2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees are in and...

So are they actually going to vote for Rush this time or are they going to continue to keep us waiting?

don't a lot of acts get nominated a few times before getting in? i feel like this is just the first indication that the deep freeze has thawed, but it'll still be a few years before Rush actually get in.

Really hope Kraftwerk gets in and I think they might. PE has always been a lock and deserve it. Feel like Rush's time had come with the recent doc which runs all the time on vh1 classic....meters rule, hope they make it & donna

Also I know ppl think there's too much dino rock in there already, but ffs Deep Purple fucking belongs....blackmore alone changed the course of metal lead playing and they are a killer unit

NWA will have to wait, can't see two in one year

dude you joined Rush YEARS ago, like maybe 95?

Hahah true, that.

Deep Purple fucking belongs....blackmore alone changed the course of metal lead playing and they are a killer unit

Hey, don't forget Jon Lord either! And with his recent passing, assume sympathy vote.

Maybe if NWA gets in they'll bring along Eazy in an urn like Monty Python did w/Graham Chapman at that comedy festival thi

wld vote Randy Newman, Kraftwerk, the Meters, Public Enemy, Albert King

geez, if they're gonna nominate a band with Joan Jett, at least make it the Runaways

Vote Rush and Purple. Dont give a flying fuck about the other artists. or the Hall of Fame, for that matter.

Thanks Bill!

Joan Jett solo > Runaways

it always amuses me how people quibble over the emphasis on commercial success in the rnr hall of FAME

<i>Joan Jett solo > Runaways</i>

This is OTM 1000%

Geddy Lee stood in front of my friend in the concessions line when we saw Looper tonight. (I was over getting coffee, so I missed it.) So yes, into the HOF he goes.

Was his voice high or did he speak like an ordinary guy

I think he used the "Temples of Syrinx" voice when he asked for extra butter. (Like I say, I was over getting coffee. Coincidentally, he and his family walked into a steakhouse I was at a few months ago. He may be stalking me, for reasons that are thus far unclear.)

I don't know all the nominated names, but the only 'new' names on the list (as in, the only names new to the list due to it being 25 years since they debuted) are NWA and Public Enemy, right? I find that kinda funny, that only rap-names from that year are worthy of inclusion (though Pixies debuted at that time as well). In a few years, we'll hit the grunge-years, and we should be ready to hear about the 'genious' of Nirvana and Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins, but after that, like, five years from now, there is simply no rock-names worthy. Who are they going to nominate? Creed? Limp Bizkit? It will all be rap and old people.

white stripes? the strokes? radiohead?

Sub in Foo Fighters for the Strokes.

Although I guess if the point that there's not much rock in the immediate post-grunge era, I think that's true. These are probably the top rock candidates for the next 15 years:

2017: Radiohead
2020: Foo Fighters, Wilco
2023: Coldplay
2024: White Stripes

2013: Nirvana
2014: Green Day
2015: Smashing Pumpkins
2016: Pearl Jam, PJ Harvey

Most likely candidates for 2018-19 are probably Dave Matthews Band, Weezer, Oasis -- and I don't really see any of those happening.

lmao @ pj harvey

Well, she's certainly not as big as any of the other acts I mentioned, but she's right in the R&R HOF wheelhouse. Dudes like Greil Marcus love her. Seems like someone who'd get nominated, even if she doesn't make it in.

there's like 800 modest-selling critical darlings in line ahead of her, though

i mean "Nirvana, Green Day, Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, PJ Havey" is just a hilarious 'one of these things is not like the others' sequence

Donna Summer, Chic, all fair enough but if disco acts are eligible/credible/rock and roll enough for this now, when are disco's two biggest/best selling acts Boney M and Modern Talking eligible?

you know the Hall of Fame is located in America, right

Heart, Kraftwerk, Meters, Public Enemy, Rush if I were king.

Well if Abba is in...

Abba's huge in America. Modern Talking have never had a gold record or even a charting single in America.

Can't pin that one on Marsh; he loved them

haha – no he didn't

when are disco's two biggest/best selling acts Boney M and Modern Talking eligible?

^literally have never heard of either of these artists.

his entry on "Over You" in his singles book is five hundred words of condescension and nose-holding.

...wherein he talked about how much he dug "Do The Strand" and "Over You" (hence it's placement in the book).

Which is to say, if Roxy's being kept out, Marsh wouldn't/couldn't be the single deciding factor (certainly not anywhere close to the extent that he's keeping Kiss out).

He discussed how much "Do The Strand" and "Over You" were exceptions in a "dessicated" (I think that was the word) catalog.

Donna Summer might get sympathy votes.

xp I took it as more that he was (in a shoehorny way) equating Roxy with, say, King Crimson, and positing those two songs as exceptions to "art rock," rather than exceptions in Roxy's catalog.

you know the Hall of Fame is located in America, right

A key point. A British HOF would have some noticeable differences--T. Rex, Slade, the Jam, Nick Drake, etc.

laura nyro was just inducted i don't see why PJ harvey is an impossibility

Nyro was inducted after being eligible for 20 years, at which point the bones of the late '60s were being picked pretty dry. And I'll be kinda surprised if they start honoring cult heroes of the '90s like they did ones of the '60s. I guess I can revive this thread in 2036 to say "I told you so" but I'm gonna feel terrible if either of you guys are dead.

