ILX decides the Poll. 70s Rock Poll vs 70s all genre poll.

plus you could have an all genre poll and just vote for stuff that rocks regardless. it would be the same thing

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I think there is a third option, which is a poll of music which rocks, whether or not it is rock (a poll which would also end up excluding some rock). However, I mostly lean in that direction because I don't like that much rock to begin with.

yeah i love rem and maybe wouldn't have been annoyed at seeing them pop up somewhere (would've rmde but whatever) but fables is arguably the least rocking album they made in the 80s.

the 3rd option is kinda what we were aiming for. I just didn't realise the 70s canon was more engrained in ilxors than an 80s one which has led to some wanting an all genre poll to re-affirm their favourites.

Look A_G I don't really have the ability to discern between what rocks and doesn't rock. I am a bit of an asperger type apparently. I try my best but sometimes fall short. The lack of ciggies didnt help either!

Don't see any point in an all-genre poll given we've already done that; the only decade that hasn't been polled is the 00s I think. I'd suggest being strict with whatever subjective criteria you come up with. No Loaded, no Steve Reich, no Can.

There was no arguments over Can! Everyone accepted them.

I agree with Seandalai, none of those things rock, at least not to my ears. I go by gut instinct on these things though.

It was arguments over stuff like Rolling Stones, Bob Seger, Springsteen, VU - Loaded. And some just wanted a poll that wasn't just rock

yeah some wanted shuggie otis and john martyn, comus.
so this poll can decide what we do rather than wasting a noms thread.

the all-time polls were a top 100 iirc so a much larger rollout would mean everyone was happy having their fave albums in the spotlight. I refer to what balls said earlier

would love to see something similar to this for the 70s, maybe ease anti-rolling stone canonicity a little but tighten RAWK parameters. i think if results were around top 400 the multitude of zeppelin and sabbath wouldn't be quite as anticlimactic.

that could apply to either poll really re the canon albums

I like the idea of non-rock stuff being included so long as it has rocking qualities, the third option basically. Fwiw I'd say yes to the Stones, Seger and Comus and no to the others - Springsteen is a tougher one, maybe not his first two albums but Darkness on the Edge of Town rocks a fair bit.

I loved the 80's poll once I got into it but I'm going to vote for all-genre for 70s because I am still a pathetic mainstreamer at heart

This poll provides a beautiful opportunity to mine the pre-Carducci aesthetic. Let's not turn it into "man, the '70s sure had a lot of great records!"

Can rocks, you dicks

I vote for a 70s R&B poll

I was thinking a top 800 goth tracks poll would be awesome, but there needs to be a way of avoiding the top 350 being entirely made up of songs by the cure

so that's my write in vote who's with me

Don't see any point in an all-genre poll given we've already done that; the only decade that hasn't been polled is the 00s I think. I'd suggest being strict with whatever subjective criteria you come up with.

Basically agree with this. I like the idea of a 'music that rocks' poll or basically another hard/heavy/noisy rock poll (how I saw the other one). I just didn't think the boundaries were as clear with this one. One thing that really helped with the 80s poll is that you started out in the OP with quite a bit of detail as to what would be included (all metal, including pop-metal; only the heavier or noisier end of indie rock, with several examples of bands that fit and bands that didn't; punk, as long as it wasn't too poppy; a list of other things that wouldn't fit). In this case, we had to extrapolate from the 80s poll, which is harder to do. Plus, the emphasis on 'anti-RS' in the title (instead of 'albums that rocks') might have been confusing.

Whatever gets decided Comus needs to be eligible b/c Comus are as evil heavy as evil heavy gets without a drum kit on the premises.

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ILX 70s album poll - results
TURN THIS MUTHA OUT! It's the Alternate 1970s Albums Poll on ILX — Results Thread

Can someone tattoo this across my back?

no point in running a poll if you exclude stuff.

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:09 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jf clearly in favour of an all-genre poll then

Maybe you could only exclude the 201 albums that placed in the previous two polls.

I think it kind of goes against the ilm spirit to patrol genre borders too zealously, but on the other hand there's no point in running the poll if it just throws up a slightly shuffled version of previous polls. So I skew towards "70s Rock Poll", but let the voters decide what they think fits.

I was quite skeptical of the parameters for the 80s one but it turned out totally amazing. just do the same.

70s RAWK!

rock

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

poll: the poll

well unless all the trolls/lurkers vote all-time poll it seems the rock poll is going to win out.

Who are the trolls/lurkers?

Where do we get to vote for a moratorium on all these fucking polls? I mean for fuck's sake, now we're polling what kind of polls to have?

i said this on the mod req thread but seriously, you are doing the heavy lifting so i dont give a shit how the votes turn out, do the poll you want to do, which is a rock poll. bunches of people thought that the 80s poll was going to be boring or whatever, and then totally dug the results, this will be the same, crazy and unpredictable and fun.

xpost maybe you should start a poll about that. actually please dont.

I was enjoying this until some dick started singling me out for personalised digs. I think I will stick to end of year lists from now on.

i wasnt talking about you

Sorry. I am prone to anger as I have not had a cigarette in 5 days. I will be better after some sleep.

no worries. Good luck with giving it up!

ha so basically this is something to point timellison to when he comes along to pretend he doesn't understand in what way do judas priest rock more than jackson browne

― balls, Friday, October 5, 2012 1:24 PM (6 hours ago)

How about this one for ya? Shoes used Marshall half stacks and had crunch and power and Television used Fender Super Reverbs. Case closed.

