2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees are in and...

laura nyro was just inducted i don't see why PJ harvey is an impossibility

Nyro was inducted after being eligible for 20 years, at which point the bones of the late '60s were being picked pretty dry. And I'll be kinda surprised if they start honoring cult heroes of the '90s like they did ones of the '60s. I guess I can revive this thread in 2036 to say "I told you so" but I'm gonna feel terrible if either of you guys are dead.

I'm not sure about this, but my guess is that Nyro was inducted more as a songwriter than a performer...but I think there's some kind of HOF for songwriters, too, which is why I'm not sure.

yeah it's no lock. but i think there's some nexus of longrunning career/being a woman/being from england/iconic of the "alt rock" movement/playing guitar/respectable blues/led zep influences in early stuff that might make her more likely than not with the rolling stone voting bloc type ppl

yeah, i realize that invariably a LOT will change about the HOF institution and its membership over the next decade or two. my point still stands that jaymc including her in the litany of multi-platinum arena rockers is funny, though.

at which point the bones of the late '60s were being picked pretty dry

They're STILL picking them dry if the Paul Butterfield Blues Band and Procol Harum nomination is any indication. And it is.

I'm not sure about this, but my guess is that Nyro was inducted more as a songwriter than a performer...but I think there's some kind of HOF for songwriters, too, which is why I'm not sure.

The RnRHoF's categories are performer, sideman, early influence, and non-performer. They're all kind of loose; Freddie King was inducted as an "early influence" despite his recorded debut (as a leader) coming in 1960. Songwriters and business folks are lumped in under "non-performer," hence Syd Nathan rubbing shoulders with Doc Pomus. "Sideman" includes producers now.

Nyro was inducted as a performer.

i found some rrhof website that had a list of artists who've been nominated and not made it, and how many times they were nominated. also listed who was on nomination committee each year. anyhow by and large if you make the nominations you're very very very likely to eventually get in, esp if nominated multiple times. there are some exceptions - gram parsons was nominated three times and didn't get in and hasn't been nominated in a while - but by and large if you're on that ballot enough you get in. two huge exceptions to this: donna summer, who's been nominated like six or seven times, and chic, who've been nominated like seven or eight times. can't blame nominating committee, there's a definite anti-disco bias in the electorate. curious to see how rush does, i could imagine them facing more resistance from committee than electorate; you've had artists in the past who somehow never got nominated for years and then first time nominated get elected.

Who the fuck is Laura Nyro

bill she was a stone fox with the voice of an angel

she co-wrote all sabbaths best songs and kicked Christgau in the nuts for his bad reviews

she wrote Stoned Soul Picnic, Bill! STONED SOUL PICNIC.

She also wrote this which is a stone classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMhWQgkZ8c

Who the fuck is Laura Nyro

― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, October 5, 2012 4:30 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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"Ay whodduh fuck ah you, pal? You betta shut the fuck up about my mudduh"

by 2036 we can only hope the RRHOF in cleveland is a parking lot and the induction ceremony is staged in dave marsh's nursing-home room simulcast on cable access.

Objection, we do not need more surface parking in Cleveland. We can sink it into the lake and create an artificial reef. Great Lakes Science Center is right next door so it will be perfect.

Donna Summer, Chic, all fair enough but if disco acts are eligible/credible/rock and roll enough for this now, when are disco's two biggest/best selling acts Boney M and Modern Talking eligible?

― Siegbran, Friday, October 5, 2012 2:47 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you know the Hall of Fame is located in America, right

― some dude, Friday, October 5, 2012 2:49 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I lol'd

I have never even heard of Modern Talking. Boney M never had a hit in America iirc

oh wait one of their songs reached No. 30 once. wow

Some dude, I cede your point about the incongruity of including PJ Harvey w/the arena rockers.

But as M@tt suggests, she's more than just a "cult hero of the '90s" -- it's not like she's the British Liz Phair. The fact that she's been around for 20 years now and is still making critically acclaimed/"important" records counts for something. Ditto the blues lineage. I see similarities to someone like Patti Smith.

i found some rrhof website that had a list of artists who've been nominated and not made it, and how many times they were nominated.

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/previously_considered.php

So basically, the artists who've been nominated 3+ times w/o getting inducted: Chic (7), Chuck Willis (6), Donna Summer (5), Joe Tex (4), Ben E. King (3), J. Geils Band (3), and Gram Parsons (3).

Always thought it odd that J. Geils Band got so much nomination love, but I basically only know them as the band that did "Centerfold."

I see similarities to someone like Patti Smith.

^^yeah that's a perfect comparison

better overall career than patti smith too

For a while there, J. Geils Band was like the band for the pre-Boss set. If anything, "Centerfield" was the end of that run.

