2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees are in and...

pj harvey's not as never gonna happen as husker du or pavement but it should be noted that borderline or cult acts that got in like laura nyro or tom waits or leonard cohen or patti smith were super super familiar to boomers. jann wenner has heard an album by all of them. he has a take on all of them. it will take substantive change in makeup of nominating committee and electorate for someone like pj harvey to have a shot in hell.

i mean you guys realize that roxy music and t rex have never even been nominated right?

Laura Nyro is in the Songwriters Hall of Fame too. Inducted 2010. The Rock Hall put her in as a performer last year.

pj harvey's not as never gonna happen as husker du or pavement

Husker Du and Pavement both fail the Sonic Youth question: are you more significant than Sonic Youth, whom the HOF has shown no desire to even nominate? With PJ Harvey I wouldn't necessarily assume the answer was no.

This was the second poll I ever put up on here:

The Bert Blyleven Poll

My own feeling, stated then and still, is that Sonic Youth and Husker Du will both eventually be in there. (Within 10-15 years, say.) I didn't include Pavement in the poll, which was mostly based on Azerrad's book, but my guess is that they'd follow at some point. PJ Harvey, I don't know, because of the American tilt. If it were a straight rock-critic's HOF, she'd make it for sure.

Yeah, I agree with the results of that poll, tbh.

at which point the bones of the late '60s were being picked pretty dry

They're STILL picking them dry if the Paul Butterfield Blues Band and Procol Harum nomination is any indication. And it is.

So, if the baby boom had happened in the 50s, 80s, 90s or 00s, who would be the Paul Butterfield and Procol Harum worthy of a HoF nomination.

Not sure if I've ever heard PBBB, but I'm thinking their stature is somewhere around that of Hot Hot Heat from the last decade.

An interesting take:

Thing is, there are plenty of respected '80s and '90s bands that actually sold records to choose from, even if they weren't as good as most bands above. Like, I'd expect Los Lobos (who were better than some bands up above) and Jane's Addiction and Pearl Jam and Soundgarden to have a better shot than Sonic Youth, Huskers, X, etc. Hell, maybe even Living Colour and Midnight Oil have a better shot.

― xhuxk, Monday, May 4, 2009 12:20 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Like, is that true? I mean, Pearl Jam for sure. The others, I dunno! I kind of expect SY would trump most of the bands on seniority alone. Los Lobos is a weird one to consider -- because I know critics *loved* Los Lobos back in the day, but I seriously have never met a single person who listens to Los Lobos.

I'm white btw

Yeah, I think Chuck's off there. Pearl Jam, yes. But Los Lobos was a big critical thing for one album--and, commercially, they won't go into the HOF for a big-selling cover of a 30-year-old song. The rest of those bands, especially Living Color and Midnight Oil, seem like complete non-starters to me.

I listen to Los Lobos!

Not that that alone gets them into the HoF, of course

Not alone, no, but it might just get them past the finish line. (Kidding, VG!)

lol

no i think xhuxk otm there - pearl jam and soundgarden are locks (soundgarden might not get in as soon as eligible or nominated but they'll go in for sure), jane's addiction have a pretty strong shot imo - lollapalooza founding pretty big.

los lobos are borderline but at the same time members of husker du and sonic youth haven't been on dylan and paul simon albums.

Forgot about Lollapalooza...so maybe they'll go into the builder's wing, along with the guy who invented the 8-Track? (I was actually thinking that the Paul Butterfield Blues Band's strongest argument was their backing Dylan at the Newport '65 show.)

Butterfield had the first jam band!

xp - the 8-track cartridge was developed by Lear Jet, of all companies. Now there's two ways LearJet could get in the Rock and Roll HOF

Husker Du and Pavement both fail the Sonic Youth question: are you more significant than Sonic Youth, whom the HOF has shown no desire to even nominate? With PJ Harvey I wouldn't necessarily assume the answer was no.

― Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Saturday, October 6, 2012 12:40 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha u still crazy! of course pj harvey isn't more significant than sonic youth in HOF type terms! i mean there are a lot of great acts whose accomplishments aren't a hill of beans to the hall of fame, and she is so clearly one of them imo. if they DO start nominating '90s alt-rock acts who never had a gold record, i'm not really sure who'd be at the front of the line but i have no idea why it'd be her.

