Nominations for a 70s 'Anti-Rolling Stone Canon ' style Albums Poll

from the intro to stairway to hell:

"Basically, I include all (decent) loud-guitar squashing-ears-like-bugs brain-damamge that could conceivably (theoretically) appeal to a heavy metal audience, not just observers-of-arbitrary-dress-code already accepted by said crowd. Everybody else's definition changes annually, I decided, so the only sensible way to handle the predicament was to make eligible for Stairway To Hell all extant wax that would've been considered metal at any time in HM's elongated life span, whether said wax was considered metal at the time of releae or not. The only exception was the Rolling stones, who cannot be heavy metal because, well, they're the Rolling Stones. And so are the Clash."

Is stuff like Steely Dan + Randy Newman allowed in this poll?

Cheap Trick - Heaven Tonight
The Clash - Give 'Em Enough Rope
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Cosmo's Factory
Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick
Led Zeppelin - Presence
Little Feat - Feats Don't Fail Me Now
Patti Smith - Horses
Peter Frampton - Frampton Comes Alive!
Queen - Queen
Thin Lizzy - Vagabonds Of The Western World
War - All Day Music

Gotta admit that so far this poll makes less intuitive sense to me than the 80s poll. I love Television but they were mostly basically jangle-rock with jams, not very heavy or noisy. In fact, I've always seen them as a precursor to REM and jangly indie. Have trouble seeing the rationale for including them but not Talking Heads or Blondie. Springsteen and the Stones probably rocked harder (although I like Television more than 70s Heads, Blondie, or Springsteen.) I'd say similar things about Loaded (except that I've never liked it much): it's a pretty mellow folk-rock-ish record imo. Why is there even a question about the Stones?

Yes is another one of my all-time favourite bands but much of what they did is pretty light/soft. Why is Pink Floyd borderline if Yes and ELP are in? Does Genesis count? Or would Nursery Cryme count but not The Lamb? Van der Graaf Generator? I get that King Crimson, Rush, and Queen should fit. Tull and Heep too.

these arent artist polls k3vin

I thought genre polls were covered in that thread too?

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(croup: I thought of the 80s poll in terms of Eddy's definition of metal/Carducci's definition of rock.)

Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson
Miles Davis - Agharta
Miles Davis - Pangaea
Miles Davis - Dark Magus

yeah i'm trying to come up with nominees and it's hard to see a logical through-line here between what is and isn't allowed, beyond just sort of desiring an alternative canon

Miles Davis - Big Fun And nobody tell me it isn't a proper album cos as far as I am concerned it is !

maybe it should just be an anti-Rolling Stones canon where everybody remotely rock except the Rolling Stones are allowed in

Good call iglu on the Italian prog!

AC/DC - Powerage
Alphataurus - Alphataurus
Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Darwin!
Big Star - Radio City
Blue Öyster Cult - Agents of Fortune
King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic
King Crimson - Red
Motörhead - Overkill
Mott the Hoople - The Hoople
Queen - Queen II
Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks
Slade - Slayed?
T. Rex - Electric Warrior
T. Rex - Tanx
Toto - Toto
ZZ Top - Tres Hombres

Have to confess I wasn't sure about the Big Star, much as I love it. What do people think?

here are the top 100 for the 2 previous '70s albums polls ILM has done:

ILX 70s album poll - results

TURN THIS MUTHA OUT! It's the Alternate 1970s Albums Poll on ILX — Results Thread

So all of those bands should be excluded, right?

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What about Fahey/Basho/Roy Harper?

Canned Heat/John Lee Hooker - Hooker 'n Heat
The Byrds - Untitled
The Flying Burrito Brothers - Burrito Deluxe
Shoes - Black Vinyl Shoes
Big Star - #1 Record
Big Star - Radio City
Hawkwind - Hall of the Mountain Grill
The Undertones - s/t
Bob Seger - Mongrel
Bob Seger - Seven
Bob Seger - Night Moves
Julie Driscoll/Brian Auger & The Trinity - Streetnoise
Death - ...For the Whole World to See
Goblin - Goblin-

I don't think it's a big deal about noms - even if blondie is nominated they're likely to suffer the fate the pretenders did in the 80s poll

television's an interesting one, but they are way more guitar-focused than most of the folks they influenced, they were pretty clearly a rock band

I love fahey but don't see how he fits here

what held together the last poll was extremity - the non-rock bands were pursuing some sort of extreme vision of wild abandon, it's why einsturzende neubauten or ministry made sense

anyway not everything is going to line up 100%, who cares

AG is just trying to avoid results littered with dylan and randy newman albums

yeah i hate when things are "littered" with masterpieces

one man's masterpiece is another man's fuck randy newman

how's Warren Zevon looking for this? is any lyric-centered solo artist just off limits?