I'm not sure about this, but my guess is that Nyro was inducted more as a songwriter than a performer...but I think there's some kind of HOF for songwriters, too, which is why I'm not sure.

yeah it's no lock. but i think there's some nexus of longrunning career/being a woman/being from england/iconic of the "alt rock" movement/playing guitar/respectable blues/led zep influences in early stuff that might make her more likely than not with the rolling stone voting bloc type ppl

yeah, i realize that invariably a LOT will change about the HOF institution and its membership over the next decade or two. my point still stands that jaymc including her in the litany of multi-platinum arena rockers is funny, though.

at which point the bones of the late '60s were being picked pretty dry

They're STILL picking them dry if the Paul Butterfield Blues Band and Procol Harum nomination is any indication. And it is.

I'm not sure about this, but my guess is that Nyro was inducted more as a songwriter than a performer...but I think there's some kind of HOF for songwriters, too, which is why I'm not sure.

The RnRHoF's categories are performer, sideman, early influence, and non-performer. They're all kind of loose; Freddie King was inducted as an "early influence" despite his recorded debut (as a leader) coming in 1960. Songwriters and business folks are lumped in under "non-performer," hence Syd Nathan rubbing shoulders with Doc Pomus. "Sideman" includes producers now.

Nyro was inducted as a performer.

i found some rrhof website that had a list of artists who've been nominated and not made it, and how many times they were nominated. also listed who was on nomination committee each year. anyhow by and large if you make the nominations you're very very very likely to eventually get in, esp if nominated multiple times. there are some exceptions - gram parsons was nominated three times and didn't get in and hasn't been nominated in a while - but by and large if you're on that ballot enough you get in. two huge exceptions to this: donna summer, who's been nominated like six or seven times, and chic, who've been nominated like seven or eight times. can't blame nominating committee, there's a definite anti-disco bias in the electorate. curious to see how rush does, i could imagine them facing more resistance from committee than electorate; you've had artists in the past who somehow never got nominated for years and then first time nominated get elected.

Who the fuck is Laura Nyro

bill she was a stone fox with the voice of an angel

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The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class of 2013: Rush, Public Enemy, Heart, Randy Newman, Donna Summer and Albert King: http://rol.st/YXkVG4

Will pay money to see Rush doing "I Feel Love."

Heart does Black Steel In The Hour Of Chaos

DONNA SUMMER

Hahah Geddy's taking it all in stride:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/geddy-lee-on-rushs-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-induction-well-show-up-smiling-20121211

Oy, Randy Newman.

DONNA SUMMER!

three all time greats (Newman, Summer, P.E.), good news

RUSH
RUSH
RUSH
RUSH

so happy rn

Seriously, this is the best list in years.

otm

very cool list! all well deserved....geddy is such a nice guy, that interview is cute

"we're nice Canadian boys, of course we'll show up" - so great

he's right though, it's kind of a bummer that the Purps didn't get in too

Still wish the Meters and Chic had gotten in.

chic will get in eventually i bet

Tarfumes OTM. A great class all around.

Pretty rotten of them to wait until Donna Summer had died before inducting her.

donna "ron santo" summer

Love this photo on the AV Club site:
http://media.avclub.com/images/420/420028/16x9/627.jpg

chic will get in eventually i bet

I'd like to think so, but man, they're 0 for 7 so far.

y'know, dave marsh's influence on this process has been widely noted. So is it not strange then that the MC5 ain't in? does Jann hold a grudge, and landau hasn't yet smoothed that out?

Todd Rundgren should go in. Nazz, at least one masterpiece (Something/Anything), arguably two or three more, a few perfect singles, produced the first Dolls album and Badfinger's Straight Up. Lots else.

Sparks first two records

no room for rundgren or chic or thin lizzy or war when red hot chili peppers need display space.

Their socks don't take up that much room tho.

Wire should have their own wing, but they will never even come close to getting in.

Would definitely endorse Wire, but right, no chance. I'm not sure if another first-generation British punk band will get in after the Sex Pistols and the Clash. Speaking half-subjectively and half-objectively, I'd put in Wire, X-Ray Spex, maybe the Buzzcocks, and maybe the Mekons.

y'know, dave marsh's influence on this process has been widely noted. So is it not strange then that the MC5 ain't in? does Jann hold a grudge, and landau hasn't yet smoothed that out?

― veronica moser, Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:12 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wondered that myself. I think the fact that the Grateful Dead are in and the 5 are not answers the question about how much influence Marsh has. I think as one member of the nominating/voting(?) committee, there's only so much sway he can hold (ditto Landau lambasting the rest of the committee for not inducting Donna Summer earlier).

Oy, Randy Newman.

"Sail Away" jam could be problematic

Heart bringing 70s lineup:

[Ann] Wilson says the induction is expected to include the other members of Heart's "Dreamboat Annie" lineup, including guitarist Roger Fisher, bassist Steve Fossen, drummer Michael DeRosier, and longtime guitarist-keyboardist Howard Leese, an experience she expects to be "very unusual" given the romantic entanglements and interpersonal dynamics of that time. "It'll be kind of like getting together with your old aunts and uncles who you haven't seen for 30 years," Wilson says. "We haven't really kept in touch with those guys. It's been a long time. I still live in Seattle and most of them do, too, but our paths just don't cross."

i was quite pleased, and surprised, that hbo left room for three full randy newman performances. i was floored that hbo opened the show with them: "i love l.a.," then randy's induction, then "i think it's going to rain today" and "i'm dead (but i don't know it)." that's an audience-killing 20 minutes to start the show right there. but i quite liked it.

and a question about jennifer hudson: does she actually have a recording career anymore, or does she just perform on big tv and sports events? is it legal to have such an event and not invite her onstage? i am genuinely curious about this.