha, i was just correcting my typo. but the request still stands :)

Wow. Gira posted the setlist for the forthcoming dates and it seems like The Seer is pretty much done with already:

1. to be kind
2. mother of the word intro/ bleeds into screen shot (new song)
3. coward
4. she loves us (this one still evolving, but finding it's shape)
5. The Seer / bleeds into toussaint louverture song, which then bleeds into new song oxygen... this last bit, "the seer" etc, is 1 1/2 hours or so in length....
we might insert the new song nathalie after she loves us, but that would make set reach to close to 3 hrs per night, and not sure that's advisable, for all concerned!

Oxygen isn't exactly new, as it was on "I Am Not Insane", but it'll be awesome to hear as it was really surprising it wasn't deemed worthy of 'full band' before now. I wish I was about for the shows.

I am seeing them tonight in Bristol and I am MAD EXCITED.

And I'm mad jealous 'cos I'm in the middle of being on holiday, otherwise I'd be there too.

Wear earplugs, i'm begging you.

oh yes certainly. I was wearing earplugs and it felt like I wasn't. I posted brief thoughts on the other Swans thread and I'm going to repost them here cuz I'm an egotist or something:

I saw them for the first time last night, p incredible. The first hour was the kind of brutal unrelenting assault I was expecting and great for it, but I suppose for the second hour my body gave up all resistance and I was 100% ~inside~ the sound, I felt like I could've gone on for hours more. My special blessings go to the maniacs not wearing earplugs (Gira included, I suppose his ears are like precisely but violently cut diamonds by now) and the shirtless guy next to me going crazy with his buddies.

(Mouth to Mouth was a really fun evening overall, if tough on the legs and back. Grouper and Xiu Xiu both beautiful and intense in their v different ways, Mercury Rev more enjoyable than I thought they'd be, if a bit corny and reliant on the same few tricks over and over. Didn't really get Ben Frost, sounded like little more than cheesy if massive EBM to me, but crowd reaction and twitter search suggest that I'm missing something there.)