One last question! Can you nom albums by bands like Crime and The Electric Eels who never released an album in their lifetime in the 70's but retrospective albums were put together 10-20 years later.

Likewise the Pagans

The logic behind the distinctions just doesn't seem as clear to me as it did with the 80s poll, where it made sense right away. It could be me or it could be the poll.

(70s Springsteen does seem more rock to me than 80s Springsteen.)

I'm guessing this is how Tim felt about the other poll.

seems fair. static age by the misfits was recorded in '78, finalized for release, and then didn't get put out until '97. it's obv a 70s record tho.

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Crime - San Francisco's Doomed
The Electric Eels - God Says Fuck You

(70s Springsteen does seem more rock to me than 80s Springsteen.)

yeah but would you call him hard rock? was he extreme? badass attitude? make you wanna say fuck you? do you really want born to run in this poll?

in that case, would this be allowed?

Screamers ‎– In A Better World

i'm not really gung ho about doing a tracks poll, but if we did that would probably be the best place to represent certain artist ("Adam Raised A Cain" for Springsteen etc.)

Debris - Static Disposal

screamers would be a lock I think

Pagans - Buried Alive

Destroy All Monsters - Bored

Yeah!!!

I mean that's the type of stuff we should be wracking our brains for instead of wondering which springsteen album to nom

Screamers ‎– In A Better World
Nurse With Wound - Chance Meeting On A Dissecting Table Of A Sewing Machine And An Umbrella
Budgie - In For The Kill

sad it took so long to name this one

Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny

Death ‎– ...For The Whole World To See

Wishbone Ash - Argus

Rocket From The Tombs - The Day The Earth Met The Rocket From The Tombs
Serge Gainsbourg - Histoire De Melody Nelson
Dennis Wilson - Pacific Ocean Blue
Slapp Happy - Acnalbasac Noom

yeah but would you call him hard rock? was he extreme? badass attitude? make you wanna say fuck you? do you really want born to run in this poll?

But I wouldn't say those things about Marquee Moon or Loaded either, Fragile even.

I'll need time to think about this.

Johnny Moped Band - Cycledelic

lou reed always makes me wanna say fuck you

Lots of middling art-rock nominated so far... I love a lot of it, but this thread definitely needs more balls-out rock. More when I'm not on my phone's browser...

I'll nominate some things though, so you know I'm not just trolling:

AC/DC - Jailbreak '74
Boston - s/t
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
Rush - A Farewell to Kings
Siouxsie and the Banshees - The Scream
Styx - Pieces of Eight
Styx - The Grand Illusion

I'm with sund4r a bit as well on having confusion over the parameters. I think almost no postpunk belongs here, but I can't really articulate why right now.

Magma - MDK

seconding the VDGG ones. also would like to add H to He there

I wasn't around for the debates over the parameters (imagine in Robert Ashley's voice) of the last poll, but I just sort of assumed that in saying "music that rocks" you were using in a Chuck Eddy sort of sense, with an emphasis on rhythm/rhythmic drive, which is the only way it really makes much sense to me. All the stuff about extremity seems too broad and diffuse. On the other hand, the last poll ended up being so much fun that maybe the lesson is it doesn't matter what the theoretical underpinnings of the poll are. Maybe if "hard" and "heavy" were in the poll title. I don't know. Of course this time around "music that rocks" isn't even in the thread title.

Yellow Magic Orchestra - Solid State Survivor
Throbbing Gristle - 20 Jazz Funk Greats
Steve Reich - Music For 18 Musicians
Nick Drake - Pink Moon
John Martyn - Solid Air