Thread for Ty Dolla $ign ( Ty$ )'s "My Cabana

the song, or me thinking toot it & boot it was about farting, or both? lol

The song but both really.

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

― longneck, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 1:46 PM Bookmark

^this is an otm post

It is the only thing that can keep me going these days.

the how many hooooooooooos melody line is really striking, almost mournful? really comes out of nowhere too, genuinely surprising in the track...

it's like he knows he's asking a question that can't be answered and he's sad abt the hoes

yeah totes, also possibly

i. sudden self admonishment, like how many hoooooooooes must be consumed to fill this great lack in my cold dead heart

ii. sudden empathy for the entire female gender, like how many hoooooooooes in this world that could have been doctors and nurses

In the video he's also especially sad that he could only get three hoes in his cabana. There should have been more, obviously.

http://i.imgur.com/jsQ6Q.gif

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES

but yeah for reals the sudden pathos was mainly why i felt invoking kells to be appropriate

kinda soundalike too at a borderline pinch

not surprised this guy's signed, halfway into this mixtape i'm scrambling for my imaginary chequebook too

this song is very squishy and splashy to me. very appropriate feel for a song about a cabana.

His demeanor is odd, as ppl noted he projects a real blankness, and not an affected blankness, like say a post punk thing, but just absolute nothing

it's fucking hilarious. i have to imagine it's on purpose.

yeah it's p affected imo, i'm flicking through his mixtape and some videos from last year and the vibe is surprisingly way more tryhard and muddled. most certainly not this cool blank faded cat posting fractals on his tumblr

there should be a study of ppl who imagine "surprise" as a motivator when someone notes something. i feel a common finding might be dumbness.

tbh I'm tired & too lazy to try to figure out if you're insulting me

next time just say 'deej is dumb' & u dont have to waste all that time typing up shitty convoluted zings xp

zings which could apply to 3-4 other ppl on the thread

"deej is dumb" doesn't point out to you that nothing indicated surprise, despite yr 4 or 5 posts in reply on the subject. maybe i'm wrong and i sounded really surprised, but i don't think so.

also it's a thing ppl do, not just u

regardless the misogyny here doesn't rub me the wrong way the way it does on zone'n which is more creepy, here it's OTT / funny like teh big tymers or something

like the affect they were talking about, its like hes completely numb to his stockpiling of women as commodities but then HOOOOOOOEEES cuts thru like a clarion call of existential angst

xp well surely there was a way to make your point that didnt require 4 rereads of your post & ctrl-f-ing the word 'surprise'

anyway you're wrong abt the song being bad so u can leave thank you good day

like i said i admit the appeal of the cri de coeur but to me the rest seems really banal and dour and relentlessly unpleasant, i mean there's a verse at the end and i'm like oh he's still a dead-eyed woman hater, can't wait to roll up and be a chill asshole along to this no wait i can

even all the "haha he says hoooooooes how bizarrrre" is kind of idk

i'm not even head over heels for this song but your posts are terrible right now

heaven needed a low-rent r|t|c ;_;

ay i resent that

i do actually kinda sympathise with what zvook's saying about this song but not for the first time he makes it so unpalatable in his weird autistic trench war way that i'd much rather just dig my heels in and go out and slap a bitch for the sake of it tbh ;D

seriously though i've listened to this new mixtape a few times and (regardless of ty's pervasive great ear for hooks) flipflopped somewhat between getting really into it and finding it a bit much all at once whilst still being unsure if i'd want the rough edges sanded off. his steez on the previous tape really didnt grab - and discovering the capability for affectation makes the following more unpleasant - so i have to conclude there is a frisson at play albeit an ugly one; five years ago he mightve been t-pain but now he's the weeknd and it works idk

otoh tbrr the "good heart!" "bastard!" margins are so laughably fine though that it's probably better off not listening to music altogether than wasting the time handwringing

