Thread for Ty Dolla $ign ( Ty$ )'s "My Cabana

ay i resent that

i do actually kinda sympathise with what zvook's saying about this song but not for the first time he makes it so unpalatable in his weird autistic trench war way that i'd much rather just dig my heels in and go out and slap a bitch for the sake of it tbh ;D

seriously though i've listened to this new mixtape a few times and (regardless of ty's pervasive great ear for hooks) flipflopped somewhat between getting really into it and finding it a bit much all at once whilst still being unsure if i'd want the rough edges sanded off. his steez on the previous tape really didnt grab - and discovering the capability for affectation makes the following more unpleasant - so i have to conclude there is a frisson at play albeit an ugly one; five years ago he mightve been t-pain but now he's the weeknd and it works idk

otoh tbrr the "good heart!" "bastard!" margins are so laughably fine though that it's probably better off not listening to music altogether than wasting the time handwringing

- how did zvookster ever listen to any hip-hop before this?
- it's the second "HOOOOOOEEEEES" that pushes it over the top - like you have the first sudden passionate one cutting through the ~party smoke~ and then the second descending one is like "no i REALLY mean it"
- i initially envisaged a situation where ty$ has stockpiled all these hoooooooeees in his cabana and is feeling pretty smug about life and then he suddenly looks around and they are all talking to each other and none of them are looking at him - it has this sudden solitude about it
- kellz comparison otm
- great song

on the tape the kells vocal similarity is often uncanny

i feel like i need to obsess about this as a standalone song for a bit more before i go in on the tape

at the risk of risible fixating i also love the way he finishes up with the la di da di da da, trailing off back into the cabana smoke whistling a thoughtful tune because that is indeed the only real response to the existential meaninglessness of hooooooooooes

mad ill-advised i know but the thought occurs this would be a good one to throw in to the discussion on the frank ocean thread before it got shit again about observation and engagement etc (ctrl-f longneck)

Ha, interesting. I'd say that there are certainly similarities but also great differences, of course. Frank's detachment is always very cerebral, it's a strategy that will allow him to be personal while also playing the role of the casual observer. But Ty$ is all the more engaging for not signaling intelligence or knowingness. When he howls his mournful HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES it's as if he's an animal contemplating mortality for the first time ever. If that sounds condescending, I apologize, cause it's certainly not meant to be. Just trying to get to the bottom of the drama, which somehow hinges on the relatively trivial nature of the subject matter and the detachment of the performance. It really is one of the most genuinely dramatic and weird songs I've heard in a long time.

When he howls his mournful HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES it's as if he's an animal contemplating mortality for the first time ever.

Dude.....um

the rest of the tape makes all this icy existential shit you guys are reading into HOOOOES pretty stupid imo

Longneck, that doesn't sound condescending it sounds straight up racist

I just thought it sounded mournful I didn't really think it was real

the rest of the tape makes all this icy existential shit you guys are reading into HOOOOES pretty stupid imo

― goole, Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:24 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think this is a fine delineation but i dont think anyone is arguing that ty$ is non-misogynist or that hes actually a good person or that this stuff isn't patently offensive at a surface level, more that the song seems to function in a way that gives off this effect of existential angst -- in other words, the drama of it is a direct result of his musical choices...we're not reading something into it that isnt there

the rest of the tape makes all this icy existential shit you guys are reading into HOOOOES pretty stupid imo

this one song in isolation makes all the icy existential shit you guys* are reading into HOOOOOOES pretty stupid imo

*not you, goole

*sigh* It was totally not meant to be racist. That's what the disclaimer was for. It was meant to say something about how the melancholy intensity of the hoooooooooes is so overwhelming because it is placed in a song about how many women you can fit in a cabana. It's just too strong for the song to contain it in any reasonable way. That's where the "animal contemplating mortality" simile came from, and not, for crying out loud, because black rappers remind me of animals. It is obviously very artfully done, but the song itself comes across as more forceful the less cerebral Ty$' persona is presented as being. That's kinda the point of the video, no? It's also very RiFF RaFF-y, since we're obviously watching a performance but don't really get enough information to actually know just where the performance ends, you know? That's what's exhilirating about it. Not that RiFF RaFF has ever made anything as engaging as this, but that's the general principle of it.

