Taylor Swift - RED - October 22

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also, 4nth0ny 3ast0n and I have been ruminating on Taylor's trajectory in the light of 'RED' on facebook and I figured I'd crosspost it because I think it's a discussion worth having while we sit around here and talk Taylor:

AE: the best thing about red is that it's Taylor pushing herself out of the nashville ghetto, the anti country positioning is fascinating

Me: Well, she's always been pushing herself out of Nashville and small towns. And she's always been an anti-country country star

AE: oh, of course--but this album, is fucking fantastic because she has taken every single ball and gone home. Also, this song is great.

Me: Like, as far back as the self-titled when she was 15, small towns and small town boys and small town values weren't celebrated per normal country tropes but rejected as small-minded and clingy and undesirable (cf. 'Tim McGraw' 'A Place in This World' etc.). By 'Fearless' she's writing 'Fifteen' which is explicitly about "in your life you'll do things greater than dating the boy on the football team" "back then I thought I was gonna marry him someday, but I realized some bigger dreams of mine." And White Horse, "This is a big world / That was a small town / There in my rearview mirror, disappearing now"

AE: Fullt conceded--but those were aspirational, and this is beyond aspirational--she has finally lived up to the potential Kanye saw in her. Totes a meta-narrative there. This becomes the logical conclusion of it.

Me: Yeah, of course. I just meant that while Speak Now and RED have both been more sonically adventurous than the first two country albums (which I still suspect I will end up liking more) her songwriting/narrative/moral/personal values that she's been shilling have never been the small-town Christian feminine morality that she gets accused of. The small-town girl using songwriting to get up and get out. Which now puts her closer to Ashlee on Autobiography, I guess.

AE: Okay, how does that compare to Miranda Lambert then--who tries to have both?

Me: (Oh and if we're tracking the narrative, 'Mean' off of Speak Now, where small-town high school kids are the worst but "Someday I'll be living in a big old city and all you're ever gonna be is mean.")

AE: That line has always struck me as really queer--it's the sort of thing i said to myself as a gay highschool kid--the rest of it not so much, but that one line

Me: e: Miranda. Miranda lives in and loves small-towns but calls them out on what they are. Miranda is happy inhabiting the space of being the 'bad girl' in the small town who drinks and smokes and has sex that they disapprove of. On her solo stuff that feels like ~her~ authentically. On the Pistol Annies record it feels more like a persona, but Miranda, much as I love her, is still defining herself and her rebellion and her wanderlust in contrast to her surroundings. Taylor chafes against those constraints when she's stuck there but isn't invested in adopting the position of 'rebel' or 'bad girl' so much as just getting the hell out. IDK. (I guess Miranda gets out in 'New Strings' but it's not something she writes about a lot.) Also, queering Taylor Swift songs is my favourite thing ever, because how *isn't* for example, You Belong With Me, totally queer in sentiment. All of Taylor's (and all of Robyn's) unrequited love songs are secretly about closeted teenage gay dudes in love with their high school best friends.

AE: Okay, this is half a conversation i have had with a million people--but i think that the Taylor/Miranda dialectic is one of rural/urban--but small towns like the one Miranda positions herself as the black sheep don't exist anymore and Swift's discussions of her urbanity seem generic. (or to queer it, they are the kind of discussions that small town fags have when they think of THE CITY--not any city.) (Which makes me think, you know--are there any good country songs that talk about suburban malaise--where the poet laureate of Phoenix's sprawl, or the towns b/w Tallahassee and Pensacola)

Me: Well, because Swift never actually got to go to 'THE CITY' no? She went from small-town Pennsylvania to Nashville to start writing music, and while that's *a* city, it's not really an 'urban' space that she lived in in the way we (or she) would think of it and now she's too busy being famous, so the city is always aspirational on her earlier stuff or imagined in songs like 'Mine' about college romance and whatever.

AE: True, of course. But don't you get the feeling that she has one great LA song in her--like full Joni ca Ladies of the Canyon

Me: idk. Taylor skipped over the super-folky and/or narrative Joni of Ladies of the Canyon and right to confessional Blue. And her song-writing qua song-writing, sonics and arrangements aside have gotten less observational and detailed overtime, not more. She might have it in her, but not while she's chasing the pop charts (and that's fine, but it's not happening any time soon.)

Figured there'd be thoughts here on Taylor Swift --> Fearless --> Speak Now --> RED, or on Taylor & urban/rural or on queering Taylor or any of those things.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:09 (thirteen years ago)

what's especially amazing is that it's the dubstep drop that is specifically amazing

looking back at my notes from when i first heard this my pen literally just veers off into a gigantic straight line of shock - there was nothing to suggest it was coming! then i just wrote WTF and OMG a lot. then "already trying not to sing out loud" then some hearts. i take very intelligent notes. GOD SO GLAD I GET TO HEAR THIS AGAIN AND ON REPEAT.

anyway falalalala just off to hear this whole album now

lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 07:35 (thirteen years ago)

i KNEW you WERE troublewhenyouwalkedin
so SHAME ON ME NOW

lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 07:36 (thirteen years ago)

her "oh"s on this fucking song

lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 07:43 (thirteen years ago)

that moment when i tried to press the volume button to turn the chorus up but inadvertently turned the stereo OFF and the music DIED was the worst moment of my life

have to play it again to make up for that

lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 07:48 (thirteen years ago)

RULES.