Good for Rush. I wonder who would give their introduction speech? Would they participate in the night-ending jam? Would we get, like, Steven Tyler singer Tom Sawyer with, like, Chuck D. interjecting?

pj harvey's not as never gonna happen as husker du or pavement but it should be noted that borderline or cult acts that got in like laura nyro or tom waits or leonard cohen or patti smith were super super familiar to boomers. jann wenner has heard an album by all of them. he has a take on all of them. it will take substantive change in makeup of nominating committee and electorate for someone like pj harvey to have a shot in hell.

i mean you guys realize that roxy music and t rex have never even been nominated right?

Laura Nyro is in the Songwriters Hall of Fame too. Inducted 2010. The Rock Hall put her in as a performer last year.

pj harvey's not as never gonna happen as husker du or pavement

Husker Du and Pavement both fail the Sonic Youth question: are you more significant than Sonic Youth, whom the HOF has shown no desire to even nominate? With PJ Harvey I wouldn't necessarily assume the answer was no.

This was the second poll I ever put up on here:

The Bert Blyleven Poll

My own feeling, stated then and still, is that Sonic Youth and Husker Du will both eventually be in there. (Within 10-15 years, say.) I didn't include Pavement in the poll, which was mostly based on Azerrad's book, but my guess is that they'd follow at some point. PJ Harvey, I don't know, because of the American tilt. If it were a straight rock-critic's HOF, she'd make it for sure.

Yeah, I agree with the results of that poll, tbh.

at which point the bones of the late '60s were being picked pretty dry

They're STILL picking them dry if the Paul Butterfield Blues Band and Procol Harum nomination is any indication. And it is.

So, if the baby boom had happened in the 50s, 80s, 90s or 00s, who would be the Paul Butterfield and Procol Harum worthy of a HoF nomination.

Not sure if I've ever heard PBBB, but I'm thinking their stature is somewhere around that of Hot Hot Heat from the last decade.

An interesting take:

Thing is, there are plenty of respected '80s and '90s bands that actually sold records to choose from, even if they weren't as good as most bands above. Like, I'd expect Los Lobos (who were better than some bands up above) and Jane's Addiction and Pearl Jam and Soundgarden to have a better shot than Sonic Youth, Huskers, X, etc. Hell, maybe even Living Colour and Midnight Oil have a better shot.

― xhuxk, Monday, May 4, 2009 12:20 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Like, is that true? I mean, Pearl Jam for sure. The others, I dunno! I kind of expect SY would trump most of the bands on seniority alone. Los Lobos is a weird one to consider -- because I know critics *loved* Los Lobos back in the day, but I seriously have never met a single person who listens to Los Lobos.

I'm white btw

Yeah, I think Chuck's off there. Pearl Jam, yes. But Los Lobos was a big critical thing for one album--and, commercially, they won't go into the HOF for a big-selling cover of a 30-year-old song. The rest of those bands, especially Living Color and Midnight Oil, seem like complete non-starters to me.

I listen to Los Lobos!

Not that that alone gets them into the HoF, of course

Not alone, no, but it might just get them past the finish line. (Kidding, VG!)

lol

no i think xhuxk otm there - pearl jam and soundgarden are locks (soundgarden might not get in as soon as eligible or nominated but they'll go in for sure), jane's addiction have a pretty strong shot imo - lollapalooza founding pretty big.

los lobos are borderline but at the same time members of husker du and sonic youth haven't been on dylan and paul simon albums.

Forgot about Lollapalooza...so maybe they'll go into the builder's wing, along with the guy who invented the 8-Track? (I was actually thinking that the Paul Butterfield Blues Band's strongest argument was their backing Dylan at the Newport '65 show.)

Butterfield had the first jam band!

xp - the 8-track cartridge was developed by Lear Jet, of all companies. Now there's two ways LearJet could get in the Rock and Roll HOF

Husker Du and Pavement both fail the Sonic Youth question: are you more significant than Sonic Youth, whom the HOF has shown no desire to even nominate? With PJ Harvey I wouldn't necessarily assume the answer was no.

― Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Saturday, October 6, 2012 12:40 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha u still crazy! of course pj harvey isn't more significant than sonic youth in HOF type terms! i mean there are a lot of great acts whose accomplishments aren't a hill of beans to the hall of fame, and she is so clearly one of them imo. if they DO start nominating '90s alt-rock acts who never had a gold record, i'm not really sure who'd be at the front of the line but i have no idea why it'd be her.

My friend works for a booker that books L0s L0b0s once a year or so and says those guys still party like they are 25. Also some friend of hers has this friend that always bugs the crap out of her for a backstage pass & tickets and then goes backstage and gives the main dude from los lobos a bj while her husband mills around backstage
She says they always have to kick LL out of the venue at like 3am cuz they don't want to stop drinking & getting wasted

So I guess what I'm saying is they have my vote

How Will the Wolf Get a Nut?

http://991.com/newgallery/Los-Lobos-Colossal-Head-478081.jpg

looool

This might not mean anything HOF-wise, but there are only seven artists who've placed in the Pazz and Jop top 5 albums five times or more:

Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Elvis Costello, Bruce Springsteen, Talking Heads, Radiohead, PJ Harvey

If upper miss' story is true, then no wonder Los Lobos fucked themselves out of songwriting credit on Graceland.