it's such a contrast to the thoughtful musings of "I hate bitches wearing fake nails" and "Asian hoes like to drink sake"

no one is arguing this song isnt layers of ignorance guys.

or that b/c we think hes going thru an existential crisis that makes it 'ok' or w/e

we're just trying to explain why this song is 100x more engaging than 100 other misogynist songs

never really bought the 'this misogyny works because they make it seem fun' / 'this misogyny doesnt work because they make it seem creepy' thing. the fact that the weeknd or whoever makes misogyny seem as creepy as it is is one of his strengths imo, but thats a different debate

itt a bunch of rap nerds are no longer 16

all rap nerds are 16 at heart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IH8tNQAzSs

secret forefather

lol

infatuaaaaaaated
infatuAAAAAAAAATEEEEEEEEDD

OOO-OOOO-OOOO-OOOOOO

I really like that he sounds so unguarded when he's singing/rapping. Apart from a few blunders (that skit, the dubstep one, etc.), there is no knowing smirk or malice. It's almost as if he's singing/rapping to himself.

mixtape is one of the most relentlessly misogynistic things i've heard in a while

:(

there's really just no charm at all to the guy. i'm half listening to this on repeat because the guy is an amazing songwriter but also because i'm fascinated by how much it horrifies me.

i will say that "mohawk pussy / i mosh pit in it like a rockstar" is a fucking inspired line tho

i think "forbidden fruit" is my favorite joint on here. i love when he goes "that pusssssy sooooo gooooooood" and then the guitar solo follows the same melody

jordan otm

i've been meaning to post about this because i have been listening to it a lot, but relentless is the right word

just reads to me as weak, like he can't get over his own unease at singing one glistening white sands love jam after another so he makes them all as creeped out as possible

idk, it seems to OTT to bother me for some raeson

misogyny-as-camp or something

idk i just kinda think this early in his career he's still a bit of a poser? when the mask slips on 'infatuated' it feels genuine, "hanging on every word i say / lies, and i need to back away"

he is too talented to write off, will be interesting to see what effect the deal might have

- i initially envisaged a situation where ty$ has stockpiled all these hoooooooeees in his cabana and is feeling pretty smug about life and then he suddenly looks around and they are all talking to each other and none of them are looking at him - it has this sudden solitude about it

song is excellent, lyrics are tasteless, should be a hit. feels like if Drake stopped trying to be clever/self-aware and became the amoral party animal he's always whining about turning into

also whoever talked about "blankness" upthread was OTM tenfold

misogyny-as-camp or something

― The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:15 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

i think his delivery kinda breaks this idea down

it was worth a shot

misogyny-as-camp or something

― The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:15 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

i think his delivery kinda breaks this idea down

― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:12 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

admittedly my statement is kind of vague but how do u mean?

I don't really read any camp in his songs... his delivery seems very serious to me. And then you have things like that extended phone conversation at the end of one song... Idk

"misogyny as camp" seems like an escape lever you could pull in any discussion, frankly

i dont mean irony i mean playing it up to an extreme

its not about whether or not its OK for him to do it, nor is it supposed to be a get out of jail free card or something, hes completely vulnerable to criticisms of sexism obvi

im more trying to explain why i still listen to it w/ out being grossed out or w/e, shit is so surface level reprehensible that it registers as faintly ridiculous

I Think I Know Where D-40 Got The Farting Thing From

1. Toot It & Boot It 145 up, 15 down

When a boy or a girl has a one night stand. To hit it and quit it. Freaky people who usually sex alot of different people.

2. Toot It & Boot It 14 up, 31 down

Farting and ducking out

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, August 8, 2010 5:34 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark

WEINGARTEN

http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=2751

so much for the strength of street knowledge am i right