My friend works for a booker that books L0s L0b0s once a year or so and says those guys still party like they are 25. Also some friend of hers has this friend that always bugs the crap out of her for a backstage pass & tickets and then goes backstage and gives the main dude from los lobos a bj while her husband mills around backstage
She says they always have to kick LL out of the venue at like 3am cuz they don't want to stop drinking & getting wasted

So I guess what I'm saying is they have my vote

How Will the Wolf Get a Nut?

http://991.com/newgallery/Los-Lobos-Colossal-Head-478081.jpg

looool

This might not mean anything HOF-wise, but there are only seven artists who've placed in the Pazz and Jop top 5 albums five times or more:

Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Elvis Costello, Bruce Springsteen, Talking Heads, Radiohead, PJ Harvey

If upper miss' story is true, then no wonder Los Lobos fucked themselves out of songwriting credit on Graceland.

(xpost) Surprised R.E.M.'s not on that list.

They came really close: albums that placed #1, 3, 3, and 3, and also #6, 7, 8, 8, 11, and 12.

Los Lobos plays out a bunch & has a good rep in the jam scene

which come to think about it is a scene that might be r&r hof material: 311 anyone?

Hahaha, no.
Phish could make it, would be better if they had a few fm rock hits

dunno how much rock radio is gonna matter though in a few years?

for the hof I mean

cos yeah, Phish seems like a lock to me

* does whippet*

http://forum.phish.net/thread.php?thread=1310520175&offset=0

An NPR piece by Chris Molanphy:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2012/10/07/162438687/rock-hall-nominations-who-why-and-how-likely-are-they-to-be-inducted

I honestly had no idea there was some anti Los Lobos contingent. Band is pretty solid over several albums, and while they've fallen from commercial/critical favor, well, the band's been around since like 1973 or something.

dunno how much rock radio is gonna matter though in a few years?

― Euler, Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I guess not so much radio itself, but it would be helpful if they had a ”tom sawyer” type song that your average person knew

But I could see them getting in like Rush as a sort of cult band on a massive scale, plus it would be a way the hall could recognize the whole 90s and on jam/bonnaroo

Plus phish probably have to be one of the all time top grossing live rock acts by now

If the chili peppers are eligible, seems like phish would already be eligible? They formed way earlier than you think, like 83 or something

'Cept Phish has no critical cachet, mainstream or otherwise, no? I'd say they have about as good of a chance as Dream Theatre. They are totally, exclusively niche.

dave matthews will be how rrhof recognizes jam. phish not eligible until 2015, 25 years after first commercially released album. another thing to remember is that there is a continually growing backlog of acts that have strong cases to be in that aren't even being considered really and that phish or any other non-lock 80s/90s/onward act is likely to end up in this pile and wait to be gotten to whenever the rrhof has finished clearing dave marsh's and jann wenner's ipods. similar thing to steroids situation w/ rrhof.

lol steroids situation w/ baseball hof rather. hopefully rollins and danzig aren't tainted by balco association.

Who has been inducted the most times so far? Clapton? Neil Young?

Eric Clapton. CSN were inducted as a trio, without Neil.

clapton's in solo plus w/ cream and yardbirds. neil young in w/ buffalo springfield and solo, csn inducted but not csny (though have to believe if they had just named the group 'broheems' that young would be in w/ them also). several others in twice, usually group + solo like neil young though two are in as members of two groups - sammy strain for o'jays and little anthony & the imperials and stephen stills for buffalo springfield and csn (god help us if he gets in for solo).

Garth Brooks for Garth Brooks and Chris Gaines?

Sammy Hagar for Montrose, solo and Van Halen!

If this were the UK Rock Hall, there'd already be all sorts of dudes like Paul Weller in there, like, three or more times.

lol Alfred

Be awesome if Brooks accepted but Gaines snubbed it.

Sammy Hagar for Montrose, solo and Van Halen!

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, October 7, 2012 4:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he deserves it for one of those, and its not solo or VH

i know this is like the most obvious thing to say ever but this whole thing is such bullshit, worse than the oscars even.