Well if we're determining what rocks based on equipment than ELP is the most rockingest band that ever played.

I won't link them but look at the promo videos for "Too Late" and "Tomorrow Night" on youtube and tell me I'm wrong.

On the other poll, I was mostly wondering if people were determining more about what doesn't rock based on equipment.

While I'm at it, here's the other thing that's sticking in my craw a little. Roxy Music is OK but "new wave is out." As with the Shoes issue, I actually think there's some merit to including Roxy on the basis of heaviness, but then you get down to the question of which new wave bands were heavier and which ones were lighter. Even a group like A Flock of Seagulls - I think about what kind of amps they might have used, how hard their drummer played, etc.

How about this one for ya? Shoes used Marshall half stacks and had crunch and power and Television used Fender Super Reverbs. Case closed.

While I'm all for poll-runner-as-dictator model of ballot polling (jjj otm), the rationale behind excluding Big Star & Shoes from this particular 1970s rock poll is wha.. actually, nevermind.

then vote for an alltime poll and you can vote for anything from the 70s

Why don't you just include them? Or at least include Shoes, who were heavy. And the Knack, who had a pretty shredding lead guitarist.

Hey AG, you can exclude Shoes, Big Star & really whatever you goddam well please & I would still rather do the rock poll b/c, even if some ppl see yr strictures as arbitrary, in the end we'll end up with a long, unique list of shit to choose amongst & you'll run it down from like #433 or whatever & it will be fun, just like the 1980s poll was. Just do yr thing, man. This is ilm, we do what we want!

first off, AG I said this to you in private, but I think you're fucking nuts for committing to do two more polls so soon afterwards; not in a 'clean your messes' sense, just more in a 'guh!' sense. crut reminded me upthread that I was actually going to persuade you to do an all-time funk poll but I don't know how many ballots it would get, but w/e do what you do...

I feel like the problem that has happened is that as the 80s poll, esp the albums part, gained more and more attention from non-participants, due to its unexpected and/or batshit results, more people are trying to take part in this, coming in kind of unaware that not only was the 80s poll nominations process nothing but AG using the mighty veto wherever and whenever (to the point of jeopardizing key friendships of his) but that that ended up being one of the major point of interests for the participants: AG scribbling lines between "rock" and "non-rock" in what seemed like an arbitrary manner generated a suitable amount of dramatic tension, because nobody knew what results to expect. And what meager expectations we came up with were confounded--NOBODY expected Big Black to take both 80s polls.

ok that post was kind of ridiculous and long winded; sorry bout that

also think that 80s poll success may have been due to it being top 400 as opposed to top 100 so would very much argue for a huge results list again. somehow just having it in the runner up tally at the end isn't the same.

BINGO

See in a tracks poll Saturday Nights All Right For Fighting or Crazy Horses or Devil Woman or Rock On totally belong.

mother's Finest would get in under funk rock tbh. Very much in the Funkadelic lineage.

Anyone want to try persuade Scott,chuck and others to join in?

Anti Parochial Music Press 70's Rock Poll? How long to you guys re-open the nomination thread? I have dug up a few albums I would love to nominate.

well if the rest of us can get together on FB or something just now and get something done tonight then I can start a new thread as soon as i can.

xpost - nominate 'into the void: ilx 70s rawk poll - metal, punk, buttrock, acid burnouts, aor and more. rip lester bangs' for poll title!

Really like this one.

we can discuss that too. sund4r any of these guys on your fb?

That is a well cool title!

I could help you w/the nominations. I'm also far more conversant w/the 80s than the 70s, but I have a few things in mind.

just need to get your FB then. I emailed edward with the username i have.

or webmail me your email addy and i'll get back to you

Tracks poll please!

not enough time passed between 80s rock monster poll and the sequel. i'm kinda burnt out on rock polls at the moment or else i would've considered casting a ballot. if a 90s equivalent happens in a month or 2 i'm dtf.

in case anyone cares.

hellhouse you didnt give me your email in webmail.

there is no way to contact you or find you

we've sorted most things out so the nominations should start tonight

Cool. Is the existing thread just getting unlocked? I thought we made a decent start and maybe even fuckwits like me are a bit more in tune to the poll now! I swear someone hacked my account. Honest I never nommed Pink Moon ;)

nah a new one with a new name. And we will need to play hardball with some stuff. So no nick drake folk (and i love that stuff)

I think im gonna allow guitar based funk like Slave,isleys just because it usually gets overlooked. Why? because its my poll!

the way i discussed it with the others was "its the equivalent of industrial in the 80s poll" it will all be like the 200+ mark but hey!

but will make the results a wee bit weirder along with the nww/slapp happy type stuff

also i think im less likely to veto obscure stuff as long as a good case is made. Which is what chuck is great at.

and the shoes will be allowed. the heavier end of power pop as tim asked for.

nominate 'into the void: ilx 70s rawk poll - metal, punk, buttrock, acid burnouts, aor and more. rip lester bangs'

This has to be the title, its fucking beautiful.

that can be its subtext!

1967-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll! Nominations ! (ends Oct 15)