Search and Destroy : New Order

incidentally the live show in Oakland last week was incredible, far far better than they were seven years ago with Hooky. I approve of Tom Chapman New Order.

They were great when I saw them in 2004 or whenever, which also featured Tom Chapman, I think.

uh, no, the first gig with that lineup was October 2011. Hook didn't publicly spit the dummy until 2007

phil cunningham was with them from 2001 on (and still is), that is probably who josh is thinking of.

Yes, that is who I am thinking of. Phil Cunningham, Tom Chapman, who the fuck cares.

akm cares enough to make the original post

you care enough to agree with him

you care enough to fly off the handle when it turns out you don't agree with him

so does Tom Chapman just cop Hook's style completely or does he have some particular aspect he brings to the table

well, he plays a lot like hooky on most things, other things he just isn't as loud or in your face. it didn't really matter though, I got over it very quickly, it was nice having gillian there and the keys had more of a classic NO feel than they did in 2004. they opened with Elegia and played Your Silent Face (with melodica), you can't complain about that.

and, probably most importantly, they seemed to really be enjoying everything they did, unlike when I saw them in 2004 when it seemed strained and they played a bunch of rubbish Sirens Call songs (the newest things they did the other night were Close Range and Crystal). And there were def some arrangement differences; Isolation in particular sounded pretty different, much more like a New Order song now. Love Will Tear Us Apart was played a bit differently too; enough so that when they played it the other night, they sounded like they owned it. In 2004, it sounded like a cover version.

you care enough to fly off the handle when it turns out you don't agree with him

Dude, I didn't and don't fly off the handle. I was just short because I had no time, and was (shortly) making the point that I don't make a distinction between Phil Cunningham and Tom Chapman, as far as replacement members of New Order go. No one is going to the shows for them, and as much of a dick as Hook can be, and as solid as subs as they may be, I can't believe anyone really prefers them to him.

dude Phil Cunningham was not a sub for Hook. you're saying you thought you saw Cunningham replacing Hook when Hook was actually there in front of you, and that it was great. you're the most positive person about replacing him ITT!

all I'm saying is that no-one needs to stay away from this for fear that the band sounds worse. they don't.

I guess I just generally meant I have no problem with New Order enlisting subs as long as it's not Billy Corgan.

I dunno, I like the idea of Billy Corgan doing gigs where he stands at the back and only plays instruments...

The gig they just did in Mexico was great, judging by these audience recordings.

Atmosphere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGayLVOFRrg

Bizarre Love Triangle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUfTYGYtBmw&feature=related

Blue Monday + Temptation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISGXaXxyu88&feature=related

Love Will Tear Us Apart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmW1m_9Bh1E&feature=related

That hook book..

He keeps referring to his copy of Cockney Rebel's "Sebastian" aws being a nine-minute single split over two sides as 'part one' and 'part two', but I own a copy as well, it's six mins and has a totally different track on the other side.

I thought 'maybe it's a re-release' or something, but i've used to good old 'ternet, and it DOESN'T EXIST!

The guy behind the recycle blog has closed down his New Order (and the Smiths) files as of Nov 2012.

I managed to capture most of them, but am missing some in the middle...

I've got them all, I could dropbox any you're after.

'Lost Sirens' coming out next week it seems

nate: I shall check which ones, and thanks...

'Lost Sirens' coming out next week it seems

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx)

It's already out there. It's actually quite good in places, not sure what I was expecting really. There are a few tracks that really should have been on the album, I'll Stay With You in particular should have replaced Jet Stream or I Told You So.

It's pleasantly surprising and a bit dire in equal measure, to my ears. Not sure if I prefer the album version of I Told You So to the one here (which I swear I've heard before, bundled on a promo single).

Californian Grass is my favourite.

The Stuart Price mix of I Told You So was previously released.

I agree with your assessment but not your favorite track. There are 3-4 tracks that I'll add to my WFTSC playlist and the rest will remain with a playcount of 1 along with Rock the Shack.

Which tracks from Lost Sirens would you add to the original album and which would ones would you get rid of? I'll Stay With You, Californian Grass and Hellbent would fit nicely on there for me.

I always hated I Told You So, whoever it compared to Ace of Base meant I could never really take it seriously. Think I prefer the version on Lost Sirens but I'd leave it off my final tracklisting anyway.

Shake it up is probably the worst thing on here, it has a hint of Rock The Shack about it.

The echos on the vocals in Shake It Up totally kill it for me.

it's ok. it's not much worse than the album itself, and some of it is better.

This might be the only band I've loved forever that I firmly wish would just call it a day.

^^^ how I felt about Bowie as of 12:01 a.m. Tuesday.

Alas, David Bowie cannot break up. That is the bane of every solo act.

I dunno, Lolly famously split up from herself...

I suppose the original PJ Harvey broke up.

Wolk for some reason calls Peter Hook a fretless player in his new Fork review. The heresy!

anyway, I saw a copy of Lost Sirens in HMV, of all things. No blue cross on it though.

when did Sumner sport a "ridiculous" haircut?

In fact, I always thought he had pretty good hair! Maybe ridiculous in the everything from the '80s was slightly ridiculous? Like Hook's ponytail?

By the standards of other '80s lead singers, Bernard Sumner's haircuts have always struck me as being refreshingly ordinary.

exactly! Hook is the only one who wore the mullet.

did anybody grab this before it was taken down? http://neworder-recycle.blogspot.com/2012/12/merry-xmas-from-hacienda-and-factory.html#comment-form

Yeah, I did..

did it come as an .aiff file?

i dunno, but I can get the file(s) to you..

ah okay cool - my ilxmail works. ty!

chk

oh, and I like the new album, btw..

seeing peter hook in conversation this week in SF, I think. not really looking forward to it.

also, fwiw, new order live without him were excellent. I'd be happy with them not doing any new songs though and pulling a pixies for a while, just touring old stuff. yeah it's not very forward thinking, yeah it's a nostalgia geezer act, but they were really good

They were alright, yeah.

PHook in conv should be OK too.

In this case it really is the principle of the matter, like a Black Sabbath reunion without Bill Ward. I'd like to think of my favorite bands as more than just opportunistic business ventures, even if I know better.

Still curious why Gillian vanished for so long, starting with the tour behind the group's last "Get Ready"-era reunion, and then returned right after Hook departed. I know there was the matter of her kids, supposedly, but the coincidence remains jarring. Could easily imagine her telling Stephen that there's no way she'd ever share a stage with the guy again.

xpost Hook is in full tell-all/burn bridges mode, so you never know what you may get.