- how did zvookster ever listen to any hip-hop before this?
- it's the second "HOOOOOOEEEEES" that pushes it over the top - like you have the first sudden passionate one cutting through the ~party smoke~ and then the second descending one is like "no i REALLY mean it"
- i initially envisaged a situation where ty$ has stockpiled all these hoooooooeees in his cabana and is feeling pretty smug about life and then he suddenly looks around and they are all talking to each other and none of them are looking at him - it has this sudden solitude about it
- kellz comparison otm
- great song

on the tape the kells vocal similarity is often uncanny

i feel like i need to obsess about this as a standalone song for a bit more before i go in on the tape

at the risk of risible fixating i also love the way he finishes up with the la di da di da da, trailing off back into the cabana smoke whistling a thoughtful tune because that is indeed the only real response to the existential meaninglessness of hooooooooooes

mad ill-advised i know but the thought occurs this would be a good one to throw in to the discussion on the frank ocean thread before it got shit again about observation and engagement etc (ctrl-f longneck)

Ha, interesting. I'd say that there are certainly similarities but also great differences, of course. Frank's detachment is always very cerebral, it's a strategy that will allow him to be personal while also playing the role of the casual observer. But Ty$ is all the more engaging for not signaling intelligence or knowingness. When he howls his mournful HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES it's as if he's an animal contemplating mortality for the first time ever. If that sounds condescending, I apologize, cause it's certainly not meant to be. Just trying to get to the bottom of the drama, which somehow hinges on the relatively trivial nature of the subject matter and the detachment of the performance. It really is one of the most genuinely dramatic and weird songs I've heard in a long time.

When he howls his mournful HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES it's as if he's an animal contemplating mortality for the first time ever.

Dude.....um

the rest of the tape makes all this icy existential shit you guys are reading into HOOOOES pretty stupid imo

Longneck, that doesn't sound condescending it sounds straight up racist

I just thought it sounded mournful I didn't really think it was real

the rest of the tape makes all this icy existential shit you guys are reading into HOOOOES pretty stupid imo

― goole, Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:24 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think this is a fine delineation but i dont think anyone is arguing that ty$ is non-misogynist or that hes actually a good person or that this stuff isn't patently offensive at a surface level, more that the song seems to function in a way that gives off this effect of existential angst -- in other words, the drama of it is a direct result of his musical choices...we're not reading something into it that isnt there

the rest of the tape makes all this icy existential shit you guys are reading into HOOOOES pretty stupid imo

this one song in isolation makes all the icy existential shit you guys* are reading into HOOOOOOES pretty stupid imo

*not you, goole

*sigh* It was totally not meant to be racist. That's what the disclaimer was for. It was meant to say something about how the melancholy intensity of the hoooooooooes is so overwhelming because it is placed in a song about how many women you can fit in a cabana. It's just too strong for the song to contain it in any reasonable way. That's where the "animal contemplating mortality" simile came from, and not, for crying out loud, because black rappers remind me of animals. It is obviously very artfully done, but the song itself comes across as more forceful the less cerebral Ty$' persona is presented as being. That's kinda the point of the video, no? It's also very RiFF RaFF-y, since we're obviously watching a performance but don't really get enough information to actually know just where the performance ends, you know? That's what's exhilirating about it. Not that RiFF RaFF has ever made anything as engaging as this, but that's the general principle of it.

it's such a contrast to the thoughtful musings of "I hate bitches wearing fake nails" and "Asian hoes like to drink sake"

no one is arguing this song isnt layers of ignorance guys.

or that b/c we think hes going thru an existential crisis that makes it 'ok' or w/e

we're just trying to explain why this song is 100x more engaging than 100 other misogynist songs

never really bought the 'this misogyny works because they make it seem fun' / 'this misogyny doesnt work because they make it seem creepy' thing. the fact that the weeknd or whoever makes misogyny seem as creepy as it is is one of his strengths imo, but thats a different debate

itt a bunch of rap nerds are no longer 16

all rap nerds are 16 at heart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IH8tNQAzSs

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