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 09:41 (thirteen years ago)

erm lex can you give us every single detail of every single song or would that like maybe be breaking some sort of rule

uberweiss, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 17:37 (thirteen years ago)

and when is this interview published

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 17:41 (thirteen years ago)

erm i signed a thing :(

i'll just say :D

(next fri)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 17:44 (thirteen years ago)

if not included in the interview i want full details here on the 'legit' part of the convo

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 17:46 (thirteen years ago)

2 legit 2 swift

borscht and bikinis (how's life), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 17:48 (thirteen years ago)

Huh, I never thought of Reading as "small town PA." Home of ample outlet shopping, yes, but not small town PA.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 17:53 (thirteen years ago)

i don't have voicemail or a ringtone, so i need to think of another way in which i can c/p her saying "you are so legit" from the mp3 of the interview and plaster it over my life in some way

lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 17:55 (thirteen years ago)

set it as your morning alarm

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 17:56 (thirteen years ago)

"The Nashville ghetto"

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 18:06 (thirteen years ago)

do u not have voicemail or a ringtone bc you don't know how to use phones?

Mordy, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 18:06 (thirteen years ago)

my phone is always on silent and i have disabled voicemail

lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 18:08 (thirteen years ago)

So is "I Knew You Were Trouble" going to have the obligatory "country mix"?

MarkoP, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 18:23 (thirteen years ago)

my phone is always on silent and i have disabled voicemail

^^^ good lyric

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 18:26 (thirteen years ago)

i don't have voicemail or a ringtone, so i need to think of another way in which i can c/p her saying "you are so legit" from the mp3 of the interview and plaster it over my life in some way

― lex pretend, Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:55 PM (5 hours ago)

for the love of god post it here!

la goonies (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 23:51 (thirteen years ago)

be careful, could unleash a flood of other interviewers who post their own 'you are so legit' recordings, then how would you feel

j., Wednesday, 10 October 2012 23:53 (thirteen years ago)

http://2legit2quit.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/36286.gif

EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:08 (thirteen years ago)

OMG, OMG, you guys!!!!!

http://www.scholastic.com/readeveryday/taylor-swift-live-webcast.htm?esp=CORP/ib/20120913/CorpHP/tout/TaylorSwift/ReadEveryday//////

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 October 2012 22:23 (thirteen years ago)

haha sway

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 11 October 2012 22:23 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlujizeNNQM

EVERYONE COOKING SCMABLED EGGS,CHEESE WITH TOASTER!! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 October 2012 15:28 (thirteen years ago)

"We Are Never Ever Eating Together"

50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 13 October 2012 19:38 (thirteen years ago)

"Dear Papa John"

Euler, Saturday, 13 October 2012 21:21 (thirteen years ago)

Teardrops On My Quatro Formagio

Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 14 October 2012 03:49 (thirteen years ago)

15 (Slices)

50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 14 October 2012 03:58 (thirteen years ago)

Eating pepperoni when I first saw you...

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 14 October 2012 04:04 (thirteen years ago)

Beautiful Pies

50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 14 October 2012 04:28 (thirteen years ago)

Pizza to Burn

borscht and bikinis (how's life), Sunday, 14 October 2012 05:54 (thirteen years ago)

ordering the kind of pizza she doesn't like

lex pretend, Sunday, 14 October 2012 13:00 (thirteen years ago)

When you think extra cheese, please think of me

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 14 October 2012 13:34 (thirteen years ago)

Some Mom and Pop pizza that tastes better than mine

50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 14 October 2012 15:09 (thirteen years ago)

Never thought we'd have the deep dish
Never imagined we'd eat like this
Your taste, forever the taste on my lips

borscht and bikinis (how's life), Sunday, 14 October 2012 15:21 (thirteen years ago)

Dear Papa Joooooohn

Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 14 October 2012 16:04 (thirteen years ago)

on her snow patrol shit with "state of grace"

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 05:07 (thirteen years ago)

this was one of my immediate favourites in the playback, it's a great opener

lex pretend, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 07:53 (thirteen years ago)

the drums >>>
the vocal switch-up >>>>>>>>>>

TS at her most soldier-of-love

lex pretend, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 07:55 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, this could be the best of her 'big songs' she usually closes albums with. love the melodic ornaments.

abcfsk, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 08:10 (thirteen years ago)

the drums >>>

otm

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:22 (thirteen years ago)

Is Begin Again the only Chapman production we have from RED, or is State of Grace him also? I'm glad she hasn't ditched him - they work well together.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:31 (thirteen years ago)

listening to state of grace. is this some generic pop rock song or what

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:51 (thirteen years ago)

now "i knew you were in trouble". yet another generic pop rock song. dammit will there be any country or at least something that's as catchy as "we were never going back" in this album?

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 00:59 (thirteen years ago)

now "i knew you were in trouble". yet another generic pop rock song.

lol are you serious?

groovemaaan, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 06:16 (thirteen years ago)

are YOU serious?

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 09:20 (thirteen years ago)

Guys, guys, no one's in trouble here. Let's be cool.

sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 10:53 (thirteen years ago)

this is a state of grace
this is the worthwhile fight
love is a ruthless game
unless you play it good and right
THESE ARE THE HANDS OF FATE
YOU'RE MY ACHILLES' HEEL
THIS IS THE GOLDEN AGE
OF SOMETHING GOOD AND RIGHT AND REAL

lex pretend, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 19:17 (thirteen